Might do, thanks- although I'm inherently nervous about any binary interpretation of the data because every attempt we've had so far to do so has always been 'forced' in some way.
Then there are the questions of exactly what data you have if you extract a sequence of ones and zeroes (the ways in which of doing so are often multitudinous, and spurious(!)):
- Could be text (in which case, what encoding is it? ASCII? 7 or 8 bits? UTF-7/8/16/32? Some kind of MBCS? Big/Little Endian?)
- Could be numbers (signed or unsigned integer or floating point, with 8/16/32/64/128 bit binary and decimal possibilities across the two number types)
- Could be assembler op codes...
- Could be tomorrow's lottery results...
There's just too many possibilities that require an outside-context leap of faith to get right for my liking.
In the end, the reason the morse was discovered was because one or more very bright members of this community took a theory that was very easily verifiable, and verified it. Regarding your own work - I think I speak for all of us when I say that your inexhaustible drive to do your research and test & re-test does us all a huge service
Like you say... It was designed by humans, for humans to discover - so it stands to reason that a human brain should be able to identify the underlying order and figure out what it all means, pulses, high/low pitches, green/purple flashes, or whatever. It's just going to take time, and we all have an awful lot of that between us!
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I do use a spreadsheet, I will look into a Google one tomorrow.
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Thank you, I will log in tomorrow morning to quickly check.
Might do, thanks
Then there are the questions of exactly what data you have if you extract a sequence of ones and zeroes (the ways in which of doing so are often multitudinous, and spurious(!)):
- Could be text (in which case, what encoding is it? ASCII? 7 or 8 bits? UTF-7/8/16/32? Some kind of MBCS? Big/Little Endian?)
- Could be numbers (signed or unsigned integer or floating point, with 8/16/32/64/128 bit binary and decimal possibilities across the two number types)
- Could be assembler op codes...
- Could be tomorrow's lottery results...
There's just too many possibilities that require an outside-context leap of faith to get right for my liking.
In the end, the reason the morse was discovered was because one or more very bright members of this community took a theory that was very easily verifiable, and verified it. Regarding your own work - I think I speak for all of us when I say that your inexhaustible drive to do your research and test & re-test does us all a huge service
Like you say... It was designed by humans, for humans to discover - so it stands to reason that a human brain should be able to identify the underlying order and figure out what it all means, pulses, high/low pitches, green/purple flashes, or whatever. It's just going to take time, and we all have an awful lot of that between us!
I would say that if it is binary, it would be a simple 8 digit binary with no encoding.
As for a start point, use the honk as that is what the morse uses and what I have used.
So I'm a jerk and went to Guinna anyhow (after seeing the description on Exphiay, it made me confident Guinna wasn't the final destination). Nothing crazy or new happened. I also think I saw a higher purple to green ratio (not greener as expected). Would be good to compare against another UA. Video is up at http://youtu.be/8MC3M6ddudc (with sound).
I couldn't get a price at the station, because there was no black market. I won't touch the other systems/stations & await any other theories/destinations to try.
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From the coordinates in the spread sheet, Im thinking positive Y coordinate as well. Maybe a 120:0:80 to 130:40:90 area.
If you are in the area, check the local systems as it is still a theory.
Have you tried duplicating the test in the same system to see if the ratio is the same?
Cool, thanks. You can probably just copy & paste your data over. I tried to find some patterns in the flashes, but failed (not that that means anything). Are they really random, or is it always the same sequence in a given system?
I think this is new for 1.3 - I can't remember whether video's I've seen exhibit this flashing.
That said, it could be something as simple as different graphical settings. If we've missed clues due to low GFX settings... grrr!
EDIT: Just found a video from Digiscream that clearly shows the purple/green pulses - this is from the original discovery in v1.2
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I always saw the colours but hadn't gotten anywhere on getting the pattern till I just started counting the ratio.
Mr tree, I watched your video and I would agree that purple is the dominant colour.
I started counting when you went external veiw and had the camera on the ua.
I got 6 green and 10 purple.
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The only test I did showed a different order sequence but I didn't think to count the ratio at that time as I was thinking that they might be colour pulse morse giving out coordinates.
Nice work everyone. Pretty fun to watch what cha guys are doing.
Only question i have is why would an alien race use Morse code or any coding system we would use?
Also i just watched a video of the mars rover on space.com The audio they used was from the accelerometer on the rover and it does king of sound like the sound recordings you get from the artifact. Without the honking.
Only question i have is why would an alien race use Morse code or any coding system we would use?
Also i just watched a video of the mars rover on space.com The audio they used was from the accelerometer on the rover and it does king of sound like the sound recordings you get from the artifact. Without the honking.
I'm wondering how far away from a currently unidentified star or planet can the UA identify and broadcast its ident by Morse.
I would expect a 'range' similar to our DSS - but it might have a range all its own!?
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I'm personally with Wishblend on this, in a way, and have been for a while: it's either not alien, but ancient human; or its origin is human but has been 'infected' somehow by alien life/tech.
I would expect a 'range' similar to our DSS - but it might have a range all its own!?
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I'm personally with Wishblend on this, in a way, and have been for a while: it's either not alien, but ancient human; or its origin is human but has been 'infected' somehow by alien life/tech.
The only pattern I've seen is that they are approximately every 10 seconds.
Murp's video does not exibit the AOE pulse. There are clear lighting effects on the surface of the UA however - the 'head' is predominately purple, the 'pods' predominately green.
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I have not but was planning to record some later tonight (~3 hours from now). I'll hit up whatever systems are close from your spreadsheet screenshot & compare.
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Cool, I wasn't sure if I was miscounting or what. I can't get my brain off the pitches the UA uses, so I've been struggling to hear high-low morse all this time (wrong, it's the length) & wasn't sure if I was counting this the right way or not. Thanks!
I got 7 green, 17 purple for a ratio of 0.29, but I carried on counting on external view, then internal view right up until it goes out of sight from the cockpit.
But that was the first time I've tried counting the pulses, so my method might not be a honed as Wishblend's and mrtree's.
This stuff always seems to get most interesting while I am at work....
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The green/purple pulses I notice from the spreadsheet are not always the same number. Do they correspond in any way with the composition of the system the UA is in? Example: Pulse one would be the star. Lets say the system you are trying to hem in one would have a Class M star. If its there, UA flashes green, on any other type star, purple. Second flash might represent a planet of specific type, and so on. Is there any correlation between the known green/purple pulse sequences and the composition of the systems on that list? My point is the UA may not be pointing in a direction like a homing beacon but rather is looking for a specific system, or system pattern, of which there could possible be more than one.
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The green/purple pulses I notice from the spreadsheet are not always the same number. Do they correspond in any way with the composition of the system the UA is in? Example: Pulse one would be the star. Lets say the system you are trying to hem in one would have a Class M star. If its there, UA flashes green, on any other type star, purple. Second flash might represent a planet of specific type, and so on. Is there any correlation between the known green/purple pulse sequences and the composition of the systems on that list? My point is the UA may not be pointing in a direction like a homing beacon but rather is looking for a specific system, or system pattern, of which there could possible be more than one.
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All good points, I will have to go back over the records and see if there is a match to system specific things.
I am sure that each pulse sequence is different but as I have only done the one, we will see later today.
Just a heads up if anyone uses collector limpets on their UAs.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=164683
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=164683
Just a quick one. After reading wishblends ratios I started wondering what sort of device might measure proximity to something with seemingly random pulses as returned data.
A geiger counter. If wishblend is onto something, it's a possibility that could explain why the ua damages the ship like toxic waste, and support the ratio of pulses idea.
Just a brain dump
A geiger counter. If wishblend is onto something, it's a possibility that could explain why the ua damages the ship like toxic waste, and support the ratio of pulses idea.
Just a brain dump
You would know easily by just trying to match the first pulse on each to the star type. If each green corresponds to either a specific type, or something similar with each star - maybe it just has to be a main sequence star, though that's kind of broad.
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