Toxic community. Why so?

[Cmdr Cheese Wedge]

Everyone has an opinion, it's what makes life interesting.
If this forum were an echo chamber and we agreed on everything, the forums would literally stagnate.
And while we all might have differing views on certain aspects of ED and how it works we would never want that.

 

[Shar]

Everyone has an opinion, it's what makes life interesting.
If this forum were an echo chamber and we agreed on everything, the forums would literally stagnate.
And while we all might have differing views on certain aspects of ED and how it works we would never want that.

The only responce i can give to this is...

Everyone has an opinion, it's what makes life interesting.
If this forum were an echo chamber and we agreed on everything, the forums would literally stagnate.
And while we all might have differing views on certain aspects of ED and how it works we would never want that.

And i would also say..........

Everyone has an opinion, it's what makes life interesting.
If this forum were an echo chamber and we agreed on everything, the forums would literally stagnate.
And while we all might have differing views on certain aspects of ED and how it works we would never want that.

 

[ShoeHash]

The truth is Fdev HAVE made some..... questionable...... game implementation and design choices - and have been extremely quiet about a LOT of aspects of the game that were promised and yet to materialize or aspects that BADLY need to be addressed.

Fact is, if people didn't say anything, Fdev wouldn't know they messed up and when people have aspects of the game they have sunk possibly 1,000's of hours into, break, - it's not surprising this shows in their "less than happy" posts.

Calm dialogue takes two parts and Fdev resolutely don't like to talk, so they get shouted at instead.

Jesus Christ you're an over obsessive crybaby.

Your post is riddled with grammatical errors and is written in what I would have called a stream of consciousness, if it wasn't also so dull.

FDEV Is not a word. When you're referring to a company it's Frontier Developments, and here's something, they don't owe you anything.

You say if they talked more they wouldn't get shouted at? How are patch notes, game updates, story arc updates, townhall IRC chats, virtual representation in game, out of game, and representation by proxy from the various community managers who have to put up with some of the most pointless posts I've ever seen - not indicative of a player to dev dialogue.

Face it buddy, they don't like to talk to you, and that's what es you off. Because you'd like to helm your own spaceship game and can't. Because that wasn't your profession or that wasn't your goal or you were in the wrong place at the wrong time, doesn't matter.

Frontier Developments is a team of very talented people who weren't the first, and won't be the last to design new internet spaceships with crowd funding on a long term plan. You wanna do that? Quit your job and go do it. I've worked in the industry, and now I'm disabled due to some very serious medical problems. Hell, I'd bet you're in the same boat as me and just have so much time you got the head crazies.

I have no idea why a calm and rational individual would have written a post like you did.

 

[Cmdr Cheese Wedge]

This happens to be the politest Forum(s) I've ever seen.

If you want toxic, trust me you don't want to go down the rabbit hole that is ANY Sim Racing forum.
The amount of waving is crazy.

See, polite, interesting and entertaining ^

LOLZ

 

[Kestril]

I think this community is critical at times, but not toxic.

The fuel rats, distant worlds, community CGs, lave radio, and mobius, and many other community groups are all examples of that. Furthermore, the involvement of Fdev with these community groups with the galactic intern, community decals, as well as IRL conventions is a great sign of a postive community fostered by commanders and encourage by the devs.

The community can be very critical of the game sometimes, overly so, but I don't think that's toxicity. It has the potential to get toxic, as seen in the debate over ship transfer. Overly critical, sure, but I think that's mostly limited to the discussion forum over hot-button issues and not due to a constant atmosphere of toxicity.

Should the community as a whole take a step back and chill before posting on contentious topics? Absolutely. Does this community constantly foster a toxic atmosphere? As a whole: nope; but with certain topics: yeah, it can give that impression.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Dangerous forum aka General has been complains forum since ED 1.0 beta. As many pointed out that's a nature of gaming forums. People play games and don't share their happiness because duh. But if there's something wrong keyboard warriors will wake up from slumber to make things right

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Also yeah ED community rocks. We argue but ohh boys and girls I just yesterday saw that other game forums...those guys are touchy at extreme.

 

[Threeofseven]

I always play open, occasionally Mobius when visiting an engineer unarmed. 99.9% of people I meet are friendly.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

As some have noted, the level of toxicity is a direct result of the company and their product. Good companies with good products have good social media sites with civil activity. There's papers published on this if one has doubts.

This forum is a total reflection of FDev's actions. Don't blame the people posting (except for the truly troublesome few... )

Not sure i agree... you make interesting point BUT if FD didnt have a good (great) product i dont thing there would be half as many people so invested in it.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

This community has put out so many tools and mods for the game, so that alone could make me see with rose colored glasses here. But, compared to other MMOs, this is not a toxic community.

I came from Mechwarrior Online, where you're now paying minimum 20 dollars per mech, 70 if you want the full boat. Every month it seems they release a mech but cannot complete their gameplay progress goals. It's like World of Warships or World of Tanks but with more cash paid out, and people filled with the vitriol of a thousand aborted fetuses that would have cured cancer if you had just given them the chance. They act exactly that way too.

When I log on to the Mechwarrior forum a voice in my head says, “Where we're going you won't need eyes to see.”

I feel for you. MWO is a game i followed as an interested outsider but was nit really invested in it. It had the potentiak for greatness just not my bag... but i consider the outcry aboutr 3rd person view to have similar parallels to stuff on here (indeed we had a 3rd person storm of our own).

 

[Karla]

I think the Elite community should be nerfed. It's waaay OP. And all the players who don't post on the forum should be forced to do so. There's no way that they should be able to affect the BGS without spouting their opinions in open. Who knows what they are thinking and doing?

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

I reckon the thing which winds most up regardless of what side if the fence we are on is the tone of posts... there are posts alsong the lines of "here is a feature whi h i do not think works so well and could be improved"

And there are posts like "this sucks, only an idiot could possibly like this . Anyone who likes it is stupid it must be changed and if you dont agree you are a carebear/white night/griefer/ etc etc.

One of the above invites discussion the other is just poking the hornets nest.

Talking of poking the hornets nest there are also those posts where someone goes in and widely criticises the game, playerbase or forum posters and then does not even bother to get involved in their own thread. This thread funnily enough has generally been quite positive... but where is the OP? it makes one think they really did not care and just wanted to try and create a troll thread and now it has failed they are not interested.

Finally there are those posts where someone complains and others spend their own personal time to respond to try to help and all they are met with is derision and rudeness....... i will try to help anyone where i can... i dont even expect a thankyou (but its nice) but what i dont expect is to be totally ignored, then insulted and finally accused of not trying to be helpful.

TLDR reap what you sow. Polite constructive discussion tends to get similar response........ so lomg as the post is not directly on top of another post on the same forum where someone has spent a paragraph trying to answer the exact same issue.

 

[dynamicbob]

the gameplay gets tweaked towards the latest expansion ( 2.2 passanger, so passanger missions pay the most) and older missions are nuked and nerfed

 

[micky1984]

It's all Frontiers fault because they removed offline mode. Or the Python nerf, can't remember.

not because of that at all it because they let you swap and change modes easily lock the modes to clear saves and get the crybabies to stop yapping every time they get owned by either NPC or a player

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

not because of that at all it because they let you swap and change modes easily lock the modes to clear saves and get the crybabies to stop yapping every time they get owned by either NPC or a player

Uh oh...

 

[TigerTen]

It's all Frontiers fault because they removed offline mode. Or the Python nerf, can't remember.

It was the: Python nerf !!!

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

It was the: Python nerf !!!

the funny thing is, untill 2.2 imo the python was still the king of the all rounder (PvE) ships - I know nothing of PvP

it could do it all, good hauling, decent defence, decent offence, with a bit of ENG love, OK jump range and speed (for its size) and can use medium pads.

I never really flew one pre nerf, but cripes, it must have been a monster!!!.

 

[Globusdiablo]

This is an anonymous forum, on the Internet, for a multiplayer game whose features include PvP. Every single tiny little change part of the community requests treads on the toes of some other part of the community, which is provided with a safe, free-of-charge way to vent their frustration. I'm not sure how you'd expect anything else, is this your first mmo forum?

My thoughts exactly.

 

[zarrazee]

OP. People love to moan and complain about stuff. I read their comments then move onto the next post. Sometimes I might reply, but most of the time, I don't bother.

 

[Kneejo]

I'm of the opinion that this negativity is a consequence of the times we live in. People in well-faring countries are generally spoiled brats who want instant gratification and forget to be polite about their wants and needs. This is a thing you'll see in any other gaming community and outside gaming communities as well. Myself being of an older generation, I've seen this attitude develop in younger generations. The more mature people are, the less they will act like spoiled brats and the more they will behave decently in forums and towards the developers. The less mature they are, the more they will require the whole world around them to bend to their will, or be dissatisfied if that doesn't happen. "I want this, and I want it now, and if you can't make it happen today, I'm going to talk trash about you until you do". Perhaps it is the attitude that grows in children when they are raised in dysfunctional families or in situations where the parents both have jobs and leave the actual raising of the child up to caretakers who don't really care about the individual child.. I don't know for sure, but it sure as heck looks like it. There used to be a time when I was happy playing pong on some ancient console. Nowadays we have such a huge amount of things to do that we stop thinking about the effort that goes into creating the possibility for us to do these things. The sheer amount of games out there, perhaps a little bit of the fact that many games are made to be easy to play and give instant gratification when it comes to winning something, combined with the fact that Elite has always been a game where only your own effort in the game will give you satisfaction. People these days don't have the mindset any more to make their own fun. As a child I didn't even have a computer. I went into the woods with a knife and carved myself a catapult and went hunting with it. It was so gratifying! Can't have that in a time when gratification in doing things is taken away by game developers handing us everything we want on a golden platter. I can imagine how (younger) people today don't know how to amuse themselves in Elite, because Elite is different from other games when it comes to that instant gratification factor. You can enjoy Elite to the max if you simply think, and work hard, and go the long way. I suspect many youngsters see the amazing graphics and say to themselves: I want to play that game, because it looks so cool! And then, when they discover it requires another type of attitude than what they are used to, they blame it on the developers. So much disrespect for the developers. If I was a developer of Elite I would have banned half the player base, to make the experience 10 times better for the other, dedicated half.

 

[TERMINATRIXXX]

Really like the smell of testosterone.....