Yup! It's beyond obvious that in retrospect anything could have been managed better; so what is the purpose of stating the obvious?
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Yup! It's beyond obvious that in retrospect anything could have been managed better; so what is the purpose of stating the obvious?
I have no idea about any of that but the only company beholden to those laws are Foundry42 UK and/or DE. CIG/RSI, the parent company, don't have to comply with those laws sorry to burst your bubbles
Yes, and Foundry 42 are NOT complying with these laws (and probably up for some fines). Foundry 42 are part of CIG - so no bubbles burst here.
I said nothing about lateness.
Thank you. This is the first time I've chatted with a SC fan who sees this. You may think it's obvious but there are many who deny the obvious.
The point is, that if this game had been managed better we could have this game by now and so much money and time wouldn't have been wasted. That's why some of us are a trifle peeved.
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So you weren't responding to/about these:
So you are going to pull UK/EU laws that only govern entities within said jurisdiction.....wonderful logic there
Umm... CIG has a studio in the UK and they have to comply with UK law. Last I heard they've failed to register this years financial statement.
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I was responding to the post I quoted.
No sane person would demand undeniable proof before becoming suspicious. We're not in a court of law, we're just a bunch of people noticing very fishy stuff happening. Noone is proving a claim, we're just pointing out that SC is starting to smell funny. You may argue you like the smell, but its still weird to some others. Including me.
You are the one crying about scam, not me.
What I think is that at the end of 2014 they had over 100 - closer to 200 than 100 - employees. Teams with 20 have done more in 6 months than they have in 22 months. There is definite evidence of doctored demos and previews intentionally designed to "show progress" that isn't actually progress because it was a very custom designed environment solely for showing things that may at some point could possibly happen but probably not just give us more money and maybe something will happen.
He got $124 million, if they need more to get even No Man's Sky level of playability with only 5 star systems - then yes, gross negligence topped with intentional misleading and misrepresentation is the absolute minimum going on there.
Remember, at $60 million they had enough to create the game. The fact sales are ongoing for non-existent ships that will not exist for several years but they keep selling them constantly is very obvious that they are in financial trouble. They would stop selling, create the ships they promised, then later on - like next year if they have enough to keep afloat till then - do another round if they really need to. Instead, it's a constant stream which is so obviously the desperate attempts to shake the wallets of people because they don't have the financial backings they claim to. Monthly millions of dollars incoming does not make a game or make it faster, it keeps a company just above water.
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But you're making a stink about something that you cannot control or change. Do you honestly think you can oust CR out of his own company that has no board or is a publicly traded company? I mean what is the endgame here; what is the purpose?
I don't know, what is your purpose, exactly? Please enlighten us...
I complain about the government in the UK on internet forums. I complain about corrupt companies, corruption in the EU, needless bureaucracy and useless red tape. I can't control or change them but I do it to vent my frustration and get my voice heard.
Why should Star Citizen get a free pass?
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I was addressing your point "that any of their employees would keep quiet about a scam".
You're saying that just because smoke isn't literally pouring out of the building we have to assume everything is fine. I'm saying that is nonsense, and provided Theranos as an example of why that's the case. Based on their performance the chances that this is a scam is low but definitely not zero (and it's not diminishing at all).
There are plenty of warning signs that this project is chronically mismanaged, not least the perpetually shifting release
In fact, screw all that. They were selling a single seat ship as a two seater for months... there's your scam right there.
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No the point is that the "conspiracy theorist" in the past years pointed towards mismanagment BEFORE the Kotaku interview...its funny how people forget that. "Stupid conspiracy theorist! What do you know you are mentally ill" but oh weh the theorist was right! Everybody just ignores the fact and all are about "noone saw that coming!!So what?! Its good for the game!"
It shows how hard it is to get to people acknowledge fishy stuff when it gets pointed to them. But how easy it is for them to forget that someone told them that there was something fishy in the first place.
THAT should make you think a bit...
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If the Star Citizen backers wouldnt just wink everything away, that mismanagment could have been avoided and a ton of money could have been saved if they had hold Chris Roberts accountable for those stuff.
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Did I specifically call you out that you labeled this game as a scam.....no. I said that if you believe it's a scam, I know it's hard to keep up but do try.
Or it could be that they just want to secure funding so that they don't have to worry about running out of money. Just because they choose to keep on selling ships doesn't mean that's indicative of them being in financial trouble. That my internet friend is called projecting your opinion and touting it as fact, which is where my primary beef lives. But why do I even bother trying to respond to you because you don't want to listen to reason or any reasonable explanation because you have it in your head that CIG is acting all nefarious and want so much for it to be true to vindicate this very weird obsession.
I gave my SC account away well before the Kotahu.UK interview. It's been obvious that SC was going to take far longer than promised for a long time.
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But it also doesn't mean that they're NOT in financial trouble. They won't release their finances so either situation is possible.
If their financials were fine, releasing the data would squash a lot of rumours (and be a courtesy to backers who have paid for this game).
My purpose is to have a conversation about Star Citizen and it's development without all the unsubstantiated crap; you know an OBJECTIVE discussion. Nothing more and nothing less but I know this will never happen because this is the internet and some think that their opinion matters on an internet forum.
I still have it but i am still angry to see where the money has gone down the toilett. How people are still defending his doings and not asking questions, nod everything away like it doesnt matter.
Its just SHOCKING to see that many things said over the years about SC seem to be completly correct.
The entire Star Marine thing and discussion...completly true in the end.
The high cost for actors/mocap ect also complelty true...and if the numbers are right half of the money did go completly into that stuff.
The whole jokingly refractoring is completly true too
The whole stuff about how CR is a perfectionist and his team has to do stuff over and over again never getting forward. Or are done and have it to do it again because of CR moodchange.
But SC-Defenders completly ignore it, labeling it as opinions...or hatespeech, FUD and what ever. Any MAJOR damn thing is completly true to one degree or another.
Ah end sorry Marak if what i wrote before seem to be pointed at you it was more of a general thing...
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