Time to abandon it

[KellyR]

How about this? Let's just wait and see. All this speculating does is take time away from the game. If you don't like it, then don't play it. There's no need for all the hyperbole.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Not to toot my own horn but yes, I've written a few games myself and worked on a few others in an indie capacity. A lot of C++, Java, and GMS. So I have some idea how games are coded, though I do not work for Frontier. I have however done huge rewrites myself to core routines when things became too broken or difficult to add features.

I'm just stating my educated guess as to what FDev is doing and why it's taking them so long with nearly all of their team devoted to it. You can disagree with me, but it's still what I think is going on behind the scenes.

Fair enough. To me it's more likely that they are rewriting the code in the big bug fixing thing going on at the moment. That to me seems more logical.

 

[B1rdy]

You said people were gifting them money, that's the phrase you chose to use. I didnt make anyhting up.

Do you actually have a counter argument?

With star citizen they've managed to convince the whales that ships are an actual investment that will somehow grow even though video games always drop in price post release and the money farmers would be all over a game that expensive. They genuinely think they'll be minted selling them on later so again greed is the key to it.

Do you have sources that back up your "facts"?

What words were "put into your mouth"? You literally called it "gifting" money.

Sorry guys for not being a native speaker, but feel free to do more hair splitting.

Edit:

It seems to be an opinion with no actual facts to back it up.

As opposed to yours Mengy's theories are founded.

 

[Stigbob]

Do you actually have a counter argument?

To you whining that I put words in your mouth yes I do have a counterargument, you used the exact phrase you are now objecting to me attributing to you.

So the real question is do you have a point to make beyond your desire to publicly disagree with yourself ?.

Do you have sources that back up your "facts"?

Yep it has a flourishing grey market in second hand jpegs, most of those people believe their "investment" has some actual real world value or they wouldn't be buying and selling them. Some are probably just shifting/laundering money/avoiding tax but they'll be a tiny minority.

The fact people are using it to get refunds now CIG have blocked that route (whilst six years overdue) at roughly 70% of what they spent demonstrates quite clearly that video game spaceships don't accrue monetary value over time.

A fact I'm surprised some people need to have explained to them.

 

[Ezren]

Do you actually have a counter argument?

You literally accused him of putting words in your mouth.

Pointing out how you said exactly what he said you said is pretty effective counter argument to that claim.

 

[Burke]

Yep it has a flourishing grey market in second hand jpegs, most of those people believe their "investment" has some actual real world value

My first response was lol thats sad but then i thought, somebody sold a banana taped to a wall for over £100000. The rules of art mean that something is worth whatever anybody will pay for it. What you describe might... could be some kind of clever experiment.

 

[Stigbob]

My first response was lol thats sad but then i thought, somebody sold a banana taped to a wall for over £100000. The rules of art mean that something is worth whatever anybody will pay for it. What you describe might... could be some kind of clever experiment.

I think the clever people are watching and waiting without putting a penny down, probably with some sniggering.

Tracey Emin put her messy bed on display and people thought it was art. I thought it was a mess and had some poop on it.

Jpegs of spaceship promises just don't have enough mass appeal though. So when you say "anybody" you really mean a tiny minority of the odd end of the space game enthusiasts group which is already pretty niche to begin with.

 

[Burke]

If you happen to be very rich 20k or whtever for a toy, its up to you isnt it? The emmin bed, or that banana... somebody paid a vast sum for what in both cases is little more than pile of rubbish. Once they paid, that became the items value and art doesnt genrally go down much. Its like bit coin isnt it? All done on trust.. a bit coin only has any value cause people accept that it has value, no gold behind it. Can a SC jpeg be considered a store of wealth? It would be right in line with modern world nonsense if it turned out that it could. That would be the experiment.

 

[Stigbob]

If you happen to be very rich 20k or whtever for a toy, its up to you isnt it? The emmin bed, or that banana... somebody paid a vast sum for what in both cases is little more than pile of rubbish. Once they paid, that became the items value and art doesnt genrally go down much. Its like bit coin isnt it? All done on trust.. a bit coin only has any value cause people accept that it has value, no gold behind it. Can a SC jpeg be considered a store of wealth? It would be right in line with modern world nonsense if it turned out that it could. That would be the experiment.

That's certainty a point under some circumstances, however most people with 20K to blow on a toy also have the funds and the sense to make life very difficult for people who don't deliver. The rich are also not renowned for their patience or being able to cope with not getting their own way. We are at what ? six years and counting, so it just doesn't wash that its disposable income from savvy investors who fancy a bit of downtime. There should be much more outrage from the customers than amusement for the onlookers, unless they've successfully and specifically targeted some pretty dim or just incredibly out of touch people.

Gold only has value because we all agree it has value, that doesn't apply to this since clearly very few people think internet spaceships have any value whatsoever let alone many times the price of entire actually existing AAA games with all the DLC thrown in.

 

[Burke]

Yep it has a flourishing grey market in second hand jpegs, most of those people believe their "investment" has some actual real world value or they wouldn't be buying and selling them.

Very few but enough to create that market. As for rich people, you will have to check the story but somebody paid like $100000 for a golden avatar on some chat program. There are alot of people in the world who can drop 50k and not even notice its gone. Internet people know this well ehough i would expect SC maybe just knows their market. I have no idea how many people buy or trade this stuff but would imagine it was worth making those special packs even if total sales was only 5 or 10 units. Be interesting to know how many they sold. The other thing is that by trading those jpegs they make them have that value, so long as all the rich people agree that they have that value... exactly like a banana taped to a wall. We might think its a banana but so long as the system holds its really £150k or whatever nonesense. Stuff like this is why i like the depiction of the rich people in those crappy hunger games films. Its funny cause its true.

Edit: that banana is actually a joke. Im aware of that

Edit: 2 obviously it goes down hill fast if the plug was pulled on SC.

 

[Burke]

Just for the interest check this out.

Meet the gamers willing to spend hundreds of thousands living their video game fantasy

Self-made millionaire Jon ‘NEVERDIE’ Jacobs pulls up outside his opulent nightclub in an extravagant roadster and heads straight to the dance floor.

www.telegraph.co.uk

You realise that these markets arnt really for normal people. Im offended paying £50 for a game, somebody paid a half million for pixels. Its not right is it? They dont live in our world.

 

[Stigbob]

Very few but enough to create that market. As for rich people, you will have to check the story but somebody paid like $100000 for a golden avatar on some chat program. There are alot of people in the world who can drop 50k and not even notice its gone. Internet people know this well ehough i would expect SC maybe just knows their market. I have no idea how many people buy or trade this stuff but would imagine it was worth making those special packs even if total sales was only 5 or 10 units. Be interesting to know how many they sold. The other thing is that by trading those jpegs they make them have that value, so long as all the rich people agree that they have that value... exactly like a banana taped to a wall. We might think its a banana but so long as the system holds its really £150k or whatever nonesense. Stuff like this is why i like the depiction of the rich people in those crappy hunger games films. Its funny cause its true.

Edit: that banana is actually a joke. Im aware of that

Edit: 2 obviously it goes down hill fast if the plug was pulled on SC.

The sort of people who have 50k to drop on stuff they like have that 50k specifically because they do notice what goes on with their money. If they didn't they wouldn't have accrued it in the first place.

Unless you think the whole thing is propped up purely by trust fund kids, who would be more likely to buy a social life than a video game as your link seems to show.

 

[n13L5]

After many years of play I think it's time to abandon it, in the end you realize that the game has too many limits that I hope will be introduced in the future, now everything is limited to grinding and making money and once you get the ship and build properly you have finished the game because everything only leads to making money and nothing else, everything brings you back to this.

FD has a history of making shovel-ware on the cheap. I only play after an expansion of some kind and within a month or so, I'm done again.

Personally I prefer Ubisoft's Assassin's Creed - single player, limited by the time it takes you to complete the quest ark. Its like playing a game and reading a book rolled in one.
No excessive grind for money or any other thing.

But my overall advice would be to quit computer games period.
They just waste your life away, while you're crawling through someone else's labyrinth like a lab rat.

Quit games like any other poisonous habit!

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

But my overall advice would be to quit computer games period.
They just waste your life away, while you're crawling through someone else's labyrinth like a lab rat.

Quit games like any other poisonous habit!

Something tells me if you feel that way you are kind of in the wrong forum!.

I actually had a breather from ED for a few months but am happily back now. I get why some dont like ED specifically, its certainly marmite and funnily enough some of the reasons why i like the game are why others dont... and it is FD relaxing those things which made me need to have a break for a bit... but if you have an issue with gaming in general then, like i said, why are you here?

 

[n13L5]

Something tells me if you feel that way you are kind of in the wrong forum!.

I actually had a breather from ED for a few months but am happily back now. I get why some dont like ED specifically, its certainly marmite and funnily enough some of the reasons why i like the game are why others dont... and it is FD relaxing those things which made me need to have a break for a bit... but if you have an issue with gaming in general then, like i said, why are you here?

I'm still working up to it...
And so, I still pop up here, when I smell something new might arrive in the rat-testing-labyrinth.
But we got the arx store instead of carriers. Cash grind beat carriers.

I remember in EVE-Online - I had a bunch of friends who did something I couldn't understand - hauling goods from some station to some other station, over and over and over.
Eventually, it transpired, that the lot of them, doing marmite things had issues with depression, and doing repetitive, monotonous things were taking their mind off that. I don't know anything about depression to argue about it...

I also had a friend in one of those sword and sandals MMORPGs, who was literally always online. Turned out, he had a bad car accident and was in a wheelchair plus injuries beyond his legs. For him, I'd say, computer games are a fantastic thing to improve his life, unless he was a writer...

But for able-bodied people, not so great. Pixels on a display just can't match the real world - no touch, no smell, no flavor, can't feel the luxurious leather seats on your bridge very well, if you're sitting on a wooden stool, can you?

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

But for able-bodied people, not so great. Pixels on a display just can't match the real world - no touch, no smell, no flavor, can't feel the luxurious leather seats on your bridge very well, if you're sitting on a wooden stool, can you?

For most of us it is not an either or thing however...... (until i had a child) I used to have holidays abroad, have been fortunate enough to see some incredible scenes such as migrations in Kenya, Sharks in South Africa, the space shuttle in Washington (sadly at a museum, have never seen a real launch). I have been scuba diving in Egypt and jamaica and much more. (not trying to brag just to give context). *

But...... 1 think I cant do, and will never be able to do is fly in a space ship all around the milky way..... with VR in ED I CAN do that.

the biggest thing stopping me actually experiencing the world is actually my child............ but i would not trade that experience either.

TLDR everything is good in moderation - (well not everything)


** looking back I dread to think about my carbon footprint when doing that. Ours could possibly be one of the last generations to be able to jetset around the globe on a whim.

 

[[PS4] Filthymick420]

Probably not. We found new countries all over the world using wind power. Im sure, as a species, we will never stop traveling. Besides not everyone care enough about their carbon footprint to give up their luxuries. If they did we would ONLY have electric cars since they've been created. Or at the very least they be priced so anyone can afford them

 

[Old Duck]

I'm visiting this thread because I'm feeling salty today, discouraged by bugs and design decisions that robbed my innocent joy after a gaming session this weekend. I've been down this road before, and I've walked away from ED a number of times in the past. Right now the thing that promises to keep me from abandoning it is VR, which completely changes the game for me, but perhaps this too will lose its luster over time.

Speaking of, how many of these alternatives to ED offer compelling VR support? NMS does, though it's not really the "space" game I'm looking for. Space Engineers (my current favorite alternative to ED) doesn't IIRC. Neither does Star Citizen, correct? What about Infinity Battlescape? I'm looking for a VR space game with a good flight model and good combat mechanics, like ED had before Engineers. Is there anything, or is ED still king of this particular niche?

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

VR in ED may get old.... but it hasnt yet for me and i have been in VR since......... June at a guess 2014...... I did have a 3 or 4 month break however and came back to ED recently.

yeah right now NMS is the other one. There are space games in VR of course but not like Elite.... as for Star Citizen. There is a VR stretchgoal but CIG seem to have pulled back from it sadly.
i may be imagining it but i do think i played an early Arena Commander Star citizen combat build in VR back in the DK2 days, but it was so long ago now i may be imagining it.

but so many of the design decisions in SC look to be awful for VR so i think it is not really a priority for them now. At best a bunch of animations etc will need to be disabled for VR, and the framerate needs to go up a lot!.

 

[Nic727]

I was only playing in Open and I never met a single CMDR other than rescue from fuel rat. I mostly got the game to explore, doing missions and meet other CMDR in stations, but there is nothing of that currently. I don’t even know if I will be happy for the late 2020 update or if I will cry.