UA Mystery thread 4 - The Canonn

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Derthek

Derthek
Michael Brookes said:
Considering some of the posts I've seen it may be too late for that :)

Michael
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Just remember those of us who will gladly open fire on CMDRs who get violent during a first contact scenario. I'm more than happy to welcome the Thargoids/AI/Tardigrades or what ever the UA are.

I'll be lugging a military grade Gun Ship out to Merope on a peace keeping mission :D not all of us want war


EAGLE 5 said:
Not quite :D see above.
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Sorry, it's just what I say ever time I join a match in an online game haha

[video=youtube_share;jr0JaXfKj68]https://youtu.be/jr0JaXfKj68[/video]
 
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BEKTOP 3APEMOB

BEKTOP 3APEMOB
Michael Brookes said:
Considering some of the posts I've seen it may be too late for that :)

Michael
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Oh yeah! :)

No more solving problems by selling the right container to a station. I really like to see brute force science (along with other passive bystanders) being punished by alien brute force :)


UPD: please pass them a note that I never made wrong to any UAs (not even scooped them) - only politely came close to say hello.
And always criticized brute and aggressive CIRG methods - that's no way to greet new friends :D
 
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Spaceburger

Spaceburger
Hey Canonneers. I found my first UA on the way back from visiting the Plaiedes and it (she?)'s a beauty.


After a good while of just sitting and observing, I was quite frightened at first, but the longer I chilled with the UA the more comfortable I felt before deciding to scoop her up.
I just wanted to see and hear one with my own eyes but now I'm carrying it... I decided to create a rather professional (if i do say so myself) image of a UA and what I think it might actually be.

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As terrifying as this could be, it might not be so bad after all. A thought formed in my mind... What if the Artifact is just calling out because its lonely?
Maybe it doesn't want to damage our ships, but it hates being carried as cargo.
I gave the thing a good hug after scooping it up. My skin feels a bit numb where I touched it and my eyes are kinda sore from staring at it... But I'm sure that's only temporary...

Anyhow I've decided not to sell my UA. I showed it to a friend who was happy to see one for the first time, but I couldn't let him look too long... Its my UA and my UA is with me.
Ive made a small bed area behind my seat where she sits most of the time.. Ive gotta say its pretty loud in the cockpit now. It is a wonderful Artifact though and I'm very happy to have one :)
 

EAGLE 5

EAGLE 5
Spaceburger said:
Hey Canonneers. I found my first UA on the way back from visiting the Plaiedes and it (she?)'s a beauty.

[url]http://i.imgur.com/QV2lzDz.png?1[/URL]

After a good while of just sitting and observing, I was quite frightened at first, but the longer I chilled with the UA the more comfortable I felt before deciding to scoop her up.
I just wanted to see and hear one with my own eyes but now I'm carrying it... I decided to create a rather professional (if i do say so myself) image of a UA and what I think it might actually be.

http://i.imgur.com/3bXavqz.png

As terrifying as this could be, it might not be so bad after all. A thought formed in my mind... What if the Artifact is just calling out because its lonely?
Maybe it doesn't want to damage our ships, but it hates being carried as cargo.
I gave the thing a good hug after scooping it up. My skin feels a bit numb where I touched it and my eyes are kinda sore from staring at it... But I'm sure that's only temporary...

Anyhow I've decided not to sell my UA. I showed it to a friend who was happy to see one for the first time, but I couldn't let him look too long... Its my UA and my UA is with me.
Ive made a small bed area behind my seat where she sits most of the time.. Ive gotta say its pretty loud in the cockpit now. It is a wonderful Artifact though and I'm very happy to have one :)
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Judging by your demeanor if you saw SOLUS (the video) you'd probably burst into tears.

Such gentle souls.
 

fyo

F
Our options are fairly narrow. MB said we can stop the spreading NOW, that precludes synthesis, meta materials etc.

That leaves pretty much only two options:

1. SELL
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2. SHOOT

The latter would involve everyone going full Huros on the shell. Personally, I don't think this is likely to be the answer.

Selling is more complex and contains at least two sub-questions:

A. What.
B. Where.

Let's be logical and think this through, then get trucking. I'm personally not partial to the "can't get unless elite" items, but maybe. Rares or normal goods would be my guess.

Am I missing anything obvious?
 

Nicholas Powell

Nicholas Powell
Derthek said:
Just remember those of us who will gladly open fire on CMDRs who get violent during a first contact scenario. I'm more than happy to welcome the Thargoids/AI/Tardigrades or what ever the UA are.

I'll be lugging a military grade Gun Ship out to Merope on a peace keeping mission :D not all of us want war
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Not going to be short a wing request on that, Derth. o7 Continued Contact is the way.

Just dropping this here...

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Nicholas Powell

Nicholas Powell
EAGLE 5 said:
That line of thinking didn't get far in Nuremberg....

Just saying.

:D
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Plus, I've never seen Huros and Hermann Goring in the same instance. Have you? 'Course, that could be an instancing issue but I doubt it...

(There again, I've never seen him in the same instance as Bambi. Fair's fair.)
 
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fyo

F
Expounding on the idea of SELLING:

The WHERE would seem obvious. Either an affected (but not too affected) station or Prof. Palin's place.

The WHAT is the big issue. If we take the Heike Ceremonial Tea as the template, there was no way of knowing it. The answer was basically given in a Galnet news post. The in-game description for the tea provided zero clues. So in that case we have tons and tons of goods with no known minimum to hit. That would be... annoying.

Hopefully, there's a little more to it. Logical deductions (real world properties plus in-game descriptions) could narrow the search in that case.

According to Thrudds, there are 92 commodities (incl. ancient artifact, sap8, UA, etc) and 110 rares.

I get the arguments about the SAP 8 and Hafnium, but it's not an easy one to test. Did we include it in the recent rares test? What about the dozen that someone was holding? Have they been sold? Where?

Ancient Artifacts and AI Relics... They're so hard to find... hard to test.

Of the non-rare commodities, what are some obvious candidates? I'll happily truck in a few hundred of each if we can narrow it down a bit.
 

Han_Zen

Han_Zen
fyo said:
Our options are fairly narrow. MB said we can stop the spreading NOW, that precludes synthesis, meta materials etc.

That leaves pretty much only two options:

1. SELL
-
2. SHOOT

The latter would involve everyone going full Huros on the shell. Personally, I don't think this is likely to be the answer.

Selling is more complex and contains at least two sub-questions:

A. What.
B. Where.

Let's be logical and think this through, then get trucking. I'm personally not partial to the "can't get unless elite" items, but maybe. Rares or normal goods would be my guess.

Am I missing anything obvious?
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I think we should start by dumping a bunch off Master Chefs at Bond Hub. If a combination of ingredienses are needed, we need someone who knows recepies. :)
 

Sigon

Sigon
fyo said:
According to Thrudds, there are 92 commodities (incl. ancient artifact, sap8, UA, etc) and 110 rares.
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Perhaps taking it a little bit too literal, but if we can now stop the spread, has there been any rare introduced quite recently?

Also, even if there are discussions that the game mechanic don't make sense (but hey, it's a game, sometimes you need to take liberties), we were told ships could not yet be protected from the UA/Toxic canisters, but that doesn't mean a commodity can't stop the effects on a station.
 

Edith_The_Hutt

Edith_The_Hutt
TFW Primus said:
A lot of us agree with this. We discussed almost the exact same thing in thread 3, i believe. Good to see more people agreeing with this. Now we just need a way to prove it :)
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Well, if we extrapolate a little from my speculation:

1) If the UAs have a higher set of dimensions then they should be have a higher mass than their three dimensional extrusion would suggest. This is hard to measure but it may be testable in gravitational active environments, indeed there may be some slight deviation from Merope orientation if a large gravity well interrupts the connection between the UA and the Merope construct.

2) A spinning object such as a space station which has an unbalanced center of mass in a higher dimension will start to precess in that dimension, so eventually we may see entire chunks or sections of station being pulled into higher dimensional planes.

3) It may be possible to anchor the UA holding object in place with a particular material. As a result I'd recommend focusing "stop or cure" attempts focus on commodities with acknowledged unknown or unusual properties such as Sothis Gold, Prototype Technology, Alien Artifacts and the Hutton Mug.

4) It may be possible to induce a higher dimensional rotation or movement in the Unknown Artifacts by an colliding them obliquely with a higher dimensional object such as another UA (ideally a spinning one) or a ship entering witchspace (or a high-energy wake)

Ordinarily I'd try some of these perfectly rational suggestions myself but I'm afraid I'm currently 17Kly from the bubble on an urgent mission to throw a novelty mug into a supermassive black hole and won't be back until well after Horizons launches which may signal another change in UA behaviour so I'll put them here in case anyone is bored and wants to poke a UA with a hyper-dimensional stick in my absence.
 
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tiger61378

tiger61378
I wonder if we should look at commodities that are known to stop/prevent radiation, and are somewhat common (if it can stop the spread it might be something that's easily accessible, but not commonly traded). Maybe low value commodities with radiation proofing ability? Hmm...has anyone tried dumping a massive amount of lead in with a UA (can't remember if it happened, but there's a LOT of pages here)? Might be an idea to cut down on the radioactive decay...although I'm sure its been tried.
 

TFW Primus

TFW Primus
Further to this, it was discussed that it's possible that when the UA "dies" it is actually returning to it's interdimentional home. If you look carefully when it "dies" there appears to be some weird tearing of the fabric of spacetime. Or, maybe it's just exploding ;)
 

fyo

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Is the morse behaviour telling us to use a transport ship? If it's a commodity we need to transport, and not the UAs themselves, is there any way the UA could indicate which one? Maybe morse if commodity is dropped next to one, maybe realign? This is probably over thinking it in terms of game mechanics, though...
 

Patau82

Patau82
Sigon said:
Perhaps taking it a little bit too literal, but if we can now stop the spread, has there been any rare introduced quite recently?

Also, even if there are discussions that the game mechanic don't make sense (but hey, it's a game, sometimes you need to take liberties), we were told ships could not yet be protected from the UA/Toxic canisters, but that doesn't mean a commodity can't stop the effects on a station.
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every single rare commodity and salvage item currently available in the game has been sold at bond hub as well as all the stuff from convoys, science, antiques, hafnium, sap8 ect
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If the virus effects tech will selling infected consumer goods, computer components, ect help spread it??
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Land T ships in infected stations, to cure them :D
 
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