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I see not one line that says if you don't support Star Citizen PC games will die.

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Sometimes paying attention to your surroundings helps. =)

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None of those say without Star Citizen PC gaming is dead.


server build is done, I'll check back in tonight... time to do a code check.


I see you took all of 0 seconds to watch any one of those links mate.

Very honest of you. :)
 
Hmm, someone apparently doesn't understand the concept of "sarcasm" very well.

Something rather common with the above average SC backer it seems....

No, not at all.

I wonder if hes like a firefly. Short-lived but extremely visible (vocal) while hes here. The questions posed about Star Citizen are really very basic in nature. If people start to argue semantics or WORDING that doesnt really help the case but rather implies an attempt at trolling or distraction. We could (and do) state opinions of course but then this thread wouldnt be very active at all because opinions are just that and after a while it becomes boring and people would stop bothering. Instead we are getting supplied with a steady input of hillarity by CiG and SC-hardcores and then we have the occasional SC-defender who tries to shut this thead up but cant offer anything but words to do so. I have to admit that in the history of this thread (being in its 6th iteration now) I have seen some really good orators who were very skilled at wording their responses. But same as politicians (or Chris Roberts :D)....you may not be able to nail them to a single statement them being so slippery and all.....doesnt change in what kind of a state Star Citizen is at the moment.

And that state speaks VOLUMES to be honest.

Its really simple. We discuss what Star Citizen has to offer. Thats it really. No malicious intent or conspiracy or hate going on at all. Just discussing whats actually THERE. Now true....most videos listed here show the comical and or frustrating nature of Star Citizen but thats not the threads fault. Everybody can link anything as long as its connected to SC. Its kinda telling that the "positive" videos are so few in number and while we had a lot of claims for it to being "fun" in the past we sadly didnt get any links to support those claims. Often enough the provided link have nothing to do with the discussion at. I remember someone trying to actively deceit the rest of the posters by linking screenshots and consciously LYING about its content. When questions become to uncomfortable the focus suddenly switches to spelling or grammatical meanings or hypothetical intention.

Its this wiggling which provides a lot of entertainment in this thread and also explains the live-span of many SC-defenders opting to participate.

I speak only for myself when I admit that pretty much everything CiG releases these days looks shady to me and the first thing I do is think back about promises (oh sorry, CR doesnt do those) and facts and trying to find a chink in the armor which frankly is all too easy. I am open to change and if CiG somehow proves me wrong and in the end releases a wonder-game then I ll be sure to "convert" to a believer.....not before tho. And honestly.....dragging me into a fight or verbally attacking me as a "hater" "goon" or anything else simply because I have a different opinion doesnt help the case and is the sole reason for the SC community to be know as toxic.

I mean....I dont get it about you folks (I guess you know who I m talking about). Whats your goal when you post in this thread. Whats the agenda? Whats in it for you?

- bring facts to the table
- level out the inbalance between pro and con sides
- spread the greatness of SC
- shut up the FUD spreaders

....then better be prepared to bring proof as well because you will need more then mere words to make a dent

- poke the haters
- make fun of the goons
- stand like a wall in the sea of hate (aka playing the crusader)

You are at best trolling.

Now dont answer if you dont want to. This is just a reminder, maybe whoever reads this will think about it for a second and realizes something.


Theres really no need to become aggravated or hostile just because some people are asking you direct questions about simple stuff. If you need to start wiggling or argue different topics or bring DS into this then it should tell you something because believe me.....everybody else realizes what these things really mean

P.S. I would like to underline that this post is not a call-out or directed at anybody in particular. It will probably tickle some people but thats on them really. I just wanted to add this bit before somebody accuses me of "directly mentioning them" :D
 

Viajero

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I see not one line that says if you don't support Star Citizen PC games will die. None of those say without Star Citizen PC gaming is dead.

They do, but you need to be willing to step out of literality (i.e. "will die", "is dead"). Try instead to go beyond that and see how Chris Roberts sold the idea of being the leader in a conflict that, as you rightly point out, never existed in the first place.

"We've always been at war with Eastasia."

Extracted from those links:


They said I was dead. They said console was the future. Now they say mobile and tablets are the future. I say to you, the reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated. I am a PC game...

The traditional publishers don't believe in PC or Space Sims. Venture Capitalists only want to back mobile or social gaming start ups. We say they're wrong. We say that there is a large audience of PC gamers that want sophisticated games built for their platform. And inside this audience, a significant group of people that have always loved space games, and if given a quality one again will be happy to play it. Ask not what your genre can do for you, but what you can do for your favorite genre. Let's put high-end PC gaming and Space Sims back on the map!

“I’m off” – Chris Roberts on the decline of PC-pushing games

There’s probably a bunch of PC gamers who are off about the fact they’re getting hand me downs from consoles that are less powerful... ... The bet on Star Citizen was there’s... ... a community of PC gamers who feel like no one is making games for them and those were the twin pillars we launched the campaign on...

There is a lot of noise out there regarding social and mobile games right now, and I think PC gamers are feeling a little left out of the mix... ... I want PC gamers to stand up, be counted and get excited again about all the great experiences their computer can deliver

In the games business, the industry is very myopic, it’s all, like, ‘PC’s Dead, consoles are the future, now social games are the future, now mobile is the future’, and now it’s the same with tablets.


Chris Roberts relentlessly sold Star Citizen as a key pillar of an alleged rescue of PC gaming (multiple interviews to the press, gaming media and videos). PC gaming never needed a rescue in the first place (if at all Gabe Newell did that 15 years ago). But pledges were given because of it. CR marketing SC as the forefront and champion of such an non existing struggle can be considered misleading advertising and imho deserves full criticism for it.
 
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Talking of the public schedule tracker thing (mentioned in passing a few pages ago), did they take it down while they start over on the 3.0 schedule? All I can find is this page of recent bug fixes and entirely speculative future milestones with no dates.

I'm excited to see the next promised/hinted/vaguely-hand-waved date that they're definitely going to miss.

Yeah, here is the schedule thing:

https://goo.gl/images/vDA3NH
 
We've probably all noticed a new pattern recently, unverified claims that star citizen contains "fun" and "works". When asked to provide sources these posters instead show pictures of their gaming rigs. This is an obvious and transparent attempt to plant the idea that that gaming satisfaction can only be achieved through spending more money, thus increasing the sale of jpegs.

Chris sold Star Citizen as a key pillar of an alleged rescue of PC gaming. PC gaming never needed a rescue in the first place. But pledges were given because of it. CR marketing SC as the forefront and champion of such an non existing struggle can be considered misleading advertising and deserves full criticism.
This is in fact how he got me: Put my 2013 rig to good use.

Meanwhile things moved on and I lost interest in PC gaming. Circumstances change a lot in five years, Star Citizen also played a role in that.
 
Where is the link on the RSI site for the production schedule?

EDIT. Sorry, McGlashan has already asked.

Presumably all 350+ employees are currently working on the schedule. Otherwise they'd be tracking all the various work in progress and sharing it with us in their ongoing mission to be honest and transparent with backers.
 
Whoa! Quite a few white-knights have shown up out of the blue and are trolling the thread.
I guess they're here because the SC forums are closing down soon...
:D

Hi guys. Haven't been on this thread for a while, but my ignore list just got a lot bigger.
:D
 
Whoa! Quite a few white-knights have shown up out of the blue and are trolling the thread.
I guess they're here because the SC forums are closing down soon...
:D

Hi guys. Haven't been on this thread for a while, but my ignore list just got a lot bigger.
:D

Welcome back. The white knights don't tend to stay very long for some reason. [smile]
 
Exactly my point.

No quantification was given, thus my comments are accurate.

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Finalized does not mean it wasn't started, wasn't developed, wasn't written.

I do work in software. We do major releases of our software approximately once a year. Design documents are NOT complete at the start of the project. We need to know existing bug loads, existing product pipeline, existing customer demands, staffing.

We do a skeleton schedule that gets fleshed in. And it works.

ITIL CSI and all that.

Unfortunately CIG has said absolutely nothing about the 3.0 schedule (apart from the "milestone overview" of 3.0, which is as much a schedule as Gamescom presentation was an accurate image of current development) before 2017, and as CIG is supposedly so open with the development of the game, I take it as an evidence that no 3.0 schedule has existed before March 2017. As for the design documents, the developer responsible for some of them has said he's yet to start writing one of them (the smuggling one) in March this year.
 
Exactly my point.

No quantification was given, thus my comments are accurate.

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Finalized does not mean it wasn't started, wasn't developed, wasn't written.

I do work in software. We do major releases of our software approximately once a year. Design documents are NOT complete at the start of the project. We need to know existing bug loads, existing product pipeline, existing customer demands, staffing.

We do a skeleton schedule that gets fleshed in. And it works.

ITIL CSI and all that.

Yikes. This is why other professions say we aren't really engineers. Ignoring the fact that you implied that while you do use design documents you are already coding before they're done, what we're talking about is far more egregious. 9 months into the year. 3 months left in 2016. The guy in charge says "hopefully" before the end of 2016. The very clear implication is that he thinks there's 3 months or less worth of work to do on 3.0. Given your previous comment I'm scared to ask, but on your software project, if the design docs and planning for major features haven't been done in the last 9 months do you think the software will be completed in the remaining 3?
 
This thread still going huh? Someone wanna give me a quick recap on how its going?

A typical Dialouge exchange will do. I cant bring myself to start from the begining.


Or the middle.


Or the end.


Thanks!
 

dsmart

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Talking of the public schedule tracker thing (mentioned in passing a few pages ago), did they take it down while they start over on the 3.0 schedule? All I can find is this page of recent bug fixes and entirely speculative future milestones with no dates.

I'm excited to see the next promised/hinted/vaguely-hand-waved date that they're definitely going to miss.

They actually have separate pages for each patch release. You have to dig to find them. It's very efficient that way, if you ask me.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15807-Star-Citizen-Alpha-262-Is-LIVE
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link//15743-Star-Citizen-Alpha-261
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link//15653-Star-Citizen-Alpha-260

Yeah, they do remove the previous schedule from that page. That's why only 2.6.3 is being shown there now. Once that's gone, it's probably 2.7 or the all-elusive 3.0 (aka Jesus Patch). Though, if you scroll down, 3.x is already there. Which makes recent statements by Erin Roberts that he's in LA to "finalized the 3.0 schedule", makes it all the more hilarious.

The comedy never ends. One guy put it best

"Sometimes a bunch of modders can turn into a proffessional videogame studio. CIG has now demonstrated that the opposite can also happen"
 
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Well, I am simply stating the experience I had last night, period. IF you have the game (get in for the starter pack at $45) and that is all you need. The KEY to my experience last night was flying other ships which I do not own. For example, I saw a Freelancer adrift outside Covalex after someone destroyed my ship, and I was able to commandeer the Freelancer, and fly myself back to Olisar. I have never been in a Freelancer before, and I was able to enter it, walk around, explore it, check out the various spaces on the ship including seats, and take the helm. Similar with the 300i... I never flew one before, or seen the interior, but last night, I saw one, EVAed to it, entered the ship, and experienced it! THAT is what makes SC quite frankly, the best experience going right now. The icing on the cake was the derelict Starfarers... I have never seen that before, and not only is the wreckage there, but you can EVA and explore both around and INSIDE the wrecks! Very cool!

There is no "fake news" in what I report, I am simply a dude that has the game (Aurora owner only), and fired it up following the v2.6.3 patch released this weekend. I could do a Twitch stream/record to "show" you all, but tonight, would likely not be like last night. Plus, as others noted, u really have to experience it yourself...

This reads like an astroturf advert to me. You push the "you need to experience it yourself, just 45$ and you effectively get access to all the ships" angle pretty hard.
 
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