In other words, Chris Roberts had less than 2 brain cells, following your logic.
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In other words, Chris Roberts had less than 2 brain cells, following your logic.
You seem very angry and confuse. Basically demonstrated in this comment that does not understand or pretend to or refuse to understand what people say or complain about here.
Roberts wasn't required to create several studios, geographically far of each other. It's not like it is required.l to make a game. More like a well-know bad practice instead, specially for a startup.
Well I'd disagree there. He obviously knows how to appeal to his market, and he can be very charismatic, and he genuinely did come up with some fun games back in the 90's. He was, at least, very earnest in reinvigorating a genre that had essentially died out - and his efforts do rightfully deserve recognition. Whilst I find many of his actions laughable, I don't believe he is out to deliberately deceive people - he is a self-admitted dreamer and perfectionist who simply wants what other people may not be able to deliver. His "vision" will remain self-contained because it's simply not possible for him to articulate it to a degree that other people can visualise the same and help in it's development. That is not the fault of the developers, and it's not even Genuine Robert's fault - it's simply one of his defining characteristics.
What really feeds my goat Brussels sprouts though - are the claims that Genuine Roberts invented X - even when X had been in existence for years or decades prior. That's mainly the fault of the Google / Wikipedia generation though.
It's a well known practice to move money out of the country, which makes it smell like a scam again.
The original game was supposed to be made in Austin. Now that studio is as good as closed.
I'm not qualified to make any sense of their company statements in the UK - I wonder if Mr Yaffle would be kind enough to offer an opinion.
I think was just in reference to the assertions
Assertion 1) Anyone with at least 2 brain cells should know that if you increase the scope of a game, the development time will increase proportionally.
Assertion 2) Statement by Chris Robert that the strech goals will not delay devlopment, as it was more money, more staff to have a more content and a deeper experience at launch
Leading to the conclusion posited by jcrg99 if both are true.
The catch is Chris has both said that the Strech Goals will not delay the release as, as well as increasing the scope will increase development time [Ars Technica interview], and that not all strech goals will in the launch release as early as 10 for the Chairman 10 Feb 2014
So it is which message have the fans been listening to?
So getting back on the subject of SC! The corvette looks huge, and it has a very large set of doors top side. Almost looks like quite a few snub fighters could fit, or maybe two normal sized fighters?
But did anyone notice the shielding system? Three different power generators, Front, Center, and Rear. Also the heat exhaust thingies...I smell a massive refactoring for the rest of the ships so they too can hid their exhaust.
But did anyone notice the shielding system? Three different power generators, Front, Center, and Rear. Also the heat exhaust thingies...I smell a massive refactoring for the rest of the ships so they too can hid their exhaust.
Dear time traveling dude,
no one has used this word for 100 years. Drop it off you want to fit in.
Cheers, time local
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Is that a docking bay at the bottom? Are there any shops that can beer docked with yet? Interested in how it will work with multi crew.
Where do the sliding doors on the top slide out to?
It's been five years? What a surprise!
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Can I get some LTI on those?
Bit of random musing: if the Mvp launches with 1 to 5 systems at what point will it be lore appropriate to have alien ships? Won't the BMM seem really incongruous if the limit of the game is a very small sector of human space?
You must be mistaking me for someone else. I've always made these distinctions.
But we are all only seeing part of the story. We have seen practically nothing of SQ42 development which is, I'd assume, a major part of CIG's output.
CIG aren't translucent... And you, as a backer, don't you want to see where your money is going?
Yeah, CIG aren't legally required to publish full accounts, but wouldn't you think it would be good for backers to know that CIG are budgeting by getting a top level approximation? Your pre-order money has disappeared into an opaque hole.
Your loss.
Because they are doing it on pre-order money. They, if they were being open, owe it to the backers to tell them this. CR specifically said that more scope = same delivery time, which was an impossible promise.
I have not said that there's a conspiracy. But, with no oversight there is space for waste and/or sharp practise to happen.
Briguy, quick question - are you a natural English speaker? I have a feeling that some of my nuances (ok, overly flowery writing) are missing you.
I honestly think that their buisness model of expensive ship sale after expensive ship sale leaves a bad taste for me. So, that's subjective for sure.
Objective: We already know that money has been wasted due to mismanagement (Illfonic/Star Marine, for example)
Objective: CR micromanages creative which leads to costly re-dos (Kotaku interview, plus I work in a creative industry and know how bad this is)
Objective: CR is not a good executive (Digital Anvil/booted from Freelancer, Ascendant/sued by Kevin Costner, CIG/you do NOT chew out subordinates in public/my-way-or-highway/nepotism)
Objective: CR has, in interview I linked to, admitted that scope is still changing dependent on monthly sales at this point in process
Objective: No-one outside a few people at CIG know how the backer money is being used
Objective: Huge amount of core game functionality missing
Objective: Large number of missed deadlines
... etc.
He knows nothing on how to appeal to his market. He has been just burning his market since day one. He probably lost more fans of his old games than earned new. The reason that he still gets money hardly have to do with his charisma. More to do with people under depression putting their last hope in Star Citizen or living in denial, desperate to make something they believed would be a revolution to the game industry and space genre to work. Just like people deeply involved on ponzi schemes (or multi-level marketing) trying to save it throwing away even more money when the bubble effect happens and the piramid starts to fall.
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I've just been reading through the Polaris threads in https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen , and I find the whole reasoning of some people, the justification for putting down more than 700 Dollars for some JPEGs and GIFs of something that might never actually be real, deeply disturbing.
When asked about that, a lot of these "ship" collectors say "Yeah well, we're not actually buying these ships, we're investing in the continued development of the project. The ships themselves don't really matter to us". That would all be perfectly fine if you have the money, except it doesn't reflect the thought process behind buying these concept ships. Among themselves, in their own forums, these guys spend hours debating what "role" these "ships" will have in their "organisation", if the shields will be strong enough, every last detail in the concept pictures is discussed. They dream about gameplay with these ships that isn't even in the concept stage. They dream about "deep space, long range combat corvettes", when the first star system of the game isn't even half complete. In their minds, in the belief system that is Star Citizen, they really are buying ships, with capabilities and gameplay that doesn't exist anywhere except in their imagination.
In the past, I had some experiences with members of Scientology, and the thought processes behind investing in these dreams seem very similar to me. So I think the term "cult" is really appropriate, at least for some members of their community.
When asked about that, a lot of these "ship" collectors say "Yeah well, we're not actually buying these ships, we're investing in the continued development of the project. The ships themselves don't really matter to us". That would all be perfectly fine if you have the money, except it doesn't reflect the thought process behind buying these concept ships. Among themselves, in their own forums, these guys spend hours debating what "role" these "ships" will have in their "organisation", if the shields will be strong enough, every last detail in the concept pictures is discussed. They dream about gameplay with these ships that isn't even in the concept stage. They dream about "deep space, long range combat corvettes", when the first star system of the game isn't even half complete. In their minds, in the belief system that is Star Citizen, they really are buying ships, with capabilities and gameplay that doesn't exist anywhere except in their imagination.
In the past, I had some experiences with members of Scientology, and the thought processes behind investing in these dreams seem very similar to me. So I think the term "cult" is really appropriate, at least for some members of their community.
No. They don't. They did not deliver the crowdfunded game and they did not accomplish with a clause where they promised to do that (worst than that, they made the clause to disappear). The idea of continuous, never ending development, so as the idea that the community asked for it are both silly and would be laughed by any more than two brain cells judge, when presented the details that demonstrates how these alleagations are incredibly silly and demonstrate how deceptive.they can be. Would backfire against RSI for sure.
Of course, they won't open their books unless a court order comes, but that does not mean that "RSI have the right to do not open it". They had the right. They don't have anymore, as any project crowdfunded who fails to deliver as promissed/advertised wouldn't have too. And again, don't be silly like the usual fans are. It is easy to demonstrate that RSI can keep the excuse for years, just for the sake of never beem required to deliver and making money from a few whales, while letting the others perplexed by their lack of commitment and how clowns and disrespectful with consumers they can be.
An analogy would be if you are living in a house that you lost the right to live because did not pay for it. You can keep living there until the court order/cops come to kick you out. But stating that you are "in your right to live there" would be wrong statement. No. You lost your right and is still there just because nobody came, yet, to kick you out.
In the moment that any person decides to go further, RSI will have to open their books. They are just refusing to do what, actually, at this point, they are obligated to do.
The only court of law that wouldn't require that from RSI is the one that exist in the system number 99 of the SC universe (which probably never will be built, by the way).
Second hand quote from https://www.reddit.com/r/Starcitize...i_are_still_testing_25x_flight_model_changes/ :
Oh wow, just found something, this is nice:
THIS is a Polaris concept picture for Star Citizen, which is now for sale for more than 700$:
And THIS is a Garencieres-Class space freighter from the Gundam anime universe:
(http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Garencieres)
THIS is a Polaris concept picture for Star Citizen, which is now for sale for more than 700$:
And THIS is a Garencieres-Class space freighter from the Gundam anime universe:
(http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Garencieres)
I don't get it either. By the time these ships are flyable the game will have been out for quite some time during which they could save UEC and buy it that way. Do they really need to contribute more money to a project that already has a staggering $125 million?
According to Roberts a $125 million development budget was meant to be comparable to a publishers gross budget of $500 million or more. If they can't produce the game they want with that figure then something is seriously wrong.
I recently saw Louis Theroux's new scientology film and the parallels between those people's behaviour and some of these people's behaviour was quite surprising. Defintely cultish aspects.
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