Modes WARNING: A new type of trolling.... (MOVING TO MOBIUS)

[Pyrotiger]

No, the OP is saying what the hell do you do about gameplay trolls?

Well, you've been a member since...2015 according to your profile, so I'm surprised you don't know much about this.

Report it to FD and see what they do. Look back at the human commanders listed in your communication panel - surely it's one of them. Keep below speed limit in open. Yes, it's a poor mechanic that hasn't been solved. Have a good day.

 

[Stigbob]

Am I the only one who enjoys station speeding and does it every time ?, hitting the pad at full whack with the control tower acting as a brake is the only way to arrive in style.

 

[sovapid]

I'm unconvinced here. Somebody do a trial - take a sidey, equip no shields, bash it off the side of station once to get your hull down to below 50% and jump out on another player. See what happens.

If you are going under 100 m/s, the sidewinder will just explode off the side of you and nothing else will happen.

It is reasonably satisfying when they fling themselves at you like lemmings taking the final plunge.

 

[Gunnet]

Sure, the malicious player is a bunghole. I wouldnt hold it against anyone if they'd block him. But this whole 'it wasn't my fault other people are evil!' complaining is antithetical to the Elite universe. This is a game, and it is your job (especially in anarchy) to be mindful of all kinds of nasty people and NPCs. This is easy to spot. It is easy to counter. So the best thing to do is just be sensible. Of course the 'griefer' is 'responsible', but who cares.

Really, imagine how the elite novels would be if the main characters were like the OP. God, it would be terrible. Just hundreds of pages of "thats not fair!".

For what it's worth, as a practical matter there is merit in pointing out how it's a good idea to keep an eye on your sensors and be prepared to stay below 100m/s. I certainly don't fly above the speed limit near other players, even in Mobius or Fleetcomm.

My issue with most of the posts saying it is just that it's usually presented less as "here's how you avoid station griefers" and more as "you didn't prevent yourself being griefed so the attacker bears no blame whatsoever".

 

[sovapid]

Am I the only one who enjoys station speeding and does it every time ?, hitting the pad at full whack with the control tower acting as a brake is the only way to arrive in style.

Depends on the ship I am in and the bandwidth in the instance.

For what it's worth, as a practical matter there is merit in pointing out how it's a good idea to keep an eye on your sensors and be prepared to stay below 100m/s.

Even that isn't foolproof if the weasel in the sidewinder is using silent running.

 

[duckofdeath]

This is not a new way to grief players. It's just one of the many "features" in the game that underlines how bad Frontier is at designing PvP games.
There's a reason only a fraction of a fraction of all players in this game plays in Open.

 

[Exeider]

If you are going under 100 m/s, the sidewinder will just explode off the side of you and nothing else will happen.

It is reasonably satisfying when they fling themselves at you like lemmings taking the final plunge.

Lol, nice analogy. Though however lemming suicide is a myth, but we get your point.

 

[akaliel]

Am I the only one who enjoys station speeding and does it every time ?, hitting the pad at full whack with the control tower acting as a brake is the only way to arrive in style.

I do, every time. Because flying fast and landing your ship is one of the only fun things to do in the game. It was no surprise to me when their solution to grieving was nerfing the fun part on the victim's side.

 

[Genus]

So apparently a dedicated PVE server is needed to stop this stupid behavior.

It is indeed.

Similar things have happened to me, three years ago in Open and we are not alone!

I haven't played that mode since. Happily a member of Mobius for those occasions and events that are important, otherwise play in Solo or other Private Groups.

Open is asking for trouble from those that love to deal in trouble. This type of sociopath is why I left Eve 10 years ago and haven't been back. Unfortunately, as Eve comes to the end of it's life cycle and this type of human get's bored, they come here to Open due to lack of alternatives. Just treat Open as that necessary experiment to marginalise the under performers.

I'm just grateful the majority feel the same so there's still hope for the game.

 

[Jukelo]

First, I'd argue 100m/s is way to slow. Seriously, feels like it takes forever. Needs to be increased, 150 at least. But even so, why on earth is a 250 credit fine cause for a death sentence. Come on. It's like getting busted going 35 in a 30 zone and the cop walks up, and shots you in the side of the head and then sets your car on fire. And then a bunch of you guys comment on the obituary, "Shouldn't have sped! Your fault!"

The thing with the speed limit is it can't be too high or else you're back to the old problem of big ships ramming small ships around station without consequence. 100m/s was chosen because any wannabe speed enforcement entrepreneur in a Conda is easy to avoid at that speed: it's big, it has to fly slow if it wants to exploit the speed limit, so the responsibility is reasonably yours if you let it slowly hug you to death.
Now, raise the speed limit too much, and instead of these guys having to rely on the station killing you after you ram their 10% hull eagle or sidewinder, they'll go back to ramming you themselves in their Conda or Cutter. Under the speed limit, so totally safe from consequences.

Regardless of the speed limit being there or not, there is some troll hiding about in the mail slot with no shields -- whatcha gonna do about it?

Well, I don't need to do anything other than slow down below 100m/s.

 

[Stigbob]

Depends on the ship I am in and the bandwidth in the instance.

True my courier puts the glass in cannon.

 

[akaliel]

The thing with the speed limit is it can't be too high or else you're back to the old problem of big ships ramming small ships around station without consequence. 100m/s was chosen because any wannabe speed enforcement entrepreneur in a Conda is easy to avoid at that speed: it's big, it has to fly slow if it wants to exploit the speed limit, so the responsibility is reasonably yours if you let it hug you to death.
Now, raise the speed limit too much, and instead of these guys having to rely on the station killing you after you kill their 10% hull eagle or sidewinder, they'll go back to ramming you themselves in their Conda or Cutter. Under the speed limit, so totally safe from consequences.

Keep it at 100 then. But get rid of the death sentence and get rid of the limit in the no fire zone. Does anyone seriously stay at 100 m/s until they hit 5 km?

 

[Faybs]

I'm not going to explain how, but any speed limit is exploitable by a ganker in a suicidey who has a friend. The real fix is that you get a fine, not instant death.

 

[CMDR Cosmic Spacehead]

This is an old troll move.

There are many things you can do to avoid it.

1) Obviously, avoid Open at CGs.
2) Block suspicious CMDRs (anyone flying a small shieldless ship badly).
3) Stay below 99m/s (100m/s is too fast), if flying a smaller ship, stay below 90m/s to avoid being rammed over the speed limit.
4) Revenge. Grab any cheap ship, and basically chase them around, crashing in to them (below the speed limit). They'll soon get tired of it. I spent a while in my Python with the gear down (90m/s limit) just flattening one guy as soon as they undocked. Hilarious.
5) Bait. Be the bait, fly a larger ship, but one that can stop easily, slightly fast. When you see them charge at you, drop below the speed limit. They go boom, you do not. Repeat until they ignore you.
6) Create your own KoS (Kill on Sight) list. Add them to it. If you see them ever again, kill them. Especially rewarding if you can kill them with a troll move.

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

 

[sovapid]

Did the thread title always include "MOVING TO MOBUIS"?

 

[Pyrotiger]

Lol, nice analogy. Though however lemming suicide is a myth, but we get your point.

Here's the proof it's true.

What?

 

[jasonbarron]

Regardless of the speed limit being there or not, there is some troll hiding about in the mail slot with no shields -- whatcha gonna do about it?

The victim in this scenario is no doubt some poor noob who couldn't figure out how to reboot his systems and was in what he thought was the pause menu trying to figure his controls out when some cowboy steamrolled him hotshotting into the mailbox. A few minutes later, after being confused about how/why he was destroyed while the game was paused, he was trying to exit the station (again) and probably bounced off of the station bulkhead and knocked out his shields once again...so, being a noob, he hits pause and goes back into options trying to figure out what he's doing wrong when BLAMMO! here comes CMDR Hotrod to run him over again.

Seriously OP, I think you need to offer up some kind of apology for being so callous!

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

First, I'd argue 100m/s is way to slow. Seriously, feels like it takes forever. Needs to be increased, 150 at least. But even so, why on earth is a 250 credit fine cause for a death sentence. Come on. It's like getting busted going 35 in a 30 zone, the cop walks up, shots you in the side of the head and then sets your car on fire. And then a bunch of you guys comment on the obituary, "Shouldn't have sped! Your fault!"

It's not about the fine:

Look around and try to comprehend what you're flying around in a station.

Slow down and be careful, no problems.
It's quite realistic to shoot down a pilot who poses a threat.

 

[Chris Simon]

OP, like many people said, it's nothing new. If anything, it was one of the first trolling techniques invented by players of questionable morals.

And it is exactly this case that caused the speed limit to be introduced. If you are not speeding, nothing can happen to you. You ignored this information so many times, in this thread that I get the feeling that it's you who is actually trolling.

Look at it from the real life law perspective. There was an accident. One of the ships was speeding (in other words breaking the law), the other was not. No matter, who "caused it", which one of those two do you think is going to be punished for it?
So yes, you were trolled and it's a really lowly move. But you were speeding. If the commander who rammed you was here, they could say they did it on purpose to teach you not to break the law near stations.

 

[Genus]

It was locked for a bit, then moved and the title edited.