The Star Citizen Thread v5

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Asp Explorer

Asp Explorer
proKar_garlic said:
Guess everyone missed the class:

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOc7mAdfgUQ
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFmSEaX6sTQ
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7UAuSW8X0o
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjIIVp4vlJ8
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXlvvYVL6Rc

And I could be here all night showing examples, it's like somewhere in the 2016 there is still people that pvp in gaming forums but never actually played any games lol
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My game is to make your diode explode using simple logic.
 

Rolan

Rolan
Zyll Goliath said:
Well It is apha(should be beta long time ago) I honestly don't mind bugs in this stage of the game,but tell me is it any significant changes concernig the game playability?Any fun at all?
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Until they include the mechanics(cargo, trading, escort, mining, the mission system) there should not be much apart from the little quests and the outlaw/bounty hunter part. Even with the pirate base until those mechanics are in game, there is no really much to do, you can kill players or NPCs, try the weapons and clothes, steal a ship... but not much else...


And no, the T-pose and those bugs are not really relevant, the relevant part is the stability of the server and the connection issues. Something so related to the client archives is not relevant, at least for me.
 
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Rolan

Rolan
New patch 2.4.0u
Alpha Patch 2.4.0u has been released to the PTU, and is now available for players to test!It is strongly recommended that players delete their USER folder for the Test client after patching, particularly if you start encountering any odd character graphical issues or crash on loading. The USER folder can be found (in default installations) at C:\Program Files\Cloud Imperium Games\StarCitizen\Test.
The full 2.4.0 Patch Notes are located here. Please take full advantage of our Issue Council area of the Community site to report any bugs you encounter, as well as contribute to other players submissions.
Updates and Fixes
Star Systems:

  • Fixed an issue where ships were spawning in the landing pad at Port Olisar.
  • Added missing Item Manufacturer Logos to the purchase window when buying an item.
  • Fixed an issue where a floor texture in Selfland Hangar would disappear when viewed from a certain distance.
Ships:

  • Fixed an issue where the Mustang Gamma and Omega had the wrong paint color.
  • Fixed an issue an issue where the Mustang Gamma and Delta where red boxes were showing up instead of the proper ship component.
  • Fixed an issue with the ladder being twisted after being deployed from the Mustang Gamma and Delta.
  • Fixed an issue where the cockpit control screen was offset in the Mustang Omega.
  • Fixed an issue where the textures appeared black on the Mustang Omega.
 
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Zyll Goliat

Zyll Goliat
Rolan said:
Until they include the mechanics(cargo, trading, escort, mining, the mission system) there should not be much apart from the little quests and the outlaw/bounty hunter part. Even with the pirate base until those mechanics are in game, there is no really much to do, you can kill players or NPCs, try the weapons and clothes, steal a ship... but not much else...


And no, the T-pose and those bugs are not really relevant, the relevant part is the stability of the server and the connection issues. Something so related to the client archives is not relevant, at least for me.
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Well I be happy for the beginning if I can feel more conected during the simple flight but that part of the game seems just lame as it always was(didn't try yet 2.4 judging by the videos so..).I mean sure bugs are not to big concern for the projects in alpha but what concerns me is that we are 5 years in alpha here and as you said above not even one important mechanism (cargo,trade,escort,mining,...etc)...I rise my concerns about network stability(netcode) and MP overall few years ago but some ppl. try to ensure me how that's going to be solved in a matter of month's here we are 2 years later and looks like there is almost no progress at all in that field....
 
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Rolan

Rolan
Zyll Goliath said:
Well I be happy for the beginning if I can feel more conected during the simple flight but that part of the game seems just lame as it always was(didn't try yet 2.4 judging by the videos so..).I mean sure bugs are not to much concerning for the projects in alpha but what concerns me is that we are 5 years in alpha here and as you said above not even one important mechanism (cargo,trade,escort,mining,...etc)...I rise my concerns about network stability(netcode) and MP overall few years ago but some ppl. try to ensure me how that's going to be solved in a matter of month's here we are 2 years later and looks like there is almost no progress at all in that field....
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Try the new patch when it goes live, maybe you like it(or you can always wait till the next one), about the rest... I agree with you to some extent, I think it is related to the item system and some of the other stuff that is being integrated with this patch... but until next patch... or maybe the next couple of them we shall not see a real progress in terms of mechanics. It's my opinion as a developer but I never did something like that... for now at least. But I hope 2.5 show some light, well they have to, time waits for no one and people will not be there forever(I'm talking about the majority).


As always, just my opinion.
 

Zyll Goliat

Zyll Goliat
Rolan said:
Try the new patch when it goes live, maybe you like it(or you can always wait till the next one), about the rest... I agree with you to some extent, I think it is related to the item system and some of the other stuff that is being integrated with this patch... but until next patch... or maybe the next couple of them we shall not see a real progress in terms of mechanics. It's my opinion as a developer but I never did something like that... for now at least. But I hope 2.5 show some light, well they have to, time waits for no one and people will not be there forever(I'm talking about the majority).


As always, just my opinion.
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Wait 2.4 it's not live yet or it is?
Sure Rolan I respect your opinion and to certain degree I don't even mind all this ppl. who finding fun this kind of FM and GP,what I found strange and unusual is playing it from the 1PV I personally think that this FM will be probably way more fun in 3PV as arcade games should be played(it's a freelancer on steroids),I know and I will agree that SC is not total arcade but still it's just not the game that should force you to play in 1PV feels very wrong in my opinion.You see during the years I learn to respect others ppl. cup of tea,the problem is CR&CIG who promoted this game totally different but I will stop here as I don't want to repeat all of that again&again....
 

Rolan

Rolan
Zyll Goliath said:
Wait 2.4 it's not live yet or it is?
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Not right now but it will be in a few hours supposedly.

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/332402/2-4-0-publish-to-live
Zyll Goliath said:
Sure Rolan I respect your opinion and to certain degree I don't even mind all this ppl. who finding fun this kind of FM and GP,what I found strange and unusual is playing it from the 1PV I personally think that this FM will be probably way more fun in 3PV as arcade games should be played(it's a freelancer on steroids),I know and I will agree that SC is not total arcade but still it's just not the game that should force you to play in 1PV feels very wrong in my opinion.You see during the years I learn to respect others ppl. cup of tea,the problem is CR&CIG who promoted this game totally different but I will stop here as I don't want to repeat all of that again&again....
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I respect your opinion ;), I can't really play, and probably will not be able to play until the end of this summer, so I'm more interested in the mechanics and the economy that in the FM but I understand some people may not like it. It may change so try it from time to time, but I can't give a realistic opinion about the FM until I fly in a recent patch so... I just bring my opinion and some info.
 
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Zyll Goliat

Zyll Goliat
Rolan said:
Not right now but it will be in a few hours supposedly.

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/332402/2-4-0-publish-to-live


I respect your opinion ;), I can't really play, and probably will not be able to play until the end of this summer, so I'm more interested in the mechanics and the economy that in the FM but I understand some people may not like it. It may change so try it from time to time, but I can't give a realistic opinion about the FM until I fly in a recent patch so... I just bring my opinion and some info.
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Ahh Ok thx for the info....well I will give it a shoot as I didn't play since I think 2.1 ver around 6-7 month ago....I doubt that FM will change drastically in the future and honestly I give up from that,my last hope was private servers(if game get's finished)and possibility to play there game from 3PV or with some mods&tweaks in 1Pv but CIG pulled that out 2...so I don't know I can't see 2 much fun even if the game crawl out from all the problems and goes live,especially if they miss to deliver it in the next 1-2 year....
By the way What is the reason why can't you play the SC atm?
 
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darkoff

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Guys they updated TOS
http://pastebin.com/bmgXMxtV

"YOU AGREE, THEREFORE, THAT YOU WILL NEVER ASSERT OR BRING ANY CLAIM OR SUIT AGAINST RSI, ITS PARENT COMPANY, DIVISIONS, SUBSIDIARIES, AFFILIATES, OR ANY EMPLOYEES OF ANY OF ABOVE, WHICH IS RELATED TO OR BASED ON, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO; (I) A CLAIM THAT YOU “OWN” ANY VIRTUAL GOODS IN THE GAME, (II) A CLAIM FOR THE “VALUE” OF VIRTUAL GOODS IF RSI DELETES THEM (AND/OR TERMINATES YOUR ACCOUNT) WITH A REASONABLE CAUSE AT RSI’S SOLE DISCRETION"

"However, you acknowledge and agree that delivery as of such date is not a firm promise and may be extended by RSI since unforeseen events may extend the development and/or production time."

"you agree that any Pledge amounts applied against the Pledge Item Cost and the Game Cost shall be non-refundable regardless of whether or not RSI is able to complete and deliver the Game and/or the pledge items"

"You acknowledge and agree that the Game and the pledge items delivered to you may differ in certain aspects from the description of the Game and those pledge items that was available on the Website at the time of your Pledge."


Seriously what in the world. Is this TOS even legal?

I would advice people holding from updating to 2.4 until they explain this stuff

 
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Zyll Goliat

Zyll Goliat
darkoff said:
Guys they updated TOS
http://pastebin.com/bmgXMxtV

"YOU AGREE, THEREFORE, THAT YOU WILL NEVER ASSERT OR BRING ANY CLAIM OR SUIT AGAINST RSI, ITS PARENT COMPANY, DIVISIONS, SUBSIDIARIES, AFFILIATES, OR ANY EMPLOYEES OF ANY OF ABOVE, WHICH IS RELATED TO OR BASED ON, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO; (I) A CLAIM THAT YOU “OWN” ANY VIRTUAL GOODS IN THE GAME, (II) A CLAIM FOR THE “VALUE” OF VIRTUAL GOODS IF RSI DELETES THEM (AND/OR TERMINATES YOUR ACCOUNT) WITH A REASONABLE CAUSE AT RSI’S SOLE DISCRETION"

"However, you acknowledge and agree that delivery as of such date is not a firm promise and may be extended by RSI since unforeseen events may extend the development and/or production time."

"you agree that any Pledge amounts applied against the Pledge Item Cost and the Game Cost shall be non-refundable regardless of whether or not RSI is able to complete and deliver the Game and/or the pledge items"

"You acknowledge and agree that the Game and the pledge items delivered to you may differ in certain aspects from the description of the Game and those pledge items that was available on the Website at the time of your Pledge."


Seriously what in the world. Is this TOS even legal?

I would advice people holding from updating to 2.4 until they explain this stuff
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Hey thx. for the info....that's seriously looking like desperate move and CIG's conffesion that disaster is comming and they want to insured themself before the train-wreck happens........

Woa so this(below) suppose to mean that even if backers logged in on the our account on the RSI webpage we agree with the new TOS...this is unbelievable&shamefull...
"PLEASE READ THESE TERMS OF SERVICE (“TERMS OF SERVICE”) CAREFULLY. BY CLICKING THE “ACCEPT” BUTTON AT THE END OF THESE TERMS OF SERVICE BELOW, OR BY USING THE WWW.ROBERTSSPACEINDUSTRIES.COM WEBSITE AND RELATED WEBPAGES (THE “WEBSITE”) OR RSI SERVICES OR ANY OF THE CONTENT MADE AVAILABLE VIA THE WEBSITE OR THE GAME LAUNCHER. YOU AGREE THAT THESE TERMS OF SERVICE ARE ENFORCEABLE LIKE ANY WRITTEN CONTRACT SIGNED BY YOU"

Now I am really getting p.ssed with this Clowns....WE THE BACKERS JUST CREATE A F.KING MONSTER....this need to be stopped
Well after all I am not going to try 2.4 or to logg in on the RSI web page....And if this new TOS is getting confirmed I think that all dissatisfied backers should make collective accusation and start lawsuit Vs RSI.......
Honestly as I said before I never want to ask for my money back but this disgraceful behavior what CR&CIG is doing lately must be PUNISHED!!!
 
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Skizomeuh

Skizomeuh
Clawhammer said:
It is one of many ways to equip the ship. There will be a quicker way with this ingame vr menu. Additionally they want to give out the api so you can write your own tool outside the game.
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Haha, API/modding... Yeah right... I don't think it will happen any time soon, even after the release. I assumed it was the lowest priority of the low priority features, but maybe it has changed as it could be useful for CIG to let players finish/fix the game.

Though I have doubts regarding their capabilities to achieve an API that could be versatile enough, yet not balance breaking, and that won't divide the world by 0.
 
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Zetta

Zetta
darkoff said:
Guys they updated TOS
http://pastebin.com/bmgXMxtV

"YOU AGREE, THEREFORE, THAT YOU WILL NEVER ASSERT OR BRING ANY CLAIM OR SUIT AGAINST RSI, ITS PARENT COMPANY, DIVISIONS, SUBSIDIARIES, AFFILIATES, OR ANY EMPLOYEES OF ANY OF ABOVE, WHICH IS RELATED TO OR BASED ON, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO; (I) A CLAIM THAT YOU “OWN” ANY VIRTUAL GOODS IN THE GAME, (II) A CLAIM FOR THE “VALUE” OF VIRTUAL GOODS IF RSI DELETES THEM (AND/OR TERMINATES YOUR ACCOUNT) WITH A REASONABLE CAUSE AT RSI’S SOLE DISCRETION"

"However, you acknowledge and agree that delivery as of such date is not a firm promise and may be extended by RSI since unforeseen events may extend the development and/or production time."

"you agree that any Pledge amounts applied against the Pledge Item Cost and the Game Cost shall be non-refundable regardless of whether or not RSI is able to complete and deliver the Game and/or the pledge items"

"You acknowledge and agree that the Game and the pledge items delivered to you may differ in certain aspects from the description of the Game and those pledge items that was available on the Website at the time of your Pledge."


Seriously what in the world. Is this TOS even legal?

I would advice people holding from updating to 2.4 until they explain this stuff
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Shirely, that ain't never gonna fly!?
Hypothetical situation, you download 2.4 - agree to the T&Cs - you're impressed by what's available and decide to buy a $150 spaceship - let's say that due to website load you get billed for 10 instead of just the 1 - you contact support, they refuse to refund you - your bank are equally useless - according to the T&Cs you are now prohibited from seeking recompense in a court of law. LOL like hell...

Also, if your previous T&Cs describe purchases as 'payments' then I'd be surprised if they could retroactively be renamed to 'pledges'. Couldn't the existence of the word in previous T&Cs also be used as proof that CIG do/did consider them as payments?
Kickstarter, Gofundme, ie crowdfunding platforms take pledges, it's not something you get in a virtual shop and 'buy now' must refer to the sale of an item, not the pledging towards an item.

I hate the twisting in all of this nonsense. Customers are not pledging, customers are buying on the back of Roberts' pledge (his word) that he will deliver the items you are handing money over for. The giving and the receiving of money is the entering of a contract (the customer has already fulfilled their side of it), the other party has to uphold their end of the contract or you're legally entitled to seek recompense despite anything their T&Cs might say.

If you enter a contract then there must be a reasonable expectation for date of delivery, even if that date is given as 10 years. People would not enter contracts with no end date, that's beyond reasonable expectations. So I would argue that their delay clause is null and void. You can't just take money and then say we'll do it when we can and even then it might be delayed :D
 
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Zyll Goliat

Zyll Goliat
Zetta said:
Shirely, that ain't never gonna fly!?
Hypothetical situation, you download 2.4 - agree to the T&Cs - you're impressed by what's available and decide to buy a $150 spaceship - let's say that due to website load you get billed for 10 instead of just the 1 - you contact support, they refuse to refund you - your bank are equally useless - according to the T&Cs you are now prohibited to seek recompense in a court of law. LOL like hell...

Also, if your previous T&Cs describe purchases as 'payments' then I'd be surprised if they could retroactively be renamed to 'pledges'. Couldn't the existence of the word in previous T&Cs also be used as proof that CIG do/did consider them as payments?
Kickstarters, gofundme, ie crowdfunding platforms take pledges, it's not something you get in a virtual shop and 'buy now' must refer to the sale of an item, not the pledging towards an item.

I hate the twisting in all of this nonsense. Customers are not pledging, customers are buying on the back of Roberts' pledge (his word) that he will deliver the items you are handing money over for. The giving and the receiving of money is the entering of a contract (the customer has already fulfilled their side of it), the other party has to uphold their end of the contract or you're legally allowed to seek recompense despite anything their T&Cs might say.
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This is completely madness.....I can't even read it all......It's almost like Roberts making sure that if we singed this TOS he can sue us instead...dear lord this man is lost his marbles....
 

Tuub t Tute

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Blimey O'Riley! Or as a certain Nemesis would say if he was quoting Dave Chappelle "Game, Blouses..."
This really does blow the whole thing wide open. It puts all the art-gate stuff into proper perspective...
 

CTCParadox

CTCParadox
darkoff said:
"you agree that any Pledge amounts applied against the Pledge Item Cost and the Game Cost shall be non-refundable regardless of whether or not RSI is able to complete and deliver the Game and/or the pledge items"
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Given the trouble Valve got into in Australia regarding their refund policy I suspect this wouldn't fly downunder.

CMDR CTCParadox
 
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