Ah, so an accusation of 'cinebox' would be that it is completely disconnected from the actual game development, rather than 'in-game but pre-rendered' (to prevent unexpected bugs during live presentation or whatever)?
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Ah, so an accusation of 'cinebox' would be that it is completely disconnected from the actual game development, rather than 'in-game but pre-rendered' (to prevent unexpected bugs during live presentation or whatever)?
Sometimes I don't even know what you're arguing about.
Cinebox was a thing. It was built from CryEngine to be a separate entity which uses the CryEngine core. There were several iterations of it; though they never did release a standalone product AFAIK. But right now - in CryEngine Actual & LumberYard - you can do the very same thing, though it's not as feature rich as a dedicated entity/product like what Cinebox/FilmEngine was supposed to be. Unity has it. UE has it.
And furthermore
http://www.joegarth.com/cineboxcryengine-3/
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actually yes it is. Theres a HUGE difference in performance and smoothness between the two best observed in the 2016 Dune demo...I mean homestead demo where the ship approaches the planet. They switched between both modes several times and its pretty obvious IMO. Also the reason why you NEVER see the actual controls being worked at all. I first noticed at the gamescon 2016 where all the stations were put up in a way that made it impossible to see what the people were doing...you only had a screen. Makes keeping up the illusion of people "playing" the cinebox demo much easier I suppose. But the choreography was off because if you pay attention you see the "pilot" paying more attention to the big screen to his left then on his own screen right in front of him and his reactions were often a split second too late to mirror his actions to what was happening on the big screen.
Smoke and mirror and worse...intentional as well ^^
Pro-tip. Camera control is another BIG give-away. In cinebox mode its a slow, even movement like a film shot. Whenever its manual control (aka ingame) it becomes fast paced and unregular and of course the blurriness and once its back in cinebox mode WHAM everything is smooth again.
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That is correct and it also explains why it runs stable and so beautiful because it doesnt run on the actual game code but only uses the assets.
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Pretty much looks like every single CiG demo they released so far, just better
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All of Star Citizen is build on FilmEngine
Simply because what backers hold in their hands doesnt match what CiG shows
Insignificant_The_Galaxy_Cat
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It didn't take long before the "Derek Smart is that you?" posts showed up. Even as I was writing my tome.
Viajero
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Maybe the pixels yes, actually by now we should be able to distinguish when engine blue pixels have been ordered by Chris Roberts
2:11:52
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuA-zV6B4vQ&feature=youtu.be&t=2h11m52s
Changing topic, and now that you are back, perhaps you would like to talk a bit more about VR in SC?
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Oh, you have to read this post from Ars Technica about an interview they just did with Chris, Erin, Tony
Meanwhile over on /r/StarCitizen, they're really triggered that /r/StarCitizen_Refunds/ exists
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Not getting what is wrong with the Interview with Ars Technica.
Of course they are not going to comment on when its estimated that SQ42 is shipping. That's obvious.
For those that have backed the game from Kickstarter days, I don't see anything wrong with getting something for your hangar or a paint job of a ship.
Both AC and SM have always been arcadey. Thats the whole point of both.
The next question clearly puts to bed some of your own opinions on where the game is at this time. All major underlying systems are in place for both the PU and SQ42.
Nothing wrong with great trailers... and a character trailer at that.
More complex HOTAS control is coming. For me, I play with a Thrustmaster Warthog and it supports the game just as well as Elite does. Thats complete with rudder pedals and my throttle.
And of course VR support isn't a priority, why would it be???
So in a nutshell, the game is proceeding in development well.
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Some of us are on vacation and only have intermittent access to the internets.
Mind you I type this with a killer view of Meteora outside my hotel patio...
Of course they are not going to comment on when its estimated that SQ42 is shipping. That's obvious.
For those that have backed the game from Kickstarter days, I don't see anything wrong with getting something for your hangar or a paint job of a ship.
Both AC and SM have always been arcadey. Thats the whole point of both.
The next question clearly puts to bed some of your own opinions on where the game is at this time. All major underlying systems are in place for both the PU and SQ42.
Nothing wrong with great trailers... and a character trailer at that.
More complex HOTAS control is coming. For me, I play with a Thrustmaster Warthog and it supports the game just as well as Elite does. Thats complete with rudder pedals and my throttle.
And of course VR support isn't a priority, why would it be???
So in a nutshell, the game is proceeding in development well.
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Some of us are on vacation and only have intermittent access to the internets.
Mind you I type this with a killer view of Meteora outside my hotel patio...
Mhhh, nothing new... Shouldn´t Tony Z have left CIG according to your predictions?
Hold on. I thought we were told that Arena Commander was meant to be the test bed and proving ground for how the flight model would work in the main game? I'm sure i've seen citizens say that at least a dozen times over the years. Test in AC then that feeds through to the main game.
Well, I kinda agree on some of that.
There is no point to /r/ds and those folk have so much hate in their lives and need to find something else to hate...like earwigs. Those things are truly hateful.
And there should be an archive of CRoberts drivel because they keep revising history and the Citizens conveniently forget stuff.
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Indeed, but since the actual gameplay feature set is far form finished some argue that CIG is just rationalizing that way the arcadey result so far (or at least arcadey compared to the initial promises of BDSSE). Interestingly enough the FPS and flight model mechanics you find in AC and SM mechanics are pretty much the same ones you will find in the PU. At some point before Star Marine was released, and so to justify its delays, Chris Roberts even mentioned that the FPS model was actually already in the PU. So, so far there seems to be zero distinction. Give them two weeks.
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Why is it "obvious"? So you're saying that SQ42 is no longer a going concern; which is why it has never - ever - appeared in ANY schedule?
Mr. Smart. One would think that if the core components of both SQ42 and the PU are complete, we will see SQ42.
Can you kindly show me where I said it was no longer a going concern?
Can you kindly show me where I said it was no longer a going concern?
I never "predicted" anything. Several people were available. Until they were not. As I said months ago, I have it on good authority that Tony Z is on the way out. Of course, just like all the departed key people, not to mention entire teams (e.g. BHVR which
I mentioned months ago - and is only now being made public), nobody will know it happens until long after the fact. And that has happened every - single - time.
Your turn.
Of course there is no distinction. Yet.
Its kinda like when people point out there are bugs in the Alphas to date. All I Can say is... DUH of course there is.
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Your "predictions" are like Nostradamus. So general that one can use them to fit any occasion. (note the quotes around predictions)
I see you've claimed there are some "JPEG ships" that will never make it into the game. Can you kindly tell us which ones?
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No, that's not how that works. Like at all. As in ever. By that submission, they shouldn't even have Star Marine or any other feature/module in the schedule. Are you serious right now?
And I never said you said "it was no longer a going concern". You made a statement. I asked for clarification. As usual, you didn't give it. Instead, you asked a question in response to a question. And that happens to be a deflection and avoidance tactic.
Now, answer the question. I'm sure that you've had time to think about it by now.
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There, I condensed your handwavey comment into something rather more representative of where CIG is with Star Citizen's development.
Also, the fact that you can look at that dog's dinner of a "schedule" CIG posted a couple of days ago and say, with a straight face, that "Everything is awesome and going according to plan!", is rather telling really.
But sure, do get your wallet out again to financially back Roberts' Vision, he'll be very glad of your unwavering support.
[Edit]: I mean, it's not like Chris Roberts, during CitizenCon last year, didn't get up on stage and produce a list of the features that will be in 3.0, along with a flashy (buggy as heck and stealing from as many sci-fi movie/book franchises as it could do) demo showing backers what it would look and "play" like. And it isn't like they put a date up there during the presentation stating that it would be mostly ready for backers to play-test by December 2016.
Oh.... that's right... He DID!
So how is it, now 4 months past the time 3/0 was supposed to drop, have CIG only just NOW produced a *schedule* of the work they'll have to do to make 3.0 a reality? On top of that, why are several of the key features that were mentioned to be part of 3.0 last December have now been pushed back until much later this year, or have been completely omitted from this hacked job of a schedule altogether?
[Edit 2]: Also, why do you continually insist on calling what is currently available in Star Citizen an "Alpha"? From what is currently playable for backers and the public (during free flight weekends), what is there would qualify as a tech demonstration at best. The only reason folks could sorta make the claim that it's an Alpha is due to the quality of the object assets used in the PU, Arena Commander, Hangar module and Star Marine.
However NONE of those modes have enough working content and a stable enough platform to justify the "Alpha" moniker. So no, people *can* mention the crippling bugs quite correctly and wonder why some of them that have affected the PU since it's release in 2015 are STILL showing up in 2.6.3... along with rafts of new bugs as well.
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