Victims of Piracy Support Group

I was running guns into Khaka yesterday and got interdicted by some clown in a Clipper, I was in a T6. Boost, chaff, repeat until I FSD out of there with 36% hull and all but two tons of my original cargo. I laughed so hard at this guy who couldnt kill a T6 in his Clipper, then I picked up my FDL and chased him out of the system. I am no victim, no matter what I am flying :)
Hehe nice one.
 
If you interdict me and you have the advantage because you are flying a viper/vulture and I am flying a t7, you will probably win. But why should I give up before trying?

How is your version where you fly a combat ship against trucks NOT a snorefest? If you were really after "excitement" you would be over at lugh fighting it out...

Well if someone outclasses you, it would be logical to listen to the guy who can easily kill you. But you're right, if traders listened to logic, rather than their heart, and greed, my job would be incredibly boring. It would basically be scoop and sell. Killing traders is too easy, however getting the most amount of cargo possible from them, is not.
 
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I'm not sure I answered to you earlier. Some people insisted on pirates forcing them to play the game their (the pirates) way and how bad that is. Plus the pirates rob their precious game time and all. We are not forcing anyone to do anything. Those, who do not want that experience have their options. And then I smoked about how some players use this protection to grind out the big ships peacefully and then some out to open and show off.

Everyone play in open only can be considered a hero. You realize that open is dangerous and you cope with it. Good.
Never drop a cargo willingly, good again. I personally like traders fighting back. Limpets are there for a reason. I wish they worked a little better against CMDRs, but I don't complain.
You don't cry when you get blasted by pirates for not playing along, great spirit, keep it up. We need defiant traders.
In game evasion is a valid tactic. Anyone who get angered by that is a moron. Only Combat logging annoys me slightly. It is just so easy to get away using valid in-game methods, that going solo should never be an option.
 
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Well if someone outclasses you, it would be logical to listen to the guy who can easily kill you. But you're right, if traders listened to logic, rather than their heart, and greed, my job would be incredibly boring. It would basically be scoop and sell. Killing traders is too easy, however getting the most amount of cargo possible from them, is not.

I'm just curious about something. How come we're not seeing piracy around the core empire worlds? Why is it all focused in a few areas?
 
I'm just curious about something. How come we're not seeing piracy around the core empire worlds? Why is it all focused in a few areas?
It's mainly focused around the Lave area because that was the original starting
Point of Elite and most people will eventually find their way there . It is also a source of rares.
 
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I'm just curious about something. How come we're not seeing piracy around the core empire worlds? Why is it all focused in a few areas?

Rares make you rich quickly, people like to get rich quickly. Pirates like people who are trying to get rich quickly. Lave hub is still good, but it's not as good as it was now that local area rares are worthless locally.
 
Well if someone outclasses you, it would be logical to listen to the guy who can easily kill you. But you're right, if traders listened to logic, rather than their heart, and greed, my job would be incredibly boring. It would basically be scoop and sell. Killing traders is too easy, however getting the most amount of cargo possible from them, is not.

You are just working with false assumptions, so applying logic will almost certainly yield wrong conclusions.

You think I should operate as though you killing me in-game has much larger consequences than it actually does. At the same time you take full advantage of the fact that currently piracy has little to no consequences. Do you see the double standard? Should I expect pirates to only dock in anarchy systems and be KoS in federation/alliance/empire? Of course not. That is not currently part of the game. So why would I play the way you want?

To be fair, you seem to be using limpets when a trader doesn't comply. I can at least respect that a bit more than the whining I have seen so far.
 
Should I expect pirates to only dock in anarchy systems and be KoS in federation/alliance/empire? Of course not. That is not currently part of the game. So why would I play the way you want?

Actually, as a pirate, I wouldn't mind if the game moved towards that situation, so long as interdiction was scaled to bounty and the number of police was related to system security.
 

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Well if someone outclasses you, it would be logical to listen to the guy who can easily kill you. But you're right, if traders listened to logic, rather than their heart, and greed, my job would be incredibly boring. It would basically be scoop and sell. Killing traders is too easy, however getting the most amount of cargo possible from them, is not.

People will fight for the smallest and strangest of things sir.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFtHjV4c4uw
 
You are just working with false assumptions, so applying logic will almost certainly yield wrong conclusions.

You think I should operate as though you killing me in-game has much larger consequences than it actually does. At the same time you take full advantage of the fact that currently piracy has little to no consequences. Do you see the double standard? Should I expect pirates to only dock in anarchy systems and be KoS in federation/alliance/empire? Of course not. That is not currently part of the game. So why would I play the way you want?

To be fair, you seem to be using limpets when a trader doesn't comply. I can at least respect that a bit more than the whining I have seen so far.

Well you dieing does have bigger implications on you. You lose all your cargo and have to pay insurance, that's a couple hours of work. If that's not a big deal to you that's fine, but it's not an insignificant penalty.

You're right that pirates have it easy, kill someone and only pay a small fee. You're also wanted by the inept police force, which is more adorable then fearsome. I welcome harder higher consequences for piracy. I even keep my bounty for that reason, but except for the occasion player bounty hunter it's riskfree.

I do try to use limpets when I can but they're not much use against type 6s and cobras. They're also pointless unless the cargo us really valuable. Who wants to scoop up 12 tons of worthless cargo across 7km of space?

I'm just curious about something. How come we're not seeing piracy around the core empire worlds? Why is it all focused in a few areas?

Well lave is the rare capital which attracts pirates. It's also heavily populated which attracts pirates.

I also think most pirates are empire supporters. Since the clipper is the best pirate vessel in the game, I'd imagine quite a few pirates have a fondness for the Empire. I know I play as an empire privateer, and code supports the Empire, I'd imagine it is that way with most pirates. Go to sol and you might run into some pirates.
 
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Well you dieing does have bigger implications on you. You lose all your cargo and have to pay insurance, that's a couple hours of work. If that's not a big deal to you that's fine, but it's not an insignificant penalty.

You're right that pirates have it easy, kill someone and only pay a small fee. You're also wanted by the inept police force, which is more adorable then fearsome. I welcome harder higher consequences for piracy. I even keep my bounty for that reason, but except for the occasion player bounty hunter it's riskfree.

I do try to use limpets when I can but they're not much use against type 6s and cobras. They're also pointless unless the cargo us really valuable. Who wants to scoop up 12 tons of worthless cargo across 7km of space?



Well lave is the rare capital which attracts pirates. It's also heavily populated which attracts pirates.

I also think most pirates are empire supporters. Since the clipper is the best pirate vessel in the game, I'd imagine quite a few pirates have a fondness for the Empire. I know I play as an empire privateer, and code supports the Empire, I'd imagine it is that way with most pirates. Go to sol and you might run into some pirates.

Long live the Empire!
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I pirate only Federation ships, the scum lmao.
 
The police force can be really annoying. They have a tendency to pull me over just 2 secs before I would start an interdiction. Plus I can't scoop more than 2-3 tons with 3 police banging my shields away. And finally, they insist on scanning me. If I can't gat far enough fast enough, they give me a hefty ticket for illicit cargo. And if I kill them afterward I end up with +18k bounty on my head over the ticket. Annoying.
And they never drop anything. I hoped for stuff like weapons, military plans or the like.

Pirating in a Clipper sounds boring. I go about in a Viper because combat oriented players tend to fight back. "Ohh puny Viper with a Competent pilot, I'm an Expert in an ASP or Vulture so I can trash it quickly." Meanwhile if they see a clipper, I think they would run like hell.
 
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Well lave is the rare capital which attracts pirates. It's also heavily populated which attracts pirates.

I also think most pirates are empire supporters. Since the clipper is the best pirate vessel in the game, I'd imagine quite a few pirates have a fondness for the Empire. I know I play as an empire privateer, and code supports the Empire, I'd imagine it is that way with most pirates. Go to sol and you might run into some pirates.

This would probably be why I've not been pirated yet, just randomly interdicted and attacked without a word by random sidewinders.

Still, when that corvette comes out I might be tempted to head into Fed space and start racking up reputation over there. Then I might see ya'all trying to steal my liquor.:D
 
The police force can be really annoying. They have a tendency to pull me over just 2 secs before I would start an interdiction. Plus I can't scoop more than 2-3 tons with 3 police banging my shields away. And finally, they insist on scanning me. If I can't gat far enough fast enough, they give me a hefty ticket for illicit cargo. And if I kill them afterward I end up with +18k bounty on my head over the ticket. Annoying.
And they never drop anything. I hoped for stuff like weapons, military plans or the like.

Travel out of their firing range and press Del to go into silent running. Wait for them to jump away. Then go back for the remaining cargo.
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It helps to stick to killing Cobra, ASP and Type-6 Transporters. You should have just enough time to kill them and scoop the cargo before the old bill turn up. If not your weapon load-out is wrong or you need to allocate more pips to them.
 
I have read the threads about piracy as a legitimate career choice and, for the most part, I have agreed with the philosophy that ED needs all types of players to create the atmosphere of a real living society in space with all the beauty, wonder, violence and horror of the real world.
I have played as a trader, an explorer, a bounty hunter and a soldier and have lost myself in these roles as my imagination feeds on the images created by the game.
Occasionally on my travels, I have come across other players in remote places and greeted them with a "g'day" and a "fly safe" and moved along feeling like it was a small universe after all.
On occasion I have been pulled out of a frameshift daydream by AI pirates and depending on what ship I am flying I would run or fight and be happy to escaped with cargo or bounty with no ill effect.
Being an Elite fan since the old BBC version in 1984 I decided I should make the pilgrimage to Lave at least once. Last stop on the way was Diso where I docked to refuel and picked up 4 tonnes (was flying my cobra) of rare goods for about 300 cr each. I jump to Lave and within 30 seconds of arriving I get interdicted. As per usual I throttle back for an easy exit and first thing I do on exit is 4 pips to engines and hit the booster to get a little space while I decide next course of action. I see that my attacker is a human pilot in an Imperial Clipper. First time but that's ok I have nothing of value. I'm about to open the chat window for the usual "g'day" then the demand comes " Drop 30t of cargo or I will destroy you" . HUH!? WHA!? I don't have any cargo of value what do I do. This has never happened to me before. I know I have easily destroy elite AI clippers but this is a human.
I must have thought about it too long (about 10 seconds by my reckoning) and suddenly he opened fire. At least give me long enough to get to the cargo window or type a reply for crying out loud.
At the first shot my shields collapsed ..there's no way I could take this guy. I hit the booster and started to charge up the FSD. My heat went through the roof and not only was this guy gaining on me and chewing away at my hull but the heat was eating away from the inside. I took forever for the FSD to charge up and by the time I jumped I was down to 58% hull.
"Whew" I thought " I got away" ...but no a few seconds later the alarms went off again and this time I fought like a marlin but he managed to pull me out of frameshift again. This time I knew I couldn't fight. I went straight to the cargo bay and dumped my 1200 cr worth of cargo.
My assailant quipped me with some rhetorical politeness that made my skin crawl and I sent back a resigned "Whatever".
I jumped away and docked in Lave and repaired about 12000cr worth of damage.
I sat there for ages and all I could think was "What a sad experience that was".
This cad had just attacked me.
I didn't feel the frustration that I feel when my son snipers me at the spawn point 20 times in a row in halo. I didn't feel the disappointment that I feel when I finally succumb to 7 better players in AOE. These feelings pass within seconds and I go back for another game.
I had come to Lave as a pilgrimage. I was feeling nostalgic, happy, cruising through the galaxy hurting nothing and nobody and I was snapped out of it by someone who thinks it is OK to take what others have, what others have worked for. I felt like I had been mugged ..not my character ..me ..violated.
I had thought before about whether pirating was something I should try but now I know that I never will. I don't want to make other players feel like this ..it is just wrong.
Yeah I know all the pirates are screaming "what I wuss. why don't you go to Mobius or solo" but as Nietzsche : "That which does not kill us, makes us stronger".

I will stay in open as I always have but I will not hesitate again, next time I WILL kill you. You will not get one scrap of my cargo even if I have to jettison and destroy it myself. My mission now is pirates, human pirates. I am coming for you.

Let me know when you want to team up. I am more than willing to help you hunt down some pirates.
 
I use 1B limpets. So they take like 24 secs to syphon. I usually just start the scooping when the police shows up. I didn't know they actually jump away. I will try this silent running tactic tonight.
 
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