The Star Citizen Thread V2.0

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Jack Booted Thug

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psyron said:
Yes, CIG and their PR department really act opportunistically.
It seems they are in for the short-term money&hype, not thinking about how those decisions may affect SC in the longterm.
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A PR department would be negligent if it did not act opportunistically. The purpose of Public Relations is to nurture an opportunistic environment that can be utilised to promote a service, product or idealogy. With CIG they are in the gaming business whereby developers sell games.

What on earth is wrong with that? The CIG PR department looks to be well worth their weight in gold as their efforts keep bringing in the money.

I honestly don't see CIG as dishonest as the word "hype" implies. They all seem genuinely passionate and to genuinely believe in what they are producing.

Hype is usually something associated with exaggerated claims and dishonesty. I think most of the hype in relation to Star Citizen has been produced by the community and what CIG do in response is remain vague so as to keep their options open.

I know when I was selling LTI ships that people were paying a pretty good premium on the LTI even though CIG was stating over and over that LTI was not a big deal. Thus I took advantage of the hype, a hype which was birthed in the hopeful minds of the fans, not birthed by CIG.
 

Tiggo

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Jack Booted Thug said:
The decision I have to make is do I use a mouse or joystick.

I use a mouse in Elite but maybe I'll use a joystick in Star Citizen.

The racing sounds like fun. Maybe it will be a glorified HD version of Wipeout from back in the day.

I have my M50 and 350r ready to go. :)
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actually you should do it the other way around ^^
 

Mr.Nowak

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Nice article.

The Stars His Destination: Chris Roberts from Origin to Star Citizen

That's pretty glowing. But Star Citizen could still fail-and I had to know, what would Roberts do if the game tanked? He explains this isn't a concern-it isn't something he thinks about and he stubbornly persists to make it everything it can be, to make it the game he has in his head.

But, after a short pause, Roberts does consider failure: "The risk of failure is the public support ends before I can get it to the point where everyone thinks it's great," he tells me, "I'd rather not think about it though. It's like asking what happens if you walk out the door tomorrow and get hit by a bus.

"It would suck."
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Source: http://www.usgamer.net/articles/chris-roberts-star-citizen-profile
 

psyron

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Jack Booted Thug said:
A PR department would be negligent if it did not act opportunistically. The purpose of Public Relations is to nurture an opportunistic environment that can be utilised to promote a service, product or idealogy. With CIG they are in the gaming business whereby developers sell games.

What on earth is wrong with that?
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And that's exactly why i prefer FD!
They have a clear idea of how ED should feel from the beginning. And they will stay focused on this idea and they will not suddenly come with a "space racing module". ;)

But hey, fine for you SC fans that you like CIG's opportunistic stategy ... and keep waiting for the PU a very very very long time ...
 

Jack Booted Thug

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psyron said:
And that's exactly why i prefer FD!
They have a clear idea of how ED should feel from the beginning. And they will stay focused on this idea and they will not suddenly come with a "space racing module". ;)

But hey, fine for you SC fans that you like CIG's opportunistic stategy ... and keep waiting for the PU a very very very long time ...
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What is with the "Us vs Them" attitude?

I prefer Elite: Dangerous too, both their approach and the actual game.

Yet I am genuinely impressed by CIG's marketing strategy. It doesn't mean I would want FD to take the same approach. I see two different approaches for two different games and I don't view them within a framework of having to reject one in order to admire the other.

SC didn't suddenly just come with a racing module. Racing ships were being sold by CIG long ago and racing ships imply a racing mechanic was to be developed. I mean isn't that obvious?

I really don't understand the hostility you have towards Star Citizen. I think well reasoned criticism is a good thing and even an adverse view of something is fine, we all have different tastes, but to strain out gnats over every little thing in comment after comment appears to demonstrate something a lot more personal. If Star Citizen bothers you so much why not just step away from it? Or perhaps you're an anti-SC crusader or something?
 

ianw

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4 hours to go. My lovely 30mb/s slowed down to 700 kb/s.


Perhaps I should make a post at RSI requesting people to hang off downloading until I am done. What are my chances?
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The huge patch just finished for me at about 1 -2 MB/s- now the 2nd to last patch is reporting a solid 50MB/s - must be coming off different servers..
 

MPC

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Took me about 1.5-2 hours with my 50/50 line. We got a new problem though, many people (like myself) are experiencing Login Failure when starting the game due to the login servers being overloaded xD

Too many trying to update at the same time I guess!
 

psyron

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Jack Booted Thug said:
What is with the "Us vs Them" attitude?

I prefer Elite: Dangerous too, both their approach and the actual game.

Yet I am genuinely impressed by CIG's marketing strategy. It doesn't mean I would want FD to take the same approach. I see two different approaches for two different games and I don't view them within a framework of having to reject one in order to admire the other.

SC didn't suddenly just come with a racing module. Racing ships were being sold by CIG long ago and racing ships imply a racing mechanic was to be developed. I mean isn't that obvious?

I really don't understand the hostility you have towards Star Citizen. I think well reasoned criticism is a good thing and even an adverse view of something is fine, we all have different tastes, but to strain out gnats over every little thing in comment after comment appears to demonstrate something a lot more personal. If Star Citizen bothers you so much why not just step away from it? Or perhaps you're an anti-SC crusader or something?
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It's just, you know, i have gone through the last 30 years with Elite ...
Elite was amazing, but most people don't got it because they only looked at graphics and didn't appreciate the stonish 3D gaphics and gameplay of Elite.

Then came WingCommander ... i played it too, but i never was so impressed by it as others, since i preferred the accurate 3D gaphics over the jerky bitmap-ships of WC. Already then i had that feeling that the developers of WC are somehow cheating.

And now comes ED and SC! It's like the final competition of this long fight between two philosophies:
- DB being very honest about everything which reflects in the current state of developement of ED
- CR being a bit a beguiler trying to get the most hype out of the weakest developement.

Elite is the father of all space simulation and it's a shame that DB doesn't get the attention he deserves compared to CR. But i guess this is like in real life where the loudest one always steals the show.

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DB was the reason why i studied computer science - he really is the godfather of 3D space simulation!
 
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Ian Phillips

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Both series of games have survived the test of time, which speaks of quality.

Differences are surely to be welcomed - would get very boring if all the games were the same wouldn't it?
 

ykza5

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psyron said:
It's just, you know, i have gone through the last 30 years with Elite ...
Elite was amazing, but most people don't got it because they only looked at graphics and didn't appreciate the stonish 3D gaphics and gameplay of Elite.

Then came WingCommander ... i played it too, but i never was so impressed by it as others, since i preferred the accurate 3D gaphics over the jerky bitmap-ships of WC. Already then i had that feeling that the developers of WC are somehow cheating.

And now comes ED and SC! It's like the final competition of this long fight between two philosophies:
- DB being very honest about everything which reflects in the current state of developement of ED
- CR being a bit a beguiler trying to get the most hype out of the weakest developement.

Elite is the father of all space simulation and it's a shame that DB doesn't get the attention he deserves compared to CR. But i guess this is like in real life where the loudest one always steals the show.
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To me all has to do with marketing. Elite didn't have the same ammount of marketing as SC. Hell I didn't even know about elite if it wasn't for some posts on the SC forum. So to anyone that wasn't a fan or didn't play the original elite games, this game was none existing, whereas if you type anything related to space sim on google the first thing you get is a pic of CR and the CIG website (a bit exaggerated but you get my point)
So if ED is not more recognized is because they wanted it that way.

Edit: Also from the very beginning SC teased us with what today's games are lacking the most and that is graphics. That really attracted me to the proyect in the first place, the promise of uber graphics that only a powerful rig will be able to run
 
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ykza5

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Getting login failed error since like an hour ago. Diablo 3 launch anyone?

Will try tomorrow when "new patch fever" is over
 

Jenner

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Ian Phillips said:
Both series of games have survived the test of time, which speaks of quality.

Differences are surely to be welcomed - would get very boring if all the games were the same wouldn't it?
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Indeed so.

I think I said the same a long time ago on this forum when the whole ED vs SC thing came up:

I'll play Elite when I want to explore a galaxy and bask in the grandeur of infinite space. It's a universe in a box! What's not to love about that?

I'll play Star Citizen when I want to be Luke Skywalker in an epic space adventure (SQ 42).

It's macro vs micro in a way. I appreciate both approaches.
 
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