The Star Citizen Thread v5

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FuriousMeow

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There isn't even one system done right now. The whole PG thing is to make the process to create a star system, multiples, quicker. Hand place some custom bases, voila - a basic star system or two that you can iterate on but use that as your basic test on the clients to make sure the dang things work right rather than building out 5 with all kinds of custom placed bases and mountains and dune.. sand worms then find out it runs like a turd on even the best of systems so now it has to be refactored! I just can't see them getting even one star system done even by mid next year.

Star Citizen : Space needs to be refactored
 

Prince Thrakkath

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FuriousMeow said:
I doubt the Czech move is real, that would cost more money just to move resources there than they would save. Assuming they are closing out an office, moving equipment, and other costs that come with closing/moving offices.

As far as SC - I finally heard back about my refund request. Standard "please play, check out our videos, look at our demos!" which I responded that I've seen everything and would like a refund.

The problem is their demos are custom built to show progress that isn't progress, it's just another tech demo... at best proof of concept. That's not something we should be seeing at this stage of development.

There are two major hurdles or blockers to this whole game - one being the engine itself, they really needed to do their own custom engine so they knew the ins and outs of it as even the CryTek people they hired don't understand the whole thing since it has been a constantly built/improved engine since CryEngine 1 back in early 2000s and the second huge hurdle/blocker is Chris Roberts himself as he's pulling the same stunts he did with Freelancer.
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Often backers cite Far Cry/Assassins Creed as large open world games and using Cryengine(mnodded), what they ignore is that only 2% of the Dunia engine is still Cryengine code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunia_Engine . So for 'Star Engine' to be customized enough to do what CIG want in theory it would need to be modded another 48%.
 

FuriousMeow

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Prince Thrakkath said:
Often backers cite Far Cry/Assassins Creed as large open world games and using Cryengine(mnodded), what they ignore is that only 2% of the Dunia engine is still Cryengine code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunia_Engine . So for 'Star Engine' to be customized enough to do what CIG want in theory it would need to be modded another 48%.
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Yep, and at that point its a new engine so "just do it" as CR was so fond of repeating an outdated year old meme... maybe he was saying something to everyone? He's outdated and out of touch?
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
K-Rose said:
As someone who knows nothing about Star Citizen, is it worth buying into this game?

Reading through the last couple of pages it looks like a recent event was disappointing and there may be some controversy about it moving from the US to Europe?

Is there actually a game? Or is this 1494 pages of talking about how there's no game?
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You've already had pretty comprehensive replies to this but there's one thing I'd like to add, they rewrote their terms of service so that if you buy in now they don't have to deliver anything and they get to keep your money.

In terms of red flags this one's 300 feet tall it's on fire and it gives off noxious fumes.
 

gazzareth

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Stigbob said:
You've already had pretty comprehensive replies to this but there's one thing I'd like to add, they rewrote their terms of service so that if you buy in now they don't have to deliver anything and they get to keep your money.

In terms of red flags this one's 300 feet tall it's on fire and it gives off noxious fumes.
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I can imagine a horde of lawyers looking at that and rubbing their hands together with glee praying for SC to fail !!

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Dooguk

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Been thinking.
Maybe the SC backers don't want it to be released. As it is now, in their hive mind, it is the greatest game ever. They imagine themselves doing all the things Roberts has promised, and it is good. They all imagine together, in one huge space opera, where each plays their part. Some don't have very vivid imaginations, so they have to buy pictures of things to aid them. A spaceship for instance.
Now travel to the far future when the game is actually released. Oh the disappointment when it turns out to be nothing like the fantasy that has been playing out in their hive mind for all those years. When the realisation kicks in, that is when Chris Roberts should be very worried.
 
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Stigbob

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gazzareth said:
I can imagine a horde of lawyers looking at that and rubbing their hands together with glee praying for SC to fail !!

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Yep.

The real "take home" fact you can glean from the TOS changes is how much confidence CiG/RSI have in their own ability to deliver their own product.
 

FuriousMeow

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@21:15 in the RtV SpecialEd they are actually going to have mission givers as a single point for everyone to go to and receive missions from... at least they say they are... and they have no idea how to prevent them from becoming a bottle neck. They never should have gone with mission givers as people you actually sit down and talk to, that isn't going to work with even two people going to the same NPC to get a mission in the same "virtual world." Not to mention all of the recorded audio and how samey it will be to visit the same NPC time and again for missions.

Just another one of those things that no doubt Chris said "we have to have face to face NPC mission givers for everyone in Star Citizen because <waves hands> ah err ahmm fidelity!"

Mission boards or something of that nature are so much better for multiplayer, and maybe if there has to be some "interaction" do it on the Mobi glass or some pop-up display that way there aren't 20 players standing around waiting for a NPC to become available or having 20 replicas of the same NPC talking to 20 players or 20 players all sitting on each others laps in front of a single NPC or etc.
 

McGlashan

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Dooguk said:
Been thinking.
Maybe the SC backers don't want it to be released. As it is now, in their hive mind, it is the greatest game ever. They imagine themselves doing all the things Roberts has promised, and it is good. They all imagine together, in one huge space opera, where each plays their part. Some don't have very vivid imaginations, so they have to buy pictures of things to aid them. A spaceship for instance.
Now travel to the far future when the game is actually released. Oh the disappointment when it turns out to be nothing like the fantasy that has been playing out in their hive mind for all those years. When the realisation kicks in, that is when Chris Roberts should be very worried.
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That's also why CIG don't want it to be released.
 

AJW

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gazzareth said:
I can imagine a horde of lawyers looking at that and rubbing their hands together with glee praying for SC to fail !!

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Not really. If they fail there won't be any money left for the lawyers to go after. The real issue with the new terms of service is that they make it a darned sight harder to get a refund while CIG are still functioning. Or they would if they weren't so blatantly one-sided that courts would almost certainly rule them as contrary to consumer rights legislation. Either way, they are in of themselves quite sufficient reason not to hand over any money, given what they indicate about their attitude to their customers.
 

darkoff

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Backer42 said:
They are already fully funded and don't need further money to finish the game. Just wait until it's done.
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about that ...

[quote="SomethingJones" ]
Bensday with Batgirl and Ben episode 63
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUc8pA6AUR8#t=1229s
@ 20:30


Ben Lenslock, Developer
The idea of selling ships is never the most ideal situation, in a perfect world we would make ships and give them to everybody and that would be the entire THING, but, we ABSOLUTELY NEED to bring in money to fund the game, so we do things like POLARIS pre-sale, or the PACKS were you get a DISCOUNT... we try to at least give you the tools so you can melt your ships and move things around and... get what you want... but ah... yeah
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Whipley

Whipley
K-Rose said:
As someone who knows nothing about Star Citizen, is it worth buying into this game?

Reading through the last couple of pages it looks like a recent event was disappointing and there may be some controversy about it moving from the US to Europe?

Is there actually a game? Or is this 1494 pages of talking about how there's no game?
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Wait until they offer a free trial, which happens every once in a while. Then you can jump in and check it out.

Obviously this game is controversial: on the official forums you have people so starry eyed in wonder that they spend thousands of dollars on concept ships, while on forums like this one you find people who think Roberts is the devil and is leading some sort of long con. I think most of us who are waiting for the game are in the middle. We're happy to poke our heads in and play the alpha for a few hours here and there, waiting out the glacial pace of development. So, yeah, try it for free. I would recommend not spending any money on it just yet as what is playable isn't very big and is very buggy. (But quite beautiful)
 

lysan

lysan
K-Rose said:
As someone who knows nothing about Star Citizen, is it worth buying into this game?

Reading through the last couple of pages it looks like a recent event was disappointing and there may be some controversy about it moving from the US to Europe?

Is there actually a game? Or is this 1494 pages of talking about how there's no game?
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Buy it when they release it, before then stay as far away as possible, as you probably will lose your money pretty fast.

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Stigbob said:
You've already had pretty comprehensive replies to this but there's one thing I'd like to add, they rewrote their terms of service so that if you buy in now they don't have to deliver anything and they get to keep your money.

In terms of red flags this one's 300 feet tall it's on fire and it gives off noxious fumes.
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I can't rep you, but MAN this is so right, I will just add and their is a band playing I'm on fire just under it!!!
 

FuriousMeow

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Looks like I'm in for a refund. Now I'll just go back to waiting and seeing, hopefully they do churn something decent out and I'll buy it if it is worth it. All of the "rewards" I was in for still don't exist, so aside from a cheaper package/ship - if something comes out - I probably just lost out on a cheap buy in but I'm quite sure that SC will have monthly associated costs for everyone including backers to "keep the servers on."
 

[VR] Mad Mike

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FuriousMeow said:
- I probably just lost out on a cheap buy in but I'm quite sure that SC will have monthly associated costs for everyone including backers to "keep the servers on."
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if it does i will be after a refund too...... i backed Elite on KSer for exactly the reason i backed SC (or 1 major reason anyway) no monthly fees.

hell i did not even expect some AAA huge holywood actor magnum opus anyway. the money they have got after 3 months was more than enough to build the game they pitched and then some. Privateer 3 would have been just fine and dandy, everything else is just icing

so should CIG/RSI come with begging bowel out demanding monthly subs, i am out. Personally however i do not think they will.

On the bright side.... after supporting it from day 1 I backed out and got a refund on pCARs because I felt they moved the goal posts and shafted the backers.
it turns out, after a rocky start i was wrong, and, despite some less than pleasant people at the top, ultimately they made a damn fine game worthy of what they pitched from day 1, with buckets of content, AND backers got their money back in game profits on top.

so, if pCARS can get it right with laser scanning and licencing costs etc, i see no reason why Star Citizen wont esp given CIG have a lot more money.
 
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Backer42

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darkoff said:
about that ...
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His boss Chris Roberts said at $65m that the game is fully funded and will be finished even with no further money rolling in. Even if that means, that Ben is losing his job, because he gets replaced by Czech developers.
 
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