He doesnt like ED, rather he is our resident NMS fanboy. So flying=bad, walking=good. The less flying, the less space and the less 'boring astronomy', the more he likes it.
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He doesnt like ED, rather he is our resident NMS fanboy. So flying=bad, walking=good. The less flying, the less space and the less 'boring astronomy', the more he likes it.
Couldn't rep so I'm +1ing from here.
This puts well into words the issue I have with the "turnaround" (if you could call it that) we saw on reddit. People were upset, yes... but they were upset over things that are clearly symptoms of something deeper, while still denying that there is a deeper problem. Maybe it's the first step on the road to awareness of what's going on at CIG, but still...
I still have very little sympathy for the backer base, or at least the part of it active on reddit. They're not to blame for what's happening at CIG, but they've enabled it to a large extent.
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I wouldn't entirely disagree - I do feel that supercruise is a pointless component of ED, added to satisfy alpha/beta players rather than for any particular gameplay purpose. As I've mentioned before, I'd prefer to see supercruise rebuilt with a focus on gameplay and multi-crew. I could imagine a plotter that comes with preset routes, or lets the player plot their own route. Maybe flying 'near' a planet allows a faster trip, maybe rings create anomalies that make avoidance easier etc. [and scrap the annoying 'gravity slow-down' mechanic]
But is it possible to have too much flying spaceships in a game about flying a spaceship?
I think there's more leeway for 'too much flying' than 'too much walking' in this genre.
Well put.
I believe when walking will come FD will recommend add gamepad to the mix for that
But yeah, lot of technical issues implementing walking which integrates well in ED. Funny how SC don't talk about VR anymore
M&K ftw!
Michael Brookes
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He doesnt like ED, rather he is our resident NMS fanboy. So flying=bad, walking=good. The less flying, the less space and the less 'boring astronomy', the more he likes it.
Sounds like he should be playing World Of Warcraft, not space games.
Definitely. I can imagine the scale of space far more in Elite than I can in EVE because of the perspective you can get of a star system and that only comes through supercruise and the way it is implemented.
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This. And I for one think they quite nailed the balance between conveying the sense of scale - of actualy being in a incommensurable vastness - and avoiding boredom (though there's exceptions like Hutton but see what emerged from this
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He doesnt like ED, rather he is our resident NMS fanboy. So flying=bad, walking=good. The less flying, the less space and the less 'boring astronomy', the more he likes it.
Fanboyism aside, I don't like the way ED is heavy on loading scre... err, witchspace transitions either. Getting anywhere is not particularily fun and to spoil the last bit of fun, Elite's current idea of adding danger to travel is to add cheap interdiction harassment depending on your cargo/mission etc.. There's no skill based mechanic to avoid that, no stealth mechanics in supercruise etc. and if you're not allowed to be scanned, I beliebe NPCs still are unimpressed by silent running, no? Supercruise in general, I think is a great way to connect normal flight instances. Gives great perspectives of the solar systems, although acceleration and deacceleration traveling from and towards gravity sources could be a tad quicker. But it's underdeveloped as well, so long as there is no micro jump between stars of a system, especially distant ones. Watching Netflix, because it takes 15 minutes to half an hour supercruise in a straight line where you need to be? That's not playing a game, but seeking distraction to avoid its game design/shortcomings (sometimes the same thing in Elite). But I do want space legs, so long as they're not misused as added tedium to access mission givers, but add nice mechanics, like Space Hulking your way through a lifeless (or not so much? ;-) ) generation ship hull.
And to go back to Star Citizen, travel is another blind spot there. There's the in-system jumps between POIs and there's the kinda somehow inter system worm holes. How do you interdict ships in in-system jumps? How much time does travel between systems take etc.?
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I like super-cruise, fly a curve to avoid gravity wells and maximize speed, shift your stern about to avoid being interdicted, get a perfect approach angle on a station and most importantly research your destination to avoid spending an hour there with nothing to do.
I think Michael knows his onions and understands that learning from the mistakes of others is a pain free way to gain valuable experience.
Well, its only fifteen minutes of nothing because you chose to go to a place thats far from the primary star, and chose to do nothing for the time it takes to get there. I personally prefer ED to remain diverse, offering long trips for the Hutton truckers, mini trips, non-stop action, almost no action etc. That does mean the user is responsible for chosing the activities they enjoy, but its IMHO better than forcing everyone into one mold just because its convenient or easier. After 1700 hours or so I myself havent yet turned to netflix or some such while playing this, or any other, game. If whatever I am doing is so tedious I'd just do something else in the game, or if that fails, not play that game.
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Ha, yeah its actually quite fun to race to stations when in a wing, somehow it always turns into a competition.
You'd never be forced to use micro jumps, you know?
But other players who are at the mercy of the missions the current system generates are forced to point their ship somewhere and do nothing unless they avoid the particular parts of the game altogether.Just like it'd be a great solution to offer missions from the board in the ship bridge, but optionally have the opportunity to walk up to the mission giver, for both Star Citizen and Elite. Offer a good game to those that would like it, while also offer those who want to take their time for whatever they require for immersion the option to do that.
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Supercruise is essential to the feel of the game. Without Supercruise there is no space. It just turns into a (boring) boxed level game like the X series, EVE, etc.
It must be great to know that when you're having a dev bad day, it could be much, much worse
And Michael it was very good to see you and Fuel Rats working together for this
. I will try to test this more over holidays while visiting player busy systems.Ha, yeah its actually quite fun to race to stations when in a wing, somehow it always turns into a competition.
My favourite thing in CGs is to race others from the star to the station!
AKA Schadenfreude?Stigbob said:
Except you have a nicer way of putting it!
Indeed. Asp has been very negligent in supplying us with more lulzbuckets.
My popcorn needs replenishing.
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