The Star Citizen Thread v5

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I think, no he is not winner in any scenario, because now his legacy is on the line if SC fails he will be remembered as biggest failure in gaming industry...nobody will even remember his old games after this possible FAIL..
Also banks will go after him if he has some loans as DS states...
and also do not forget possible other lawsuits (a lot angry of backers)

What I imagine is that he'll take his legacy of having raised hundreds of millions of dollars back to Hollywood, to people who have no interest in or knowledge of video games, and try and use it to resuscitate his movie career. I wouldn't be surprised if that was his intention all along; it's clear from the countless hours at Imaginarium and the endless reshoots that it's all he really cares about. The particulars of how badly he managed the project will not matter at all to those people.

ETA: Also, I expect the labyrinth of shell companies will take care of his personal liability when it comes to lawsuits.
 
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Interesting points but.....

We dont know if he took bank loans. Its speculations but no official info exists.
He ll certainly get sued but isnt he protected by TOS and MVP? The required task would be to prove malicious intent and I dont see that happening (DS claims he has info available that would make a successfull lawsuit possible but at the moment thats only words)
His legacy.....well. CR never was a GRAND man in the past. He was lucky with Wing Commander and further investigation discovered the string of failures in the past (sequels, movies). Obviously his past success wasnt enough to keep him at the top (claims of him being "rich" before SC have no proof or at least I didnt find any). If you personally have to decide between fame and a full belly / money....what would YOU opt for? AFAIAC he used what little fame he had and used it to create a balloon of hot air and was busy for the last few years to keep the thing full but its near breaking (popping?) point now and if not for the backers it would ve sunk a long time ago. Its people willingly giving up money for nothing in return which keeps this thing running. I mean theres NOTHING that could be sold or have a chance on the market right now. Cults operate and survive the same way....by keeping the sheep happy and hyped for the ultimate goal.


It doesnt really matter to be Honest.
If this ends up in Failure. And on top Ends up with his Family having Earned a Fortune in it. You can assume they are out of Business after this.
Nobody will Hire them. Nobody will Trust them. Because they are an Bad Image for any Company Hiring them and regardless of Criminal Convictions will be considered as Criminals by the Customers of any Company that dares getting them some Contract.

His Name will go down in History as that of an Incompetent and or Fraud.
His Money gained out of this is not enough to keep Personnel Body Guards around him 24 Hours for the next 10 Years either. Meaning that in worst case due to Angry Fans he might Risk his own and the Life of his Family by this.



Thats the Problem with such things.
Just Robbing the Bank and Carrying the Money out of the Bank doesnt make you the Winner.
You have to Escape the Police, And get yourself as well as the Money out of the Country without being Identified and or being Followed.
And even Years later you have to be Careful cause someone might still be on your Trail.



He got 140 Million Raised for his Game.
Given the Insane amount of Employees and the Technology, Machinery and Software they bought.
You can assume that he is Spending Money on this Game like Crazy.


Lets say he gets 1 Million himself and they get Half a Million each.
So 2 Million a Year.
Given his Life Style that might not be off. But thats the thing. Roughly Half of that Money is likely already gone.

So lets say they still got 7-8 Million.
Thats not enough to Life in Luxury for his Life.
Much less if he has to Fear for his Life and has to Hire Bodyguards etc to keep away Pesky Journalists and People Protesting against him and demanding back their Money.
Not even talking about Fans which might not be above attempting to take their Money back by Force or take Revenge on him :)


Thats going to be a Sad Life he Won there ;)
 
Anyway we are sitting at 140 million $ (another number we have no way of checking, same as the status of SQ42, could as well be 80) and seeing how so many many backers sit on a disposable income of 4digits or often enough 5digits amounts I took the freedom to calculate an average backer amount of 2500$ and came out at 56.000 people. Now you can play with that number as 1 15.000$ backer (how many people have the completionist package?) countering X backers with less then 2.5K. A Horde of 56.000 whales seems to be rather unrealistic tho so stretch that number a lil in order to reduce the average making it more probable and I end up at 120.000 backers who have money invested. That number seems to be much more in relation to the forum activity on RSI while explaining their ability to review-bomb / downvote critiques and sceptics into oblivation (just work with 30% off that number and you still end up with a crapton of people). This would also explain an average of 14 accounts per backer, a tad hard to swallow but we can reduce that number by all the interested neutrals using the free fly weekends to make (one-off) accounts (because how many do you think continue after sampling that mess?)

So what do you think? 120.000 backers versus 1.700.000? which one is more believable or are both as ridiculous?

Personally, I think the number is a bit higher than 120K. Most people probably just bought the cheapest package. At least that's what I think.
Someone once reported that number of backers is actually ~500K, which gives an average of $280 spent per backer.
Your 120K backers gives an average of $1167 spent per backer. Now it's only a matter of finding the more logical middle :D

As for the rest of your post, what else to say except...

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Given the Insane amount of Employees and the Technology, Machinery and Software they bought.
You can assume that he is Spending Money on this Game like Crazy.

No doubt about it, I m just saying he surely has taken a bit of the cake already, I know thats the first thing I would do to secure myself.

Thats not enough to Life in Luxury for his Life.
Much less if he has to Fear for his Life and has to Hire Bodyguards etc to keep away Pesky Journalists and People Protesting against him and demanding back their Money.
Not even talking about Fans which might not be above attempting to take their Money back by Force or take Revenge on him

You paint a sad picture there but I agree with you on those points. Still it would mean hes richer by millions, thats more then honest working people can say and have to make do with in order to keep living.


I m surprised and happy to see you delving into this (theoretical) scenario so willingly. It shows you are aware of possebilities but made a conscious choice without being ignorant to other realities. I respect that :)
 
My favourite episode (hardly a commendation since it's also the only one I've bothered to watch) was the one where they "solved" the problem of weapon attachments disappearing after respawns. Only, they never actually tracked down what was causing the problem, and instead brute-forced an additional refresh to get them to appear again. For me that really explained a lot about why the engine continues to be such a dog.

I watched a few, and every time I was wondering if it treated me like an idiot or they're really working like that: in an inflatable boat putting fingers in holes as they appear.
 
Personally, I think the number is a bit higher than 120K. Most people probably just bought the cheapest package. At least that's what I think.
Someone once reported that number of backers is actually ~500K, which gives an average of $280 spent per backer.
Your 120K backers gives an average of $1167 spent per backer. Now it's only a matter of finding the more logical middle :D

As for the rest of your post, what else to say except...


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Definitely more than 120,000.
Back in July 16 they announced 500,000 paying customers, that was out of 1.4 million forum accounts. So 35.7% conversion rate which would put the current number around 607,000

If 2/3rds only have a $45 base package then the remaining 200,000 account for almost $600 each.
 
But that 500.000 information comes from the very same source as the current 1.7 million backers. That 35.7% conversion rate is based on information which is about as trustworthy as the current one (not at all)

Yep 120.000 is extreme I m just saying not impossible. I do believe that many backers who started out with the min packages have by now invested more. If the individual total averages ~1200$ is an unknown but not impossible. I just dont believe that there are half a million people, real people who are into this project. Maybe the truth would surprise us both ^^
 
But that 500.000 information comes from the very same source as the current 1.7 million backers. That 35.7% conversion rate is based on information which is about as trustworthy as the current one (not at all)

Perhaps but that announcement was definitely a PR cockup which makes me feel it's more genuine. Until that announcement they had been very cagey about the meaning of Fleet Members etc.

Yep 120.000 is extreme I m just saying not impossible. I do believe that many backers who started out with the min packages have by now invested more. If the individual total averages ~1200$ is an unknown but not impossible. I just dont believe that there are half a million people, real people who are into this project. Maybe the truth would surprise us both ^^

Elite had almost 500,000 backers before the game launched so it wouldn't surprise me if SC had similar. They also have a wider market appeal and they seem to get considerably more publication inches.
 
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But that 500.000 information comes from the very same source as the current 1.7 million backers. That 35.7% conversion rate is based on information which is about as trustworthy as the current one (not at all)

Yep 120.000 is extreme I m just saying not impossible. I do believe that many backers who started out with the min packages have by now invested more. If the individual total averages ~1200$ is an unknown but not impossible. I just dont believe that there are half a million people, real people who are into this project. Maybe the truth would surprise us both ^^

I guess we will never know. Not sure they ever need to disclose that information.
 
Definitely more than 120,000.
Back in July 16 they announced 500,000 paying customers, that was out of 1.4 million forum accounts. So 35.7% conversion rate which would put the current number around 607,000

If 2/3rds only have a $45 base package then the remaining 200,000 account for almost $600 each.

Sounds like the closest we're going to guesstimate.
Of course, they could give us the real figures, but I guess "open development" earns it quote marks here.

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I watched a few, and every time I was wondering if it treated me like an idiot or they're really working like that: in an inflatable boat putting fingers in holes as they appear.

My favourite episode (hardly a commendation since it's also the only one I've bothered to watch) was the one where they "solved" the problem of weapon attachments disappearing after respawns. Only, they never actually tracked down what was causing the problem, and instead brute-forced an additional refresh to get them to appear again. For me that really explained a lot about why the engine continues to be such a dog.

Wake me up when they fix people falling through the floor
 
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He ll certainly get sued but isnt he protected by TOS and MVP? The required task would be to prove malicious intent and I dont see that happening (DS claims he has info available that would make a successfull lawsuit possible but at the moment thats only words)

Do not forget that a lot of people invested thousands of $ in this dream project and some maybe even ruined their personal lives (money problems, divorces etc) by doing that...
So if SC burns, they can blame CR for all this...and thats really dangerous territory for CR...some crazy can look for him in person...

About TOS as i understand now they changed TOS so that they do not need to deliver anything, but old backers probably can sue him, but I am not a layer, so why knows...

And reading this, some people are probably totaly addicted to SC and are buying like crazy:
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/366477/i-cant-stop-buying-ships
 
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Do not forget that a lot of people invested thousands of $ in this dream project and some maybe even ruined their personal lives (money problems, divorces etc) by doing that...
So if SC burns, they can blame CR for all this...and thats really dangerous territory for CR...some crazy can look for him in person...

About TOS as i understand now they changed TOS so that they do not need to deliver anything, but old backers probably can sue him, but I am not a layer, so why knows...

If you are crazy enough enough to stick thousands into SC, you are crazy enough to like the result. If CIG deliver a bug-ridden pile of horse manure, the ones most invested will proclaim it manna and eat it down.
And I'm pretty sure there will be a game at the end of this, albeit a pants one.
 
If you are crazy enough enough to stick thousands into SC, you are crazy enough to like the result.

I doubt, about this -> currently people are dreamcrafting (you can read SC forums ;) ) like crazy about gameplay that probably CIG just cannot deliver...when they figure that out, they will turn against CR like crazy...
 
Dear lord....This guy solved ALL NETWORK PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD!!!!

[video=youtube;UieVs5k0abU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UieVs5k0abU[/video]

I mean...c´mon man....sure LY could be a step forward....but some ppl. just shill 2 much.......
 
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I doubt, about this -> currently people are dreamcrafting (you can read SC forums ;) ) like crazy about gameplay that probably CIG just cannot deliver...when they figure that out, they will turn against CR like crazy...

Yeah, but there is delusion at work here. When it turns out to be a steaming pile, the ones most grumpy about it will be the <$100 investers, and (probably) won't be up for a court case as extra expense. The True Believers will still Truly Believe.

History may look back and call me a moron, of course. :) But my Ex used to run a livery yard: I know a steaming pile of horse manure when I see one. [ugh]

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Dear lord....This guy solved the ALL NETWORK PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UieVs5k0abU

I mean...c´mon man....sure LY could be a step forward but some ppl. just shill 2 much.......

Err, No.
 
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