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The Star Citizen Thread v5
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OMG the comments there... The lulzbuckets!
Did you just mansplain to me what "yk" means?
But it's a relevant comparison. It's a game with ridiculously large guns, soldiers, killing, and very big robots. And the same incorrect criticisms have been leveled at it.
So you have time to make an accusation of Star Citizen to be sexist, but you don't have the time to write more than the allegation itself?
SC is slated to have female avatars, last I checked. So if you want to be a woman in a space world, you can be. Your stats will be the same as any other characters'. I don't know what could be more gender-equal.
If SC would have a sewing and knitting simulation built in (Chris, if you're reading this: NO!), I suspect you'd say that this was sexist because it reinforces female stereotypes. If the roles you can play as a female are ones that are traditionally done by males, you say there's not a lot of diversity. BTW SC reportedly will get drink mixing and flight attendant gameplay. How is that a "stereotypically male role"?
It's like casting Tilda Swinton for the Ancient One in Dr. Strange: If they'd cast an old chinese guy like in the comics, people would say it's a racial stereotype. If they cast a white female actor, it's decried as whitewashing.
Have we been playing the same game?
No, most players know they're playing a video game and they enjoy it as such. Granted, some SC fans are bordering on the religious side there, but my point stands.
If it's such a fundamental problem you have with that game, one that by your own admission extends to pretty much all action/space games, then why are you on this forum?
Or could it be that you see sexism everywhere, and are looking for any means possible to tell everyone about it?
You know, that's why I love George Takei. He saw the latest star trek movie and shook his head at the depiction of Sulu as gay. Just because he's gay doesn't mean that Sulu has to be, and making the character in the movie gay doesn't make people's situation any better. He understands that forcing this whole thing upon everyone can be counterproductive.
So let male boys play space captain. As long as you also let girls play space captain, and not treat them differently/worse, things are fine. I enjoy playing Yoshi's Wooly World a lot, and I don't decry that it's yet another Nintendo game aimed primarily at a female audience, what with the knitting and the bright colors and everything. That game stands above these issues, and is super enjoyable by everyone regardless of gender.
There's bigger wars to fight out there regarding gender inequality. Calling Star Citizen or similar space games sexist is ultimately an insult to women who suffer the very real consequences of gender inequality. yk?
It's not because of men, it's because CR and CIG made it so. I don't think any male would object if there were more females and/or female roles in SC.
It's incredible how you managed to twist the plot to suit your view and put manufactured guilt onto men's shoulders.
You can stop shoving your personal feminist propaganda down everyone's throat now, it's unfounded, unnecessary and unwelcome. Write your objections to CIG instead, at least that way it could possibly come into effect, but not here.
Thanks.
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I'm being equal with this post, that's what you want, right?
Yo, feminist propaganda
what is that btw, asking questions about gender relations?But don't get me wrong, I don't blame men. Luckily there are many variations of how to be masculine and a lot of cool guys on this planet. The specific ingame-masculinity promoted by Star Citizen is what I don't like, and I don't like the vibe of the fanbase (what do you expect of guys who are into 'ship p0rn0grafy' or whatever they call it).
I love Kerbal Space Program regarding this, even before they introduced female avatars it was unbelievable cute. But there are other games too, like Mass Effect, where you don't have to choose between two roles, the cold-blooded killerdude or the calculating capitalism-dude.
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I have never understood it, nor the whining about "feminist agenda".
I guess in the olden days people had to hear about "abolishionist agenda" or "suffragette agenda".
It's shocking to see how many people are super threatened by equality, and think feminist is a dirty word. Feminism is essentially the radical notion that women are actually people.
As for the idea that Star Citizen is hypermasculine fantasy. Well, there is some of that in it. CR loves Top Gun and strives to re-create in games. The audience seems more interested in exploration than blowing up Vanduul though, at least accoding to the surveys they did.
Yes.
Ok.
Yes, it is the internet, not a peer reviewed journal.
There are supposed to be stewards. Where are they?
If any occupation can be done by everybody, I love it. But more reproductive activities have to be available. Where are the kids in this Universe and who takes care of them?
This analogy makes no sense to me, sorry.
What game are you talking about?
I don't doubt that and never claimed people can't distinguish between game and reality. I do although think that some people don't understand the internet.
That is a very good question. Can you show me a list of plausible, acceptable reasons for being on this forum and not doing something else instead? Then I can check.
Actually, I never prevented anybody from playing a game and I don't want to do that. Do you think discussing games is similar to preventing people from playing games. If so, I might have to reflect my behavi
There is always something worse somewhere. Have you ever thought about asking Chris Roberts to spend half of the 130 Million Dollars on Solar Panels to generate environmental friendly energy for servers and clients to reduce the environmental impact of the kickstarter project demanding clients to redownload 30 GB after each update from servers? Probably not, because it makes no sense.
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Obviously there are no kiddie avatars in the game because there aren't any female avatars in the game to take care of them! Have you not being paying attention??? Leaving kids unattended would be neglectful!
On the other hand maybe there are no female avatars because it's far too much of an ache technically to add different sized avatars and all the animations and other garbage that goes with it. Doubly so for children/dwarves/little people/Yoda.
In the grand scheme of things there's a crapton of critical game stuff that needs to be done before that, things that they are incapable of doing anyway. So prob best not to hold your breath for the promised female avatars.
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Last time I checked players will ba able to play as male or female. Why female avatars are not in the game? Since they have issues animating and making playable male avatars... well, its just too much to ask.
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Too damn right it is too much to ask they cant even animate most of their space craft at all, so what chance do they have of animating avatars correctly.
Whenever I see hypermasculinity and Top Gun I'm always reminded of Tarantino's view of what Top Gun was really about.
[video=youtube;gSV35A1cQDM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSV35A1cQDM[/video]
Thats not how I read it at all. CR is clearly stuck in the 90s, builds a gameworld that just feels like a mix between Top Gun and Duke Nukem 3D and has mostly 40 year olds (who were 'at their peak' in the 90s) whaling the project. Whether you talk about the original WC games, the WC movie or SC, its is just filled with absurd hypermasculine nonsensical , and its clearly something CR cares a great deal about. Obviously the world of sci-fi has moved on, and modern day sci-fi is far from this cliche nonsense. I dont see it as Britney condemning men in general, but rather those men stuck in a place thats rather unwelcoming to many people.
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That reminds me - are they making a space sim still or did all switched to FPS and avatars now - this project is too crazy for me... but I remember I backed space sim.
I'm not gonna waste my time anymore with that other user. Ignored.
As for the "problem": So maybe WC was stuck in the past? Because it was an old game? What makes a game that offers both male and female player characters sexist? Is it because it's a game about shooting stuff and flying spaceships? Because really, that's all I'm taking away from this argument. The game should not be about what it is because the very topic is somehow laden with "masculinity".
Seriously, that's our problem here?
Is Elite sexist too? We've only seen male commanders in the pilot seat in the trailers so far...
Their ad videos are aimed at man-childs, I give you that. But there's that, and there's sexism. If there's an honest to god practical example of sexism in the game, please show me.
As for the "problem": So maybe WC was stuck in the past? Because it was an old game? What makes a game that offers both male and female player characters sexist? Is it because it's a game about shooting stuff and flying spaceships? Because really, that's all I'm taking away from this argument. The game should not be about what it is because the very topic is somehow laden with "masculinity".
Seriously, that's our problem here?
Is Elite sexist too? We've only seen male commanders in the pilot seat in the trailers so far...
Their ad videos are aimed at man-childs, I give you that. But there's that, and there's sexism. If there's an honest to god practical example of sexism in the game, please show me.
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I don't think I'd word it the way Britney did but, she kind of has a point.
SC - at least, the bits we've seen - seems a bit simplistic and bellicose in it's approach. Big ships good, big guns good, aliens bad - kill them all.
ED has a chunk of that as well of course, but we have more subtle options: Want to help people instead of blow them up? Join the Fuel Rats. Want to sell your guns and take off to see the galaxy? Hook up with the Distant Worlds guys for some pointers. Interested in thinking about aliens rather than nuking them? Cannon.
And I'm in a minority here, but feeling vaguely guilty about all the virtual slaves I've off-loaded over 30 years, I can head down to Cubeo and do some PP for Aisling.
I wouldn't particularly call these feminine activities (well, maybe handing out tons of Aisling's facebook is. How does she even do that?), but they are complexities and subtleties that simply don't exist in SC. I'm sure CR will wave his hands and say these things will be in Later™ but they evidently aren't a priority.
It's like comparing "Band of Brothers" with "The A-Team". Yes, they are both about a bunch of guys with guns, but one has a *little* more depth.
SC - at least, the bits we've seen - seems a bit simplistic and bellicose in it's approach. Big ships good, big guns good, aliens bad - kill them all.
ED has a chunk of that as well of course, but we have more subtle options: Want to help people instead of blow them up? Join the Fuel Rats. Want to sell your guns and take off to see the galaxy? Hook up with the Distant Worlds guys for some pointers. Interested in thinking about aliens rather than nuking them? Cannon.
And I'm in a minority here, but feeling vaguely guilty about all the virtual slaves I've off-loaded over 30 years, I can head down to Cubeo and do some PP for Aisling.
I wouldn't particularly call these feminine activities (well, maybe handing out tons of Aisling's facebook is. How does she even do that?), but they are complexities and subtleties that simply don't exist in SC. I'm sure CR will wave his hands and say these things will be in Later™ but they evidently aren't a priority.
It's like comparing "Band of Brothers" with "The A-Team". Yes, they are both about a bunch of guys with guns, but one has a *little* more depth.
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I think it's very much a matter of interpretation.
I don't know anyone who took Top Gun seriously, or Rambo, or any of the other really obviously stupidly over the top macho films made back then.
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Interesting to see who wins that battle by proxy..
Wasn't there a pin up that was removed because it was offensive/sexist? Or is it still in?
Anyway guys I didn´t watch last live stream....just saw the last few min. and that looks really bad....Is there was anything "groundbreaking"that desreve to be watched?Any new false-date for 2.6???
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If you were looking for news and insights into SC's development you'd be sorely disappointed.
If you were looking for a good laugh you'd still be giggling
It was so funny that CIG themselves took it offline.There has to be a copy of the stream around somewhere - I suggest popcorn and a fresh lulzbucket
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