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Thanks, fixed!
Well, so much for the backers claim that things are taking long because "Chris Roberts is a perfectionist who wants everything done properly"
Chris Roberts: No pressure to make Star Citizen ‘absolutely perfect’
Chris Roberts: No pressure to make Star Citizen ‘absolutely perfect’
Insignificant_The_Galaxy_Cat
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Hey guys and girls! CIG have found a fix for that detached Port Olisar ring bug!
Take a look!
[video=youtube;7RFw6FSYwdg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RFw6FSYwdg#t=197s[/video]
Oh..... Well, the *good* news is that a commander managed to deal with it by crashing his ship into the abandoned Aurora that the ring was attached to... So I'd count that as a success, right?
Right?!
Take a look!
[video=youtube;7RFw6FSYwdg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RFw6FSYwdg#t=197s[/video]
Oh..... Well, the *good* news is that a commander managed to deal with it by crashing his ship into the abandoned Aurora that the ring was attached to... So I'd count that as a success, right?
Right?!
So what? You don't see emergent gameplay when it's right in front of you. This is the first job activity implemented in the PU. You don't understand game development.
Insignificant_The_Galaxy_Cat
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And just to add a counter to the rather frantic CIG defence forcing going on a couple of pages back on this forum, SA member MinorInconvenience neatly skewers Ben Lesnicks' letter in response to worries about the begging bowl referral system controversy, calling the stream of words what it actually was.... "spin doctoring". (As well as calling them a lot of other things, which I've edited out due to their rather coarse nature. But MI gets their point across extremely well regardless.)
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I can't believe that this actually has to be said.
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Prove it. You didn't listen to John Carmack: he says building video games can be more complicated than aerospace, but doesn't make any comparisons about which is more difficult. He did remark that aerospace is bloody difficult because although the systems and subsystems are simpler, they do not behave repeatably and predictably.
This is not a matter of simple vs complex, or complicated: it's a matter of "which is harder", and there is zero evidence that computer game development is in general harder than rocket design.
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Only if you promise to get on the same page. We need to bluesky this, go for the low hanging fruit first and make sure all our eggs aren't in one basket.
We should probably run it up the flagpole at some point too.
Insignificant_The_Galaxy_Cat
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The very same, yes.
We need to embrace agile and avoid the inevitable stagnation at the endpoint of waterfall!
Develop the developers, and the product will produce itself!
<runs away>
This is awesome! Now - in how many games can you do something like that? [woah][woah][woah]
True, although watching some complain about bugs in Elite makes it look like a matter of life and death.
Pretty much how I read it. Game is broken because the engine is broken, networking is broken, massive staff turnover, no experience in important senior positions (as reflected by their own job ads).
Only question is how long it will limp along before being put down.
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Given an awful state like this, it needs to either suddenly get better or get put down. This ongoing incompetence, masked by that bague mediocrity from Lesnick and Roberts's transparent letter, is just a slow death and tremendously uninspiring.
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I don't understand it.
1) Games aren't life or death
2) You have to expect a functioning product for your money
3) Some people are in to Star Citizen for life-changing amounts
4) Maybe games are life & death after all
:S
Since saying this, Carmack's own space endeavor was created and then stalled and is now basically dead. Yet he keeps pushing the technical boundaries in game development.
I don't think there's a better proof of him having been wrong when he said that. In fact, I'm pretty sure that if you ask him now, he'll tell you that space is hard. Like, really hard.
Making games is easier. Carmack proved it himself
For example, did you know that if you don't figure out how to keep liquid fuel from sloshing around, your rocket will explode? Did you know that if you don't figure out how to balance the different expansion rate of different fuel components during ascent using active pressure regulation, your rocket will explode? Did you know that if you don't design your injector correctly you get pressure oscillation and your rocket will explode? Did you know that if your Did you know that you have to pump fuel at insane volumes, yet you have to be able to control both flow rate and pressure exactly, while also filling the emptying fuel tanks with replacement gas at exactly the right ratio or, you guessed it, your rocket will explode?
Trust me, game design is easy in comparison. You can recompile time and again and just try it out as often as you'd like. In space flight, "trying out" means burning the whole budget of Star Citizen for a single test.
Making a good game isn't easy. But Space is harder. It just is. No debate. Carmack learnt his lesson. Ask him now. He'll tell you
Now can the MATH in game development be more complex? Oh yes, it can. Everything you need for space flight within the Mars perimeter fits on a small piece of paper. It's really easy.
Supersonic flight... not quite that easy, but well understood now and you can build upon a lot of knowledge these days, so you're not flying blind there. Just know that normal aerodynamics calculations will get you killed, and you'll be fine there.
But building a game, and building a space-worthy rocket? Two different animals.
Just because CIG isn't too adept at the former doesn't mean that making games is rocket science.
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Since saying this, Carmack's own space endeavor was created and then stalled and is now basically dead. Yet he keeps pushing the technical boundaries in game development.
I don't think there's a better proof of him having been wrong when he said that. In fact, I'm pretty sure that if you ask him now, he'll tell you that space is hard. Like, really hard.
Making games is easier. Carmack proved it himself
For example, did you know that if you don't figure out how to keep liquid fuel from sloshing around, your rocket will explode? Did you know that if you don't figure out how to balance the different expansion rate of different fuel components during ascent using active pressure regulation, your rocket will explode? Did you know that if you don't design your injector correctly you get pressure oscillation and your rocket will explode? Did you know that if your Did you know that you have to pump fuel at insane volumes, yet you have to be able to control both flow rate and pressure exactly, while also filling the emptying fuel tanks with replacement gas at exactly the right ratio or, you guessed it, your rocket will explode?
https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/Images/rktthsum.gif
Trust me, game design is easy in comparison. You can recompile time and again and just try it out as often as you'd like. In space flight, "trying out" means burning the whole budget of Star Citizen for a single test.
Making a good game isn't easy. But Space is harder. It just is. No debate. Carmack learnt his lesson. Ask him now. He'll tell you
Now can the MATH in game development be more complex? Oh yes, it can. Everything you need for space flight within the Mars perimeter fits on a small piece of paper. It's really easy.
Supersonic flight... not quite that easy, but well understood now and you can build upon a lot of knowledge these days, so you're not flying blind there. Just know that normal aerodynamics calculations will get you killed, and you'll be fine there.
But building a game, and building a space-worthy rocket? Two different animals.
Just because CIG isn't too adept at the former doesn't mean that making games is rocket science.
Yeah - but let's be honest - it's not exactly brain surgery is it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkmW6PolBVI
And Carmack actually said this in that video. The systems may be more complicated in game development, but aerospace is hard to get working.
He also remarked that the space design he and his team did are done very differently from modern aerospace development.
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Of course we knew THAT, duh.
Now show the maths behind stopping me running through an airlock in just my pants! See... not that easy is it?
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We know the release date: May the 42nd (of which year, we don't know though...)
https://twitter.com/RobertsSpaceInd/status/860185035072126977
https://twitter.com/RobertsSpaceInd/status/860185035072126977
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