Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn

mrtree · Jul 21, 2015

Ratking15 said:
Cool.........though I have been doing tests with it too, not just baby sitting it...

Wasn't trying to accuse you of just sitting or anything. I still think it's an accomplishment due to all the ways we've lost the UA & you're primarily (strictly?) in Open.

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rizal72 said:
So nice of you!

No, really, the fact is that I am really sad and feel so guilty for what happened last night to the UA.

So I've decided to pay my debt with the justice in a very "creative" way:
Mainly because it's the second time that mrTree loses an UA that he KINDLY lend to some other CMDR, with sincere thrust, I literally BEGGED Frontier Support to let mrTree get back his UA... And they replied me immediately!

FD is very sensible to the effort we are putting in the UA mystery but, unfortunately, they are not able to "add" canisters to a ship for some complicate reasons I will not explain here: in short, they can "delete" cargo from a ship, but cannot put it in.
Then, I've "jokingly" asked if they can make mrTree FIND another one in a "short time"... didn't get a reply, so far

BUT...

may I suggest to mrTree, when he comes up, to go hunting some SSS? You never know...

I hunted for about 3 hours last night. 1 with the Orca (which I quickly retired back to storage) & 2 with the Courier. All in Timocani. Nothing found.

Much as I would like my UA(s) back, I don't think we should ask FDev to mess with it (other than maybe bumping the overall availability if possible). I'm confident we'll find another soonish.

Dr.Evanzan · Jul 21, 2015

mrtree said:
Much as I would like my UA(s) back, I don't think we should ask FDev to mess with it (other than maybe bumping the overall availability if possible). I'm confident we'll find another soonish.

I really hope they bump the overall availability, all this searching is killing me.

Derthek · Jul 21, 2015

Dr.Evanzan said:
I really hope they bump the overall availability, all this searching is killing me.

I'm still wondering what the finders all have in common, if anything.

Han_Zen · Jul 21, 2015

Ratking15 said:
Uhhhhh did someone forget about the galnet news article that says that the UA spread the plague or something like that? Here's the link to it.....AGAIN: https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/55a52e349657baab7e3de738

Well it says that people spread the plauge.
If the UA is starting these plauges, it's not doing a very good job

Hardly it's primary function. It could still be infected, but i don't think it is an effective bio weapon.

Nicholas Powell · Jul 21, 2015

I'm inspired by that Cave Carson vid! So much so that, with no better methodological training, I just threw my brainbox at the wall. Sadly, it didn't stick but it did shake loose a few thoughts...

Could somebody please direct me to any footage or other documentation which records the systems damage caused by an Unknown Artefact?

Has the destructive escape of a UA through a ship's cargo hatch ever been directly observed by a second commander?

Also, from a completely different angle, perhaps because I slipped in all the biowaste while taking my run-up to the trampoline... Has a UA ever been taken back into SSSs (perhaps in the system it was snatched in) with a view to spurring a comms comment from a/the Navy convoy? (Or UA Morse for "Great! Those sorry sods again!")

knowles2 · Jul 21, 2015

Well Phages are typically use as a way to treat viruses. I wonder what would happen if we just let one explode over a planet with the outbreak, will it cure it.

Have anyone look for a pattern in the outbreak, perhaps we need to deliver the UA to the next star system in the pattern.

Ratking15 · Jul 21, 2015

mrtree said:
Wasn't trying to accuse you of just sitting or anything. I still think it's an accomplishment due to all the ways we've lost the UA & you're primarily (strictly?) in Open.

Didn't mean to sound pushy about it, just reminding and I've never gone into solo or group only open......infact I think the only time I've got into group or solo ever was due to a request of someone or when I was needing just some time to think and not get interdicted.

Also I have to say......but are we really just rediscovering that the UA is phage like from that galnet news article? Let alone that's it's related to the plague....
If yes:

[video=youtube;HlarOMLD59A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlarOMLD59A[/video]

If no:

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Han_Zen said:
Well it says that people spread the plauge.
If the UA is starting these plauges, it's not doing a very good job

Hardly it's primary function. It could still be infected, but i don't think it is an effective bio weapon.

Because I think the fed's have been stopping it maybe. I did say about a theory I came up with but it was suicidal for the UA so didn't do it and was mostly ignored.

woodhouse · Jul 21, 2015

VID 8 = May we need to write the UA audio to a Video 8 tape and replay it in an old camera?

knowles2 · Jul 21, 2015

Well the Phage info wasn't on the wiki last time I check.

mrtree · Jul 21, 2015

Derthek said:
I'm still wondering what the finders all have in common, if anything.

The commonality is that we're all flying spaceships & entering Strong Signal Sources. :trollface:

Allitnil · Jul 21, 2015

Those of us old enough to have played the original Elite are quite likely to be familiar with the Masquerade puzzle book from a few years earlier, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masquerade_(book) and I can't help but think there's a lot in common with the UA hunt. The Bamber Gascoigne quote from that link does seem to sum up a lot of what this thread & its precursor has been about:

"Tens of thousands of letters from Masqueraders have convinced me that the human mind has an equal capacity for pattern-matching and self-deception. While some addicts were busy cooking the riddle, others were more single-mindedly continuing their own pursuit of the hare quite regardless of the news that it had been found. Their own theories had come to seem so convincing that no exterior evidence could refute them. These most determined of Masqueraders may grudgingly have accepted that a hare of some sort was dug up at Ampthill, but they believed there would be another hare, or a better solution, awaiting them at their favourite spot. Kit would expect them to continue undismayed by the much publicised diversion at Ampthill and would be looking forward to the day when he would greet them as the real discoverers of the real puzzle of Masquerade. Optimistic expeditions were still setting out, with shovels and maps, throughout the summer of 1982."

Maybe you've already "solved" it. Maybe the morse is all there is to it. Does there have to be more? And, at the end of the day, would any of us know?

FWIW, I spent many hours looking at the Masquerade book and never got even slightly close to the solution. Sometimes things are only ever obvious if you already know the answer...

warlock · Jul 21, 2015

Allitnil said:
Those of us old enough to have played the original Elite are quite likely to be familiar with the Masquerade puzzle book from a few years earlier, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masquerade_(book) and I can't help but think there's a lot in common with the UA hunt. The Bamber Gascoigne quote from that link does seem to sum up a lot of what this thread & its precursor has been about:

"Tens of thousands of letters from Masqueraders have convinced me that the human mind has an equal capacity for pattern-matching and self-deception. While some addicts were busy cooking the riddle, others were more single-mindedly continuing their own pursuit of the hare quite regardless of the news that it had been found. Their own theories had come to seem so convincing that no exterior evidence could refute them. These most determined of Masqueraders may grudgingly have accepted that a hare of some sort was dug up at Ampthill, but they believed there would be another hare, or a better solution, awaiting them at their favourite spot. Kit would expect them to continue undismayed by the much publicised diversion at Ampthill and would be looking forward to the day when he would greet them as the real discoverers of the real puzzle of Masquerade. Optimistic expeditions were still setting out, with shovels and maps, throughout the summer of 1982."

Maybe you've already "solved" it. Maybe the morse is all there is to it. Does there have to be more? And, at the end of the day, would any of us know?

FWIW, I spent many hours looking at the Masquerade book and never got even slightly close to the solution. Sometimes things are only ever obvious if you already know the answer...

I bought that book.....

Zenith · Jul 21, 2015

All this talk of Latin and numerals overlooked one possibility.
VID8
22, 9, 48?

Chaodiurn · Jul 21, 2015

Zenith said:
All this talk of Latin and numerals overlooked one possibility.
VID8
22, 9, 48?

The closest thing to that is LTT 1212. I don't think coordinates are what we're looking for.

mrtree · Jul 21, 2015

Allitnil said:
Those of us old enough to have played the original Elite are quite likely to be familiar with the Masquerade puzzle book from a few years earlier, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masquerade_(book) and I can't help but think there's a lot in common with the UA hunt. The Bamber Gascoigne quote from that link does seem to sum up a lot of what this thread & its precursor has been about:

"Tens of thousands of letters from Masqueraders have convinced me that the human mind has an equal capacity for pattern-matching and self-deception. While some addicts were busy cooking the riddle, others were more single-mindedly continuing their own pursuit of the hare quite regardless of the news that it had been found. Their own theories had come to seem so convincing that no exterior evidence could refute them. These most determined of Masqueraders may grudgingly have accepted that a hare of some sort was dug up at Ampthill, but they believed there would be another hare, or a better solution, awaiting them at their favourite spot. Kit would expect them to continue undismayed by the much publicised diversion at Ampthill and would be looking forward to the day when he would greet them as the real discoverers of the real puzzle of Masquerade. Optimistic expeditions were still setting out, with shovels and maps, throughout the summer of 1982."

Maybe you've already "solved" it. Maybe the morse is all there is to it. Does there have to be more? And, at the end of the day, would any of us know?

FWIW, I spent many hours looking at the Masquerade book and never got even slightly close to the solution. Sometimes things are only ever obvious if you already know the answer...

I agree with you on most all counts. Except that we've been told repeatedly that "we're close" (by Kerrash & unofficial mention by the devs at LaveCon) & that it's been said it will reveal a second puzzle/mystery. I'm struggling to find sources ATM. If we did not have those things, I would've been inclined to agree completely.

Edit: Sources -
* https://youtu.be/4RD6rmO_28s?t=11m12s (sometime shortly after this?)
* https://youtu.be/5Zcot0YI2gY?t=1h24m38s
* https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=165775&p=2529743&viewfull=1#post2529743 (Yaffle had posted a better quote earlier in the thread)

Han_Zen · Jul 21, 2015

Zenith said:
All this talk of Latin and numerals overlooked one possibility.
VID8
22, 9, 48?

Is VID8 confirmed as the only option for the secondary morse?

Grumbleweed · Jul 21, 2015

Allitnil said:
Maybe you've already "solved" it. Maybe the morse is all there is to it. Does there have to be more? And, at the end of the day, would any of us know?

FWIW, I spent many hours looking at the Masquerade book and never got even slightly close to the solution. Sometimes things are only ever obvious if you already know the answer...

I had that book, and loved it, but mainly for the pictures, as I was only 10. We have had a post-morse discovery hint from Kerrash that there is more to it, but he's an ambassador, not an employee, so take that how you want, and I joked earlier that we had figured it out but no one from FD had noticed, but I suspect that they won't be relying on a forum post to trigger the 'done it' alarm.

All of this is on the wiki by the way.

knowles2 said:
Well the Phage info wasn't on the wiki last time I check.

Including this. Please don't rely on 'other people' to update the wiki, if something is missing, add it, if its wrong, edit it.

I don't get the connection to the plague anyway, as I said a few pages back
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&p=2567341&viewfull=1#post2567341

GabrielG.A.B.Fonseca · Jul 21, 2015

You know what annoys me the most? We don't even know what we are looking for. In Masquerade, there was the legend of the golden Hare buried somewhere in England. Hence, the reader had to find location clues.

What are we looking after? Is it a message? Is it a location? Is it the content inside the Unknown Artifact itself?

We only ever found out about the Morse Beacon thing because Michael Brookes himself told us to "Listen" to the dammed thing.

If you tell a man to wander until he arrives, but he doesn't know were he is supposed to go, he may, one day, arrive there, but he himself will never know such.

Allitnil · Jul 21, 2015

mrtree said:
I agree with you on most all counts. Except that we've been told repeatedly that "we're close" (by Kerrash & unofficial mention by the devs at LaveCon) & that it's been said it will reveal a second puzzle/mystery. I'm struggling to find sources ATM. If we did not have those things, I would've been inclined to agree completely.

I've been meaning to ask, but what is Kerrash's involvement in all this and his official connection? I see he's a mod on the forum and I watched the linked video where he was potentially giving some info so I see how he's a cool guy and worth listening to, but is he some sort of (un)official spokesman for FDev with inside knowledge?

Zulu Romeo · Jul 21, 2015

Allitnil said:
I've been meaning to ask, but what is Kerrash's involvement in all this and his official connection? I see he's a mod on the forum and I watched the linked video where he was potentially giving some info so I see how he's a cool guy and worth listening to, but is he some sort of (un)official spokesman for FDev with inside knowledge?

He... knows things. Allegedly.