Toxic?
Not hardly, not compared to say, WoT forums.
People here are absurdly, astoundingly nice by comparison.
Not hardly, not compared to say, WoT forums.
People here are absurdly, astoundingly nice by comparison.
Toxic community. Why so?
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For some context, the E community (<<-- can it be that bad if we have to type a cheesy smiley everytime we reference the game?) Vs XXX:
I found this while browsing earlier today - http://www.pcgamer.com/eve-online-scam-olivia/
community (<<-- can it be that bad if we have to type a cheesy smiley everytime we reference the game?) Vs XXX:I found this while browsing earlier today - http://www.pcgamer.com/eve-online-scam-olivia/
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This forum isn't toxic. OP, don't mistake some passionate debates that blow up around here as "toxic." Far from it, I think this forum is all around the "nicest" forum I can think off the top of my head in the gaming community, especially when you take into account the culturally diverse base of all of the visitors & posters represented here. For my tastes, the heated debates are the fun part; if everyone just agreed on everything and everybody just wanted to hold hands all the time I think that would get boring very fast.
verminstar
Banned
Ok I have to admit, this made me chuckle and nod...it's the rebel in me
Good sarcasm is harder to find in this world gone political correctness mad, so when the really salt shakers start doin their thing, theres a genuine novelty to have gotten a few rounds off before the mods lock it. There are limits to fun banter...can be a fine line indeed, although getting personal is a big no no.
The great thing about elite is that the forums attempt to cater fer all ages, but herein lies a hidden danger too. Younger players trying to argue with older players and vice versa...add into the mix that english might not be everyones first language...add in the forum warrior/troll aspect and I'm surprised this place isn't much worse than it is. It's boring when everyones in a good mood.
So much potential...bloody mods are just too fast...that or they just bein target practice fer the rest of us ^^
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Ok I have to admit, this made me chuckle and nod...it's the rebel in me
Good sarcasm is harder to find in this world gone political correctness mad, so when the really salt shakers start doin their thing, theres a genuine novelty to have gotten a few rounds off before the mods lock it. There are limits to fun banter...can be a fine line indeed, although getting personal is a big no no.
The great thing about elite is that the forums attempt to cater fer all ages, but herein lies a hidden danger too. Younger players trying to argue with older players and vice versa...add into the mix that english might not be everyones first language...add in the forum warrior/troll aspect and I'm surprised this place isn't much worse than it is. It's boring when everyones in a good mood.
So much potential...bloody mods are just too fast...that or they just bein target practice fer the rest of us ^^
Heheh, yeah, the mods are pretty good at sniping our Power Plants when the forum PvP gets too intense
Avago Earo
Banned
True, but it can also be seen another way. When I used to work in catering (actually, bar and cellar man in a pub), we were told that if things weren't up to scratch, then to regard complaints as a blessing. This was on the basis that if someone was dissatisfied with their service, and didn't tell us, you could be dead sure they would tell their friends.
Maybe sometimes people air stuff here in the hope they'll get overheard.
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I wouldn't say the community is toxic. However, I might be inclined to describe it as "hair trigger dismissive." Theres lots of feedback that doesnt really further discussion and can be really frustrating to be on the receiving end of. That being said, I've found that even the most inflammatory posters seem like good people. If you can (for lack of a better word) corner them and remind them that you're a human being and treat them with equal respect, you usually get the discussion you're looking for.
I will say there seems to be a palpable tension between generations here. Often times I want to make a joke about how the forums seem like the new fall lineup for CBS (I doubt the joke travels well). At least 2 new television shows are based around making fun of the "millenial" generation, and from the promos the jokes and themes aren't too far from what you'd find here (except, you know, american and lazy comedy).
I did want to start a topic asking for advice for what rules you'd include in an unhelpful forum response drinking game.
Off the top of my head, drink every time someone says:
"instant gratification" as an insult
"muh immershuns" as an insult
You're playing the wrong game
You're playing the game wrong
"I have no problem with idea X but I'd rather they spend time on feature Y"
"I win button"
Dismisses dissenting opinion as whiners
"Elite isn't for everybody"
I'd have had to give up my car keys from this thread alone already.
I will say there seems to be a palpable tension between generations here. Often times I want to make a joke about how the forums seem like the new fall lineup for CBS (I doubt the joke travels well). At least 2 new television shows are based around making fun of the "millenial" generation, and from the promos the jokes and themes aren't too far from what you'd find here (except, you know, american and lazy comedy).
I did want to start a topic asking for advice for what rules you'd include in an unhelpful forum response drinking game.
Off the top of my head, drink every time someone says:
"instant gratification" as an insult
"muh immershuns" as an insult
You're playing the wrong game
You're playing the game wrong
"I have no problem with idea X but I'd rather they spend time on feature Y"
"I win button"
Dismisses dissenting opinion as whiners
"Elite isn't for everybody"
I'd have had to give up my car keys from this thread alone already.
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No more toxic than the wider 'human' community has become in general in my view.
People love to hate seems to be the mantra for the 21st century.
(we are not all toxic tho!)
People love to hate seems to be the mantra for the 21st century.
(we are not all toxic tho!)
Every online community is toxic, always the case with any large gaming communities.
Yeah, there's no getting around it. All gaming communities develop these kinds of issues after a while.
This community has put out so many tools and mods for the game, so that alone could make me see with rose colored glasses here. But, compared to other MMOs, this is not a toxic community.
I came from Mechwarrior Online, where you're now paying minimum 20 dollars per mech, 70 if you want the full boat. Every month it seems they release a mech but cannot complete their gameplay progress goals. It's like World of Warships or World of Tanks but with more cash paid out, and people filled with the vitriol of a thousand aborted fetuses that would have cured cancer if you had just given them the chance. They act exactly that way too.
When I log on to the Mechwarrior forum a voice in my head says, “Where we're going you won't need eyes to see.”
I came from Mechwarrior Online, where you're now paying minimum 20 dollars per mech, 70 if you want the full boat. Every month it seems they release a mech but cannot complete their gameplay progress goals. It's like World of Warships or World of Tanks but with more cash paid out, and people filled with the vitriol of a thousand aborted fetuses that would have cured cancer if you had just given them the chance. They act exactly that way too.
When I log on to the Mechwarrior forum a voice in my head says, “Where we're going you won't need eyes to see.”
Why are the forums so toxic? Some types of games attract more socially awkward alpha wannabes than others.
Rafe Zetter
Banned
^^ this is THE quintessential representation of toxicity from the armchairm psychologist whom has no real life experience of why to base it on, and I'm certain he's not even trying to be ironic judging by his other posts - I cannot even find a word to decribe how gargantuan the irony is.
I've been toxic, sure, I was VERY vocal regarding many matters when the game was being developed; earned myself a ban more than once. The people who are vocal (and whom write a post more than 2 lines long) are the ones who actually care enough to take the time to post. For my own reasons, if you look at my sig, I have yet to play the game despite being a KS supporter, with a box set STILL unopened. I'm waiting until I see the game I was promised, and I'm determined to keep pushing Fdev and DB to deliver that promise, which in all liklihood will be another 3-4 years. Am I a socially awkward alpha wannabe? Hardly, but you only have my word on that, yet my list of life accomplishments after a very hard childhood is long and varied.... I'm not an alpha wannabee - I'm a wannadid, and there are lots of the "vocal" type people the same, it's easy to read a persons character from how they write, you read enough posts and you learn who they are.
The toxicity the OP mentioned comes from the 2 line post people, all mouth, no content. (sounds familiar *wink*)
Consider the opposite to a forum that decry's the dev's though - a forum where everyone is always praising the community and the developers regardless of what they do:
- Perma Greifing new players "GREAT!! this gives me an opportunity to learn how to take it on the chin and not get mad when I lose my last 3 hours playtime progress, over and over and over and over and over, this IS ELite Dangerous after all !!*happy smiling shiny face*"
- Spending weeks to get all the right Engineer mods only to have the NPC's have BETTER mods for insta PC kills "Amazing !!!! - I'm SOOOOO happy that I took all that time travelling around, seeing new places and generally grinding my butt off to get these now utterly useless mods that I cannot even store - THANKS Fdev!"
- Unkillable NPC's "Wow Fdev! What a genius stroke to make quest bounty NPC's unkillable! What a great 30 minute fight that was that I had absolutely zero chance of winning. I soo enjoyed spending two hours chasing that bounty NPC halfway across the system only to learn he's got infinite shield boosters and ammunition, and has now cost me half my total wealth in insurance buyout - that gives me more excuse to grind more moniez! SWEEET!"
- Commanders combat logging - (the black hole of PvP, condoned by Fdev by way of how they set up the P2P system, an exploit that will forever exist) "Guys! I just had an AMAZING experience, the fight of my life!!! I was flying in SC when I got interdicted by a commander, I thought about just running but decided to give it my best because PvP is part of the game right? Now or Never. So we went at it like pro's, two commanders, testing the skill of the other. It was obvious I was outgunned from the start, but I hung in there using guile to match his power, I ran and hid in an asteroid field let my shields recoup and I went cold to find a place to ambush him.... and it worked! I totally had the drop and had his shields down before he knew where I was coming from, he was on the run after that and I just kept pounding him, manouvre after manouvre - my heart was racing, my hands were sweaty - I was flying as though I was hooked in to the ship herself, I almost couldn't beleive it; this would be my first PvP commander kill and a win for the little guys; his overconfidence would be his downfall and moved in for the final strike, all pips to guns and with just 5% hull, he just vanished before my eyes, not in an exploding ship, just vanished... he must have combat logged. I was ecstatic he had combat logged because he was such a good opponent he deserved to cheat, denying me my first hard fought kill, it gave me the reward I had so looked forward to. PvP IS AMAZING!!"
It just doesn't work does it? Even being nice, it comes across as sarcasm because people know these situations aren't good for the players.
The truth is Fdev HAVE made some..... questionable...... game implementation and design choices - and have been extremely quiet about a LOT of aspects of the game that were promised and yet to materialize or aspects that BADLY need to be addressed.
Fact is, if people didn't say anything, Fdev wouldn't know they messed up and when people have aspects of the game they have sunk possibly 1,000's of hours into, break, - it's not surprising this shows in their "less than happy" posts.
Calm dialogue takes two parts and Fdev resolutely don't like to talk, so they get shouted at instead.
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Much of it is just nerd passion about where the game could be and where it could go. Some of it is general unhappiness that isn't likely to be resolved. In reality, the more toxic posts are dealt with in a reasonable amount of time and don't exist or aren't seen by many. I don't generally feel the community is at the point where we need to discuss it as a community though.
As some have noted, the level of toxicity is a direct result of the company and their product. Good companies with good products have good social media sites with civil activity. There's papers published on this if one has doubts.
This forum is a total reflection of FDev's actions. Don't blame the people posting (except for the truly troublesome few... )
This forum is a total reflection of FDev's actions. Don't blame the people posting (except for the truly troublesome few...
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Different games have different social demographics, this is not new information to anyone. This extends to movies and television also. Did you know that Star Trek viewers have a statistically higher chance of being a child molester than the average person?
Certain games attract spergs, certain games attract jocks, certain games attract females. What makes you think I base this common knowledge on no experience is baffling to me since you don't know me, or what I do for a living.
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99% of the rage and compulsive complaining comes from 1% of the forum base. I just ignore them or sometimes give them a taste of there own medicine, they don't like that.
At the end of the day the facts are this "Elite dangererous is the best and possibly only game of it's type on the market today and both those things are a credit to frontier Developments and DB. It's not a game for everybody and some refuse to understand that.
But yes i see your point it is quite depressing reading some of the s.... that is posted on here.
Some will even use this thread as an excuse to complain about the game, irony 101, they just can't help themselves.
At the end of the day the facts are this "Elite dangererous is the best and possibly only game of it's type on the market today and both those things are a credit to frontier Developments and DB. It's not a game for everybody and some refuse to understand that.
But yes i see your point it is quite depressing reading some of the s.... that is posted on here.
Some will even use this thread as an excuse to complain about the game, irony 101, they just can't help themselves.
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ITS A 10 YEAR GAME! you clueless noob dweeb!!!!!
....sorry, i couldn't resist adding some toxic sarcasm. re y
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(feel free to sling some mud back my way
Are you talking about the game or the average age of the players.
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