Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread [See new thread]

[AuGuR]

Rather than a vs. discussion, I'd rather want to understand why FD decided on a 3-mode system that affects the same universe and why a player chooses the mode they do. This is actually what the thread comprises, no?

It's rather simple, actually:

Solo for those that don't want to be bothered by others and play the game solely for their enjoyment.
Group for those that wish to play with their friends, be it friendly pvp or "uncontested" system flipping.
Open for those that like the idea and/or the possibility of pvp, give that extra danger in "dangerous"

All 3 give you the semi-hero complex in which you can marginally affect the universe. (Which should actually make you realize that you are not the hero of the story.)

FD chose to cater to each of these types of players and I'm glad they did.

 

[Bigcheese]

Given all of your dislikes, you still bought this game. Why?

Well it does some things right, multiplayer just isn't one of them.

 

[T@F]

To play in open mode with my buddies and hunt down whiners and read about their crying about being killed on the forums. Why else?

Then you're playing the wrong game.

 

[DAYLEET]

Open Players says: Solo/group player should be in their solo/group universe.

Solo Players replies: We don't wan't to be forced to pvp.



It's like that discussion in Rambo 2 where the speech goes


Army cmdr "it's a recon mission only"

Trautman: "Rambo is the finest killing machine youll ever see"

Army cmdr "Only picture must be taken, we cant afford troubles"

Trautman: "Hell is Rambo home because he is such a bloodthirsty demon"

"great, mission starts at zero hours"


You can't help but want to grab your hair and scream something at the tv/monitor. If anyone was listening to each others maybe this thread would not have lasted so long.

 

[tagos]

Then you're playing the wrong game.

There's a lot to be said to not just randomly purchasing games and hoping you can use the forums to badger the designers into making it into something you want to play.

i learned that trying to get tanks and flamethrowers implemented in Football Manager 2013.

 

[Caboose187]

Then you're playing the wrong game.

How am I playing the wrong game? They allow us to attack whoever we want and we get penalized for it in the form of gaining bounties. Try again. And that's just one of the ways we can play the game. I still trade, I still hunt pirates and I still run missions.

 

[Faded Glory]

The ignorance still shines through this thread by the local natives of 1984. You all throw around the excuse "PvP Jerks" while blindly disregarding the actual issue of solo still being in the same universe as open and still effecting the outcome and changes in that universe. Every mode should be it's own separate entity and with it not shows that FD lacks the funds to implement a proper server structure system. Solo should not be able to access private group and open mode, private group should not be able to access solo and open and open should not be able to access private or solo. So it doesn't just effect you "solo" players.

I trade, I pirate, I run missions and it's all for nothing when the outcome won't change due to the fact that there are other players in either solo or group working against me and I cannot prevent them from doing so due to the fact that I cannot contact them. The server system sucks, plain and simple.

Just asking respectfully, how do you know it's all for nothing? Does your reputation not change? What exactly is 'your' outcome? Bear in mind, some of those solo players might actually be aiding you, albeit without realising it.

Anyway, and off your topic, I've just been out trying to trade in open, and I saw precisely two live CMDRs in about 4 hours. And I sucked at trading, only managing to find a system who exported gold for more money than the systems importing it wanted to pay. I think all those people posting about their 1 million credits an hour run are just trying to get me to rage quit.

 

[Caboose187]

There's a lot to be said to not just randomly purchasing games and hoping you can use the forums to badger the designers into making it into something you want to play.

i learned that trying to get tanks and flamethrowers implemented in Football Manager 2013.

Oh but you guys can whine and cry about it all day by blaming PvP'ers ruining your open mode experience eh? But it's ok for you to ruin open modes experience by trading in the comfort of your own safe zone all the while effecting the outcome of systems against the open mode players? No one wants to remove solo play, just give it it's own universe separate from open because at the end of the day you solo guys will still only play solo mode.

 

[Uueerdo]

I've never attacked a player unprovoked ...

I don't think I said or implied it was your, or anyone else's, intentional or style to go around attacking at random; it certainly was not my intention. But when you make remarks about someone using "your" trade route and having no recourse other than to try to out trade them, did you mean something other than "because I can't shoot them if they're in solo."

Also, no idea why you pretend open play is nothing but pirate pvp but you're wrong about that too.

I make no pretense at all to what open play is or is not.

See what happens when you assume too much?

T@F might be making presumptions about the motives of anti-Solo players, but are there any pro-separation arguments that my summary does not cover?

 

[MrChipper]

Solo for those that don't want to be bothered by others and play the game solely for their enjoyment.
Group for those that wish to play with their friends, be it friendly pvp or "uncontested" system flipping.
Open for those that like the idea and/or the possibility of pvp, give that extra danger in "dangerous"

As an almost total newbie to this (apart from BBC ModelB, Speccy and Amiga) and I'm glad that these options are around. I'm finding my feet, flying all over, learning to trade and fight. While I did start in open I i found I had trouble docking in the starting areas so decided to go solo as it sorts that for me. However, I'd prefer to be among real people. I don't have any friends playing (yet) but once I'm happy with my knowledge of how this thing works again i'll happily drop into open and take the consequences.

Loving it so far....

 

[Uueerdo]

CSeriously, though. Who is pretending that Open is noting but PvP Pirates?

The person I was responding too and many others in this thread.

No, no I wasn't, see above.

 

[DarkWalker]

Now that doesn't make sense. If I understand correctly, a "griefer" is somebody who does something nasty to people in PvP in some way, am I right? Granted, I wouldn't want to be called a carebear, but there's no reason bullies shouldn't get talked down to some.

In the strictest sense, a griefer is someone that derives enjoyment from causing grief to others. Just doing nasty things in PvP is not necessarily griefing.

BTW, actual griefers are not welcome in most multiplayer games, and DB made quite clear that Elite is no exception. No mechanism to deal with griefers yet, though, with is a flaw.

The ban on the word is because people tend to misuse it to belittle and insult others with a different point of view, just like "carebear".

 

[Jockey79]

Exactly. They are missing the point entirely.



So much for "play your way", am I right?

Sadly yes, this is just a space trucking sim and with the current setup that's all it can ever be.

Missing what point? Exactly?

We play the game, the way it was designed, the way it was intended and the way it works - that is the point.

If you don't like it, fine - you're entitled to have an opinion on it and we now know yours. Doesn't make it right or wrong, but as it is a personal opinion, doesn't mean the game is wrong either.
They are trying something, that is not even new - Guild Wars 1 had instancing (and was popular enough to make a 2nd one), all of Cryptic Studios games have it (which is still going strong), Red 5 have it with Firefall - so instancing does work and is liked, your opinion is trumped by sales figures and relative success for those mentioned and others doing it.

Will it work here, time will tell.

300k sales to start - leaning towards yes, in my opinion

 

[rj16066]

Open/Solo Play for Trading

Will you make more credits in Open Play Trading than in Solo Play?

Curious???

Thanks
RJ

 

[DarkWalker]

To play in open mode with my buddies and hunt down whiners and read about their crying about being killed on the forums. Why else?

So you are whining because you can't hunt down whiners?

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

Oh but you guys can whine and cry about it all day by blaming PvP'ers ruining your open mode experience eh? But it's ok for you to ruin open modes experience by trading in the comfort of your own safe zone all the while effecting the outcome of systems against the open mode players? No one wants to remove solo play, just give it it's own universe separate from open because at the end of the day you solo guys will still only play solo mode.

Many "solo players" jump between modes as the mood strikes. Just because someone prefers to not interact with other players when not feeling particularly talkative does not mean that player won't want company at other times.

 

[Lestenio]

No you will make the same

 

[Caboose187]

So you are whining because you can't hunt down whiners?

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

Uh how was I whining exactly? I got asked a stupid question and replied with a snarky answer.

 

[Uueerdo]

Sadly yes, this is just a space trucking sim and with the current setup that's all it can ever be.

See, it's statements like these (completely disregarding missions, exploration, bounty hunting and/or pirating NPC pilots) that give the impression you are the type of player who doesn't want to shoot anything but other players. Don't jump to any conclusions and claim that I am claiming you are that kind of player; I am just pointing out statements like the one I quoted give that impression.

 

[Driver]

I'm looking for an older post where Sandro Sammarco talks about griefing. He says something about griefing being built into the game. I've tried searching but cant find it. Does anyone have a link?


I found it!

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Uh how was I whining exactly? I got asked a stupid question and replied with a snarky answer.

I ask that question a lot, you're one of the few who answered. Snarky or not, it seemed to be pretty honest.

 

[Jockey79]

See, it's statements like these (completely disregarding missions, exploration, bounty hunting and/or pirating NPC pilots) that give the impression you are the type of player who doesn't want to shoot anything but other players. Don't jump to any conclusions and claim that I am claiming you are that kind of player; I am just pointing out statements like the one I quoted give that impression.

The game is what we imagine it to be - some people have better imaginations than others sadly.

The stories I've told, the things I have done - the narrative in my mind for what I am doing has made my time in game amazing by far, better than anyone at FD could write to entertain me (all voiced by Stephen Fry of course )