This game is not for you.

[Continium]

Oh god...

This is a simulation, if people asks to dumb it down, hell, the game isn't for them. The game will keep on following EXACTLY the principles it's following now. Braben used KS instead of a normal backer to avoid having to make a main stream game, with hand holding
He wanted to make THIS game

Sorry you didn't read about it before, but starting flame bait against the fans and the backers it's just a way of getting a warning
Behave please

Who are you refering to exactly? If its me... then I dont think you read my post correctly.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

The problem isn't people wanting a feature or expressing a preference - which is perfectly reasonable. The problem is when they DEMAND it, or say Frontier MUST implement it, or exclaim that the game is BROKEN without it. Or also when they DEMAND something that's fundamentally opposed to the design ethos of the game. Doesn't make their preference unreasonable, but it does mean they're playing the wrong game if that particular feature is so critical to them.

This!. The op has a point and in some instances I agree. The game is not perfect and things can be improved but already the docking has been simplified, the ramming damage hugely reduced and the heat mechanic all but gone. Changes for the better are good but knee jerk changes are a worry in any game and I fear the above changes are very much that.

 

[moondog]

I think the concern that many of us have is that some of the implied suggestions for change would cause the current fans to no longer like the game.

You'll never satisfy all of the people all of the time. Current fans are no more important than new fans. What irks me more than the nonsense perception of fanboyism is the "I'm a backer" statement, as if it should elicit awe and privilege.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

yes the game will be released, and you're a fool to believe otherwise. you do realise chris roberts cannot fail to produce that game? if he were to pull the plug and claim it's impossible then he would be hit by the single biggest class action suit in the history of the world, guaranteed.

I can't wait for star citizen (actually s42 is my hook) but CR does have form for over stretching. Freelancer had most of the same goals of SC but were mostly cut.

 

[Muthax]

You'll never satisfy all of the people all of the time. Current fans are no more important than new fans. What irks me more than the nonsense perception of fanboyism is the "I'm a backer" statement, as if it should elicit awe and privilege.

No that's not the reason, people call fanbois others just because these DARE explain to them that the game is made like this because Braben (and the people who backed him) wanted THIS type of game. It's not a problem with current or old fans, it's a problem with things that have no place in ELITE by design:like auto-piloting from station to station or any call to make the game easier.

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This!. The op has a point and in some instances I agree. The game is not perfect and things can be improved but already the docking has been simplified, the ramming damage hugely reduced and the heat mechanic all but gone. Changes for the better are good but knee jerk changes are a worry in any game

We have a really different concept of changes for the better

 

[Muthax]

Who are you refering to exactly? If its me... then I dont think you read my post correctly.

Oh yea nd I read your other posts, you aren't happy that people who WANTED this game like it is aren't accepting changes that go against its core philosophy so you are starting these flame threads to ... dunno exctly why but I know that they are full of ad-hominem and anger

Not good

 

[SirGirard]

I often see the above being stated quite frequantly on these boards; usually in response to a critisim and/or a suggestion. There appears to be a 'terrible fear' from some parts of the community that the game is going to be 'dumbed down' if people express concerns or disatisfaction with the game - which seems to be resulting in certain people acting in a passive aggresive manner and taking it upon themselves to 'police' the boards and tell others 'where to get off'.

Many reviews of the game have acknowledged that the game does not feel 'completely finished' and this is the case for almost ALL MMO's at launch, FD have stated there are many new features to come and that they will actively listen to the community and enventually sculpt 'living breathing universe'.

Yes the game has its flaws (as do ALL things in life) and yes people are going to complain about these flaws, not because they hate the game, but because they love it and wish to see it improve.

So in future if somebody does not like a feature or wants something improving; rather than telling them "this game is not for you" (which is a silly statement anyway - people can decide for themselves) perhaps a more positive attitude would be:

"This is the state of the game at the moment, FD have said it will continue to evolve - most MMO's at launch are a bit sparse - stick around and see what happens"

Take a rep my good man! Well said and the sentiments on this Christmas eve are well taken.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

We have a really different concept of changes for the better

I think you may have mistook what I meant IMO the changes I listed are not for the better.... Unless you like the simplified mechanics which is fair enough each to their own

 

[Muthax]

I think you may have mistook what I meant IMO the changes I listed are not for the better.... Unless you like the simplified mechanics which is fair enough each to their own

My bad mike, I didn't catch the sarcasm sorry
No, I agree with you

Actually about the heat, is it true? I didn't notice

 

[EtherDragon]

@OP Yes! Thanks for posting this.

Too often do forum people go to the extreme ends of an opinion, which doesn't really help anyone understand where this game came from and where it's heading, and give anyone an objective view of whether or not they will really enjoy it (like I do).

Is this game for everyone? Certainly not! But "It's not for you" is not for you to say. All we can really do is provide the overriding vision of the game - and how far it's gone toward reaching it.

Elite: Dangerous is a wide open sandbox in a bit of a dark future where individuals own ships and deal with the harshness of space and very strict interstellar civilizations. It doesn't really hold your hand, many lessons are learned in the hardest way possible. Didn't ask for clearance to dock - get destroyed! Don't know how to avoid an interdiction - get interdicted, then destroyed! Didn't think to leave some money aside from that one last milk run - get interdicted, destroyed, and lose all your progress in one terrible moment!

This is the harsh, challenging galaxy that some of us cherish and thrive in! And we don't want to see the harshness change (much). But many of us recognize that in an information vacuum it's really frustrating to learn anything - this is game behavior that all of us want to see changed! We want you to be able to know what you did wrong, in a clearer way, so that next time you start in your sidewinder with 100 credits, you know how to handle earning your first million (and how to not lose it again!).

Docking is a great example of how this hard galaxy works correctly. Fly into a star port without clearance? A FINE appears and a timer counting down to your destruction. You IMMEDIATELY know that you messed up and haul butt out of there to correct your mistake and recover from a bruised . Linger too long, and you get destroyed - but you still know where you effed up. Next time, and every time afterwards, asking for clearance will be stapled to your brain.

An example of how this hard galaxy fails to instruct is when you get interdicted for the first time. There's this blue cross-hair that rushes off the screen and some graph or something in the middle and the sound changes and you have no idea what is actually happening until you pop out of supercruise with a big message "FSD Failure!". Before you can ask "why did my FSD fail..." some guy is shooting at you! Is it an NPC? Another PC? Am I being Pirated or Griefed? But before you can answer any of those questions your dead. The only lesson you learned is - there's something called Interdictions that causes your FSD to fail and you're not sure what to do about them, but they hurt a lot!

 

[Geers]

+1 from me for this post, this game is awsome and all should be thankfull to play it i.e. look at the star citizen scam..... you think they'll ever see the game realeased? and elite did it with less than 2 mill, star citizen almost 60 mill if not over that by now.

Star Citizen isn't anywhere near finished. Stop acting like Arena Commander is the final state of the game and that FD have done some amazing incredible "little guy victory" by getting to Elite's 1.0 release with 2 million before Star Citizen is even out of an alpha phase.

In my opinion Star Citizen has already done a couple of things far better than Elite has.

 

[Muthax]

Star Citizen isn't anywhere near finished. Stop acting like Arena Commander is the final state of the game and that FD have done some amazing incredible "little guy victory" by getting to Elite's 1.0 release with 2 million before Star Citizen is even out of an alpha phase.

In my opinion Star Citizen has already done a couple of things far better than Elite has.

Getting fundings for sure

 

[CMDRKNac]

This game has no sub, no reason not to check once in a while even if you get a bit burnt. it will keep improving, but there is much work to be done. I think they should have given it one or two more months of testing at least but it's a done deal now so just enjoy what there is or don't.


EDIT: The total funding for the game are more like 8 mill pounds or so, not 2 mill. Not at SC level but not that low either.

 

[Muthax]

Excellent post Etherdragon. it is true some things could be explained better but most of the problems stemmed from not having the manual ready. It's ready now and people should read it. But even when I tried to explain how SC worked or suggested video tutorials, often I got hit with "I have to watch what to play the game??" or "fanboi defending a broken game" stuff and honestly, it gets old quick.

I even got a few "I need to learn to fly to play this? Fail game" and a tirade about how games like this and Early Access 'con' people in buying a product that doesn't work... I'd laugh at the last one if it wasn't sad

I think that in those cases "The game isn't for you" it's more than acceptable and polite

 

[Unpleasant]

This game is not for you, is just the new in thing to say.

 

[Jockey79]

Star Citizen isn't anywhere near finished. Stop acting like Arena Commander is the final state of the game and that FD have done some amazing incredible "little guy victory" by getting to Elite's 1.0 release with 2 million before Star Citizen is even out of an alpha phase.

In my opinion Star Citizen has already done a couple of things far better than Elite has.

You gotta change that avatar - I've lost 20 minutes staring at that tesseract so far !

 

[Unpleasant]

It doesn't really hold your hand, many lessons are learned in the hardest way possible. Didn't ask for clearance to dock - get destroyed!

It's funny listening to the station announcements. 'Loitering is punishable by death', then you think, hang on, murder is punishable by a 4000 credit fine. It's a crazy universe we live in lol

 

[Muthax]

It's funny listening to the station announcements. 'Loitering is punishable by death', then you think, hang on, murder is punishable by a 4000 credit fine. It's a crazy universe we live in lol

Have you ever parked in double line in the center of Rome,Italy (not some system out there in space) ?

 

[Continium]

Oh yea nd I read your other posts, you aren't happy that people who WANTED this game like it is aren't accepting changes that go against its core philosophy so you are starting these flame threads to ... dunno exctly why but I know that they are full of ad-hominem and anger

Not good

...Nope, still none the wiser. How you construed this a 'flame' thread I do not know... Anyhow merry xmas.

 

[Shayde]

The problem isn't people wanting a feature or expressing a preference - which is perfectly reasonable. The problem is when they DEMAND it, or say Frontier MUST implement it, or exclaim that the game is BROKEN without it. Or also when they DEMAND something that's fundamentally opposed to the design ethos of the game. Doesn't make their preference unreasonable, but it does mean they're playing the wrong game if that particular feature is so critical to them.

Yes. Exactly the way i see it. If they can't figure how to do something properly they claim the game is broken and FD must fix it etc