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Why would the same things stick around if the random events differ. If because of different acidity bacteria that wiped first life on earth produced methane or ammonia or sulfur dioxide instead of oxygen, there would be no dinosaurs, no humans, no huge plant life. Hell, for half of earth's life there were no multi-cellular lifeforms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothetical_types_of_biochemistry

Then it would not be earth like, would it. ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_analog
 
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Then it would not be earth like now, as in now, would it. ;)


Would it be earthlike before comet killed of dinosaurs? Was it earthlike without oxygen event? It was. The top of the foodchain bacteria changed environment to an oxygen based, still earthlike. If it was methane producing bacteria it would still be, yet life would find another way
 
Depends on what you mean by radically different, they would still function in much the same way. Yes they would look different but you would still see them as plants. No one has said they would be identical.

And your Spanish dude story has what to do with the topic?

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lol, i never said mutations were not random, what is not random is if the mutations stick around.

And that has what to do with the topic? Who cares about random events wiping things out. Funny how no one said all life would be the same as here. So ya, your post is naive.

Ah, I thought you werd arguing that the outcome of evolutionaire is deterministische, the Spanish spaceman was to illustratie hoe Different things would be. But yes, on a different level the general principles would indeed be the same. :)
 
What would you like alien trees to look like? What would alien trees look like?

I have absolutely no idea - but surely there is someone far more imaginative and artistically inclined than me who can come up with some believable (or unbelievable) concept of light fixating organisms that may use something other than magnesium for energy capture :)
 
What would you like alien trees to look like? What would alien trees look like?


Like this
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or this
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or the atmosphere was so toxic there would be no surface life and only sandworms would deliver spice-stools that look kinda like trees
 
I will disagree. If you have good, clever PG system, you can scale up and down as much as you want. I have seen Horizons planets look like      comparing to best screenshots but hey, people can actually play it at reasonable frame rate.

They can also up requirements for Season 3. Remember, they did for Horizons. Although to be fair I don't think they will. I expect CPU requirements stay there, graphics cards might be required a bit beefy for optimal performance.

They already up the requirement by stating Season 3 will requir 64 bit and directx 11 graphic card will be minimum requirement.
 
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They already up the requirement by stating Season 3 will requir 64 bit and directx 11 graphic card.

The DX11 is upping the requirement, but 64bit not really. I can't imagine anyone still has a 32 bit CPU that expects to be able to keep playing games, and any system purchased in the past 7 years would at least have Windows 7 - if not Windows XP 64bit.
 
We were talking about life, you mentioned earth like (in the sense of earth analog, from your source: (also referred to as a Twin Earth, Earth Twin, or Earth-like planet, though this latter term may refer to any terrestrial planet)) in the last post or so, moving goal posts? enough OT

I was talking about earth like, and even said that. You started talking about life. I have on multiple occasions tried to tell you otherwise but you ignored it. No moving goal posts, you have just been off topic, and I have tried to steer you back with not much success.
 
That's a point - can anyone check if Orlando is alright? I'm a bit concerned he's not here telling everyone how many millions more they're raising each hour

I wanted to check on his CitCon predictions post...but I couldn't find it. I did notice though, he last posted on this thread on the 30th. Anyway, I'm thinking even he was a bit off on what would be shown.

Perhaps those internet champion contracts are done monthly. :p
 
I was talking about earth like, and even said that. You started talking about life. I have on multiple occasions tried to tell you otherwise but you ignored it. No moving goal posts, you have just been off topic, and I have tried to steer you back with not much success.

Yeah, after life you mentioned planet being like earth:
I would say because life likes to evolve in much the same way, sure there would be some differences but plants on our planet adapted that way because of the environment. Another earth like planet would have similar environmental factors as ours and as such the plants would develop in a similar way.
If you meant by that 'earth analog where cyanobacteria already holocausted all other life through oxygen generation', sorry, misunderstood you. Still not guarantee to get same evolution. If there was no comet killing dinosaurs you would probably be using fangs to write that
 
If you make, lets say a small settlement, and give the npcs a day rhythm, like in the witcher. They get up at 6 and go to bed at 21:00
Then you will see it as the settlement got a life, on top of that you need a weather system and some wild life.

Looking at game like the witcher and even DayZ and other games where you have NPCS doing their thing and including whildlife you could get a system that was interresting enough to explore and then you got something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx6nw0JMkRs

Not really what I was getting at. NPCs having time-dependent patterns is relatively straight forward.

It's getting it to scale to full planetary via procgen (for thousands of planets) and running in realtime in a way that adds value to a game, that's Frontier's task. No Man's Sky is an example of how it can be seen to go wrong.

We don't have any idea how CIG are looking to solve it either.
 
Pretty interesting discussion on evolution here...nice!

I love taking thought experiments in this realm.

For example, intelligence/success on Earth is shaped by a volatile and ever-changing climate. The species that have survived the longest or have covered more the planet surface are creatures most capable of adaptation to environments. Us humans, have achieved what we believe to be the apex of intelligence/success on Earth. Though our abilities of abstraction we are able to make predictions and prepare accordingly. A few animals exhibit glimmers of this but no animal has quite gone as far to make even the short-term predictions humans can make.

Now, what if we are looking at a stable planet. Has existed just as long as Earth and has very similar conditions and composition except for volatility. Let's say that tectonic activity is either dead or very mild, orbit around its star is un-perturbed by an excess of other objects, the planet is well protected from impact either from a helpful planet nearby or the system was just clear of many objects and the star is an unremarkable but incredibly consistent (temperature) and long lived dwarf star.

Without that occasional kick in the pants, does life on this planet ever evolve beyond bacteria? How much of evolution is driven by pure competition between hunters and the grazers and how much of it is from being better at surviving a changing world. I think it is tough to think along this path because we are children of that volatile and violent world. Our entire perspective and understanding of the universe is completely shaped by those facts. Anyway, in my fantasy scenario above, I'd predict it would be dominated by mega-fauna (dinosaurs). The competition race just amps up over the billions of years and hunters and grazers just get bigger and bigger with no catastrophic changes that invalidate that path.
 
Ouch. Are they really punishing their own backers who express concern that what was promised to them may not be actually delivered?

Maybe because the message the higher-profile gaming sites have taken away from CitizenCon seems to be "Squadron 42 delayed (oh, and sandworms)", so it's damage limitation time.
 
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