We need the ability to form in-game clans

[Theodrid]

Do we need to be Einsteins to figure out the fix for this ?
In case you missed it: Leaders kick those players off the clan. Simple.
Eventually these derps will either get the message that that kind of game play is unacceptable, or they will eventually find other derps to join (and pull towards a small part of the galaxy instead of letting them roam free)

I do no think that kind of player/clan/group would go from a 'I'm gonna cause havoc' mentality to an 'ooh, I can play barbies with my space base' mentality.

 

[Lily from anim.o.v.e]

Not true, and you're coming across as completely disingenuous. The sole purpose of clans is to force a shared mentality gameplay on everyone else that may enter into "their" region of space. And it's already occurring.

tell me that is sarcasm.

A clantag can make it easier for single players to find attachement to others. Those who are passionate gamers will anways form a group, with or without label. But people not like this will come across someone having a specific label and think "hey they may fit with my mentality" and start asking them and playing with them to find it out. How does one even force his mentality over me just because he is in a clan? LOL I'm confused and still think it's sarcasm what you wrote -but then in the internet, I am not always sure about that.

But yes clanexclusive features are a not so good idea, because that will more or less force people to join clans/communities or whatever they may be called, so the maximum of this should be some form of label and maybe a sticker for the ship for some visual identification.

Player owned bases is what basically the subfactions should do, and a proper economy system wher peoeple can upgrade bases by importing and exporting what a base demands to increase its wealth. The subfactions are the way to channel this "ownership". it would then also help to create probably more PP characters from player generated factions due to how people would feel more attachement to a specifc subfaction.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

After that ramble, I think player owned bases would be awesome.

I would counter player owned bases with player supported outposts on planet surfaces.

I would love to have a mission to seed an outpost somewhere.... maybe we could even pick the location ourselves based on our own exploration (I dunno, not sure if feasable). We dump off the npcs and we service their needs.... do a good job they expand. perhaps others help, perhaps not. eventually you would reach tippoing point and they become self sufficient but you can still help them thrive.... if not they die off.

this is great because it is mode neutral, it is great content (imo) and you still do not have control of anything, but perhaps rewards could include such thing as reduced / free berthing fees for your ships etc if you do enough work. (berthing fees being a thing i would like to see, but only when there are mechanics in game to avoid them)

importantly however it is still not MY outpost..... anyone else can still visit and dock there so long as they do not fall foul of the laws of that system. (which the npcs would determine based on the type of settlement they built)

 

[TRLOS]

What you're suggesting, I think, doesn't sound too bad - one out-of-the-way base for each clan, tops. But I suspect the majority of those who are pushing for clans would not be satisfied with that. And I'm still suspicious, because - as Kristov says - clans often have a toxic effect on games, regardless of devs' intentions.

I agree, which is why I suggested this idea would be 'at most' what the dev's would offer. Absolutely nothing more, no matter how much these clans beg and cry.
If they limit clan sizes to say, 100 members, then the most that would happen is that you would see sister-clans pop up around the galaxy. Again, this doesn't affect current game play because the sister-clan might end up on the opposite end of the galaxy (which would offer absolute 0 benefit to the original planet base)

Once a clan is formed, let the ED servers pick a random land base, rename it to the clan name and activate the clan community goals on it. Let it expand and grow in size and turn it into something spectacular that other players can visit and marvel at.
Ah heck (just thought of this), expand the clan-community goals to an everyone community goal. Let the clan-leaders plan for a base expansion (ie, additional landing pad) and put it out for everyone to supply the resources to build it. It would be a clan-driven community goal. If a solo player likes the current layout of a base and would love to see it grow further, they would contribute to the community event. But like I said, offer no reward bonus for it (so in essence, it ends up costing you money to contribute to the clan-goal).

I would love to see what each clan could build, to visit a land base and see the different layouts of bases, to see massive fuel storages, hydroponics domes, control towers and landing pads scattered all around.
I was wrong to say that it offers 'absolutely no additional benefits". It would add 1 major benefit.... accomplishment.

 

[Theodrid]

A clantag can make it easier for single players to find attachement to others. Those who are passionate gamers will anways form a group, with or without label.

I do not think wanting to form a group or otherwise can determine whether or not you are a passionate gamer.

 

[Marra Morgan]

Do we need to be Einsteins to figure out the fix for this ?
In case you missed it: Leaders kick those players off the clan. Simple.

Now now, don't get snarky, it's just a discussion.

If you're just keeping things down to a clan tag, the yes, it is that simple. I think that's an ok idea.
When it gets more than that - having bases, supplies and common assets - you have to be careful about who comes into your clan because spies and thieves will be a thing. And the best of them will do their damage before the clan leader has chance to boot them.

 

[EUS]

Clantags are already available, reset game, choose new name, have all clan members do the same.
Done.
Assets, no.

 

[Kristov]

Request landing and let him land.
Honest, people are blowing this up more than what it was intended.
Let me strip this down for everyone.

The clan base of operations is basically this:
- Starts off as a small land base (exactly the same that is being introduced in horizons)
- As your clan gathers resources, you can 'grow' the base in size.
- The base has your clan tag as its name
- Clan based community goals that will allow your base to grow and function (eg, flu outbreak, gather medicines to maintain current base size or Collect minerals to add another landing pad)
The End

No expanding to other systems, No unfair abilities, No anything else.
Like I said, really really simple. Just a common ground for your friends to gather and work towards a common goal.
Stop blowing this up into something it was never intended to be.

Actually, they are correct, Lily isn't being honest, and it's already happening in Elite Dangerous right now. RoA, you go into the systems they claim in Open, they'll kill you, simple as that, they've been up front about it too. They aren't the only group doing that in Elite Dangerous either, we also have groups who go to every CG simply because they know they can find lots of unarmed trading ships to gank, that's their entire reason for being at them, ganking, nothing more, nothing less. The CGs will be hundreds to thousands of light years from their home systems, so it's not like they are defending their own turf or something. Smiling Dog Crew has been rather active at this as has The Code, going where ever there is a CG and actively ganking people just because they can and they find it amusing.

Now, the groups defending the area they call home, or pirates operating out of a central system and hitting the systems with a radius around that, understandable, acceptable even wanted to an extent by David and probably most of us over all. But those groups needs to be giving warnings, not just ganking a single T6 with 3 wings of Pythons and Anacondas as is currently done by many of them.

Naturally, we can all bypass that by simply playing in Solo or Group, but many of us WANT to have some interaction with other players so we try to play in Open as much as possible, but we shouldn't HAVE to switch to Solo or Group to avoid this kind of behaviour, you may consider it fun to be ganked by multiple wings of big ships who don't say anything and just destroy you, I don't, most people don't, we find it annoying to be polite about it.

 

[Talarin]

Ah, my favourite topic. I'll refer all of you to the guilds/clan mega-thread. There are some excellent (and some not so good) arguments for and against in there.

Right now people can make player defined subfactions. Also NPC's belong to these subfactions. So by logic, players should be able to alos "join" subfactions. which then by the fact that players can generate these subfactions do exactly have the purpose of "clans".

Add some group-chat into the mix and that's exactly the sort of player grouping/clans functionality I hope will come. No control, no territorial possession. Just an affiliation and sub-group of the community.

All we need IMO, is simply better tools for existing player groups.

I run a small "friends-of-friends" group and it's rather annoying that I have to be online to accept join requests.
Thankfully, it's rare that I get new members, but I can only imagine what it's like for the larger player groups.

It's worth emphasasing - player groups are already here. Some are infamous. Some are renowned. The vast majority you'll never see, hear of or interact with.

The toxic groups are already in the game, being toxic. Fighting against an expansion of features for player groups only hurts the groups. Adding features won't hinder your game experience in any way (barring development time has gone on that, rather than something else which you might have preferred.)

Not true, and you're coming across as completely disingenuous. The sole purpose of clans is to force a shared mentality gameplay on everyone else that may enter into "their" region of space. And it's already occurring.

Not true in the slightest.

Seeing groups like the Fuel Rats have made David realize that not ALL groups are like The Code, they aren't all out to just gank anyone they can and cause grief to other players for grins and giggles, instead, they are formed out of a desire to HELP other players in the game simply because, they expect no recompense, they ask no toll or price, they simply want to help.

THAT has made David rethink this situation, so we'll probably see SOME limited group tools in the future, but don't expect too much. We have very large anti-social groups already, FD is very much aware of them and their actions, and they don't really like the affect it has on the community overall, that kind of negativity is EXACTLY what David hates, so anything they do will be tempered by that knowledge and how it can be abused by them to cause grief to other players.

I like the idea that FD will put their own spin on player groups. Player-created minor factions I think were a good step in the right direction and I suspect we'll carry on in that vein.

 

[Bomba Luigi]

You want clan tag you join a power, there you got it. Clans are here, just need to join.

you want be boss and boss everybody around being leader of a clan? Well, that ain't gonna happen. Thank God.

 

[Roybe]

You want clan tag you join a power, there you got it. Clans are here, just need to join.

you want be boss and boss everybody around being leader of a clan? Well, that ain't gonna happen. Thank God.

You guys are so funny! Not all groups are run by egomaniacal crazies! Just the ones that you apparently joined!

 

[Asp Explorer]

As has been suggested many times before - a separate guild mode would keep all these peeps happy.

Except they don't want a guild mode - they want to seal-club noobs.

 

[EValve]

Could he enjoy clan content, such as described in the OP, without joining a clan? In my experience of guilds and clans from over 15 years playing these types of games, the answer to that is a square no.

Making it official, just so we can have a tag is cool. But that's not what the OP is talking about.

Remember, most of us are saying this because the CEO of the game has said it many times. This isn't the game for those who want Eve style clan content. And it's highly likely it'll never be.

I adhere to an identity tag. It deprives not a single individual from any of the content and offers value to those that desire it. Besides, a simple example ( GuildWars ) offered AI as an alternative to players on about their instances. Much of OP's proposal has no content which could not be achieved by AI. Nullifying the idea of marginalizing solo players.
The question is not about equilibrium between the modes, but about the base content game-play. An identity tag does no harm.
Inflatable bases were announced already, carrier ships are incoming. OP's idea is coming at one point or another, in different shape and form maybe, but the ground structure is already being made.

 

[Talarin]

As has been suggested many times before - a separate guild mode would keep all these peeps happy.

Except they don't want a guild mode - they want to seal-club noobs.

No, it wouldn't keep them happy. It would keep you happy - but that's not the same thing. (And I refer you to our previous conversations on the topic in the mega-thread.) The idea is to be a grouping inside the wider community.

You think its a viable solution, because you have this pre-conception that you refuse to let go of about all player groups existing only to exert control and power on other players. You think they'd be happy in an environment in which corp-style groups could go at each other hammer and tongs without ever involving you. But your pre-conception is (generally) wrong.

In the vast majority of my experiences, player groups are generally quite harmless and mind their own business. The problem is that the trouble-makers (and I'll not deny some are out there, and would continue to be out there) tend to achieve a higher profile precisely because of their anti-social ways.

There are other ways of controlling the bad eggs - not least of which is through a more aggressive adoption of anti-social policies within the game (which should apply to individual players, as well as player groups). Whether Frontier would commit to that is another matter. So, in short, there are better ways of making sure that individual player experiences are good without hiving off chunks of the broader community away from the "not interested in player groups" players.

 

[Roybe]

There are other ways of controlling the bad eggs - not least of which is through a more aggressive adoption of anti-social policies within the game (which should apply to individual players, as well as player groups). Whether Frontier would commit to that is another matter. So, in short, there are better ways of making sure that individual player experiences are good without hiving off chunks of the broader community away from the "not interested in player groups" players.

The devs have stated quite clearly how they expect 'bad eggs' to be dealt with by the community...they are to be ignored, avoided (mode usage), or beaten upon until one side or the other wins...or one of the first two choices occurs out of boredom from beating on each other. Choice is good!

This can be done through PVP which will cost all parties money to be involved with OR you can do this through PVE and receive in game rewards for your efforts...again..choices galore!

 

[Lily from anim.o.v.e]

Actually, they are correct, Lily isn't being honest, and it's already happening in Elite Dangerous right now. RoA, you go into the systems they claim in Open, they'll kill you, simple as that, they've been up front about it too. They aren't the only group doing that in Elite Dangerous either, we also have groups who go to every CG simply because they know they can find lots of unarmed trading ships to gank, that's their entire reason for being at them, ganking, nothing more, nothing less. The CGs will be hundreds to thousands of light years from their home systems, so it's not like they are defending their own turf or something. Smiling Dog Crew has been rather active at this as has The Code, going where ever there is a CG and actively ganking people just because they can and they find it amusing.

Now, the groups defending the area they call home, or pirates operating out of a central system and hitting the systems with a radius around that, understandable, acceptable even wanted to an extent by David and probably most of us over all. But those groups needs to be giving warnings, not just ganking a single T6 with 3 wings of Pythons and Anacondas as is currently done by many of them.

Naturally, we can all bypass that by simply playing in Solo or Group, but many of us WANT to have some interaction with other players so we try to play in Open as much as possible, but we shouldn't HAVE to switch to Solo or Group to avoid this kind of behaviour, you may consider it fun to be ganked by multiple wings of big ships who don't say anything and just destroy you, I don't, most people don't, we find it annoying to be polite about it.

So because a few groups do this already it means everyone does?
And how does having a clantag cater towards or versus this? That has nothing to do with what a single or group of pilots already does, can do or will be able to do.
The clantag does not change what people does, it does in bets case it even helps you to identify hostile people earlier when you can already see this guy belongs to that clan of gankers to get the F out of here before he gets too close.

 

[CaptainSeriousFun]

...What do you guys think ?

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[Flemish, see Dutch (Belgium)]
Fon (Benin, Togo) Eo
Fore (Papua New Guinea) A'a
French (France, Africa, America) Non
Frisian [Westerlauwer Frisian] (Germany) Nee
Friulian (Italy) Nò
Fulani [Pular] (West Africa) Ala
Futuna-Aniwa (Vanuatu) Jikai
Ga (Ghana) Dabi
Gaam (Eastern Sudan) Wà
Gabrielino (California United States) Xai
Gagauz (Moldova) Diyl yola
Galician (Spain) Non
Gallo (Britany Northern France) Nenni
Gallo (Britany Northern France) Nona
Gallo (Britany Northern France) Nani
Gamilaraay [Kamilaroi] (Australia) Gamil
Gamo (Ethiopia) Akkadi
Gan Chinese (China) Bo szi
Gan Chinese (China) Bo sz
Ganda [Luganda] (Uganda) Nedda
Ganda [Luganda] (Uganda) 'Aa
Ganda [Luganda] (Uganda) 'Aaà
Gascon (France) Nani
Gashowu Yokuts (Dry Creek California USA) K'amu
Gaviao (Brazil) Áo
Gaviao (Brazil) Óhv
Georgian [Kartuli] (Georgia) Ah-ra
Georgian [Kartuli] (Georgia) Ara
German (Central Europe) Nein
German (Central Europe) [slang] Nö
German (Central Europe) [slang] Nie
German (Vienna Austria) [slang] Naa
German (Berlin Germany) [spoken language] Nee
German (Switzerland and Lichtenstein) Nei
German [Südhessisch] (Germany) Naa
German (Bavaria) [spoken language] Na
Giramay (Queensland Australia) Maya
Gitanemuk (California USA) Nau
Gofa (Ethiopia) Gidenna
Greek [Hellenic] (Greece, Cyprus) Ochi
[Greenlandic, see Inuttut]
Griko (Salento Italy) De'ngje
Guaja (Brazil) Nã'ã
Guarani (Paraguay, Brazil, Bolivia) Ahaniri
Guarani (Paraguay, Brazil, Bolivia) Nahániri
Gujarati (Gujarat State, India) NahiiN
Gujarati (Gujarat State, India) Naa
Gujarati (Gujarat State, India) Ma
Gumatj (Australia) Yaka
Gumbaynggir (Australia) Biway
Gundungurra (Australia) Gurrangung
Guniyandi (Australia) Manari
[Gypsy, see Romani]

Haida (United States) Aya
Haitian (Haiti) Non
Hakka [Chinese] (China) Mo
Harari [Adare] (Ethiopia) Me
Hassaniya (Mauritania) Abdey
Hausa (West Africa) Babu
Hausa (West Africa) A'a
Hawaiian (Hawaii) 'A'ole
Hebrew (Israel) Lo
[Hellenic, see Greek]
[Heve, see Eudeve]
Hidatsa (North Dakota USA) Desa
Hidatsa (North Dakota USA) Nesats
Hindi (India, East Asia) Ji nahi
Hindi (India, East Asia) Nahin
Hindi (India, East Asia) Hye
Hindi (India, East Asia) Ji nahin
Hindi (India, East Asia) Naheen
Hindustani (India) Na
Hmong [Miao] (Laos, Thailand) Tsis
Hmong (Vietnam) Chúi muá
Hñähñu (Mexico) Hina
Hoi San (China) M hai
Hokkien [Chinese] (Taiwan) M si an-ne
Hokkien [Chinese] (Taiwan) Msi
Hokkien [Chinese] (Taiwan) Bo
Hokkien [Chinese] (Taiwan) M tioh
Hokkien [Chinese] (Singapore, Indonesia) Mmsi
Hometwoli Yokuts (Kern Lake Calif. USA) Uhun
Hopi (United States) Qa'é
Hopi (United States) Gae'
Hopi (United States) K'ae'
Houailou (New Caledonia) Aè
Huambisa (Peru) Atsa
Huastec (Mexico) Ib
Huave (Mexico) Ngwüy
Huave (Mexico) Ngome
Huave (Mexico) Ngo
Huichol (Mexico) Ka-
Hungarian [Magyar] (Hungary) Nem

Icelandic (Iceland) Nei
Icetot (Uganda) Ntondo
Ido (international use) No
Igbo (Nigeria) Mbaa
[Ik, see Icetot]
Ilokano [Ilocano] (Philippines) Saan
Ilokano [Ilocano] (Philippines) Haan
Indo-European (old Europe) Ne
Indonesian (Indonesia, Suriname) Tidak
Indonesian (Indonesia) [informal] Ndak
Indonesian (Indonesia) [informal] Nggak
Indonesian (Indonesia) [informal] Kagak
Indonesian (Indonesia) [don't] Jangan
Indonesian (Indonesia) [not yet] Belum
Indonesian (Indonesia) [for things] Bukan
Ingush (Russia) Aa
Innu (Quebec Canada) Maawaach
Interlingua (constructed) No
Interlingua (constructed) Non
Inuktitut (Canada, Alaska) Naaga
Inuktitut (Canada) Naamik
Inuktitut (Canada) Aagaa
Inuktitut (Baffin Island Canada) Aakka
Inuktitut (Alaska) Naagga
Inuktitut (Alaska) Naaka
Inuttut [Greenlandic] (Greenland) Naamik
Irish (Ireland) [it isn't] Ní hea
Ishkashmi (Tajikistan) No
Ishkashmi (Tajikistan) Ne
Italian (Central Europe, E Africa) No
Itbayaten (Batanes Philippines) Engga
Itzá (Mexico) Ma'
Ivasayen (Batanes Philippines) Omba
Ixcatec (Mexico) 'A
Ixcatec (Mexico) Na
Izoceno [Tapii] (Bolivia) Ani
Ixil (Guatemala) Ye'

Jacaltec (Guatemala) Mach
Jacaru [Jaqaru] (South America) Isha
Japanese (Japan) Iie
Japanese [Kumamoto] (Japan) Nne
Japanese [Kyo Kotoba] (Kyoto Japan) Iya
Japanese [Sendaiben] (Sendai Japan) Yanda
Japanese [Tosaben] (Shikoku Japan) Ingeno
Javanese (Indonesia) [high Javanese] Mboten
Javanese (Indonesia) Ora
Javanese (Indonesia) [for things: not] Sanes
Jèrriais (Jersey) Nannîn
Juaneño (Southern California USA) Kayon

Kabuverdianu (Cape Verde) Nau
Kabyle (Algeria) Ak
Kadazan (Sabah Malaysia) A'ou
Kaili Da'a (Sulawesi Indonesia) Daa
Kaingwa (South America) Ahani
Kaipipende (Bolivia) Áni
Kala Kawaw Ya (Australia) Lawnga
Kalamai (Australia) Kuru
Kalasha (India) Ne
Kalasha (India) Moh
Kaliai-Kove (New Guinea) Mao
Kaliai-Kove (New Guinea) [emphatic] Mako
Kalmyk (Russia) Uga
Kamayura (Brazil) Anité
[Kamilaroi, see Gamilaraay]
Kamviri (South Asia) N'a'i
Kanjobal [Q'anjob'al] (Guatemala) K'amaq
Kanjobal [Q'anjob'al] (Guatemala) C'am
Kankanaey (Philippines) Baken
Kankanaey (Philippines) Adi
Kannada (India) Beda
Kannada (India) Illa
Kanuri (Nigeria) A a
Kapampangan (Philippines) Ali
Kapingamarangi (Pacifc Islans) Deeai
Karaim (Trakai Lithuania) Jo
Karawatarenda (Bolivia) Áni
Karelian (Finland, Russia) Ei
Karen (Burma) Mwe é
[Kartuli, see Georgian]
Kashmiri (Pakistan) Ne-keh
Kashmiri (Pakistan) Na
Kâte (Papua New Guinea) Aricne
Kathlamet (Oregon United States) Ka'ya
Kaurareg (Australia) Lawnga
Kawaiisu (California United States) Kètô
Kawesqar (Chile) Kiép
Kayabi (Brazil) -eém
Kazakh (Kazahkstan, Central Asia, China) Zhoq
Kechayi Yokuts (San Joaquin River Ca. USA) Ohom
Kekchi (Guatemala) Ink'a
Kekchi (Guatemala) Ma
Kekchi (Cahabon Guatemala) Ink'a'
Khakas (Russia) Chox
Khakea (Botswana, Namibia) Taku
Khakea (Botswana, Namibia) ||ka
Khmer [Cambodian] (Cambodia) Te
Khmer [Cambodian] (Cambodia) Ot te
Khmu (Laos) Pa
Khowar (Central Asia) No
Khowar (Central Asia) Moh
Kiga (Africa) Ingaaha
Kikamba (Tanzania) Ayee
Kikongo (Congo Africa) Vê
Kikuyu (Kenya) Aca
Kikuyu (Kenya) Tiguo
Kiluba (Zaire) Aa
Kinyarwanda (Rwanda) Oya
Kipsigis (Kenya) Acha
Kirundi [Rundi] (Burundi) Oya
Kisanga (Bunkeya Congo-Kinshasa) Yo
Kiswahili [Swahili] (Africa) Hapana
Kiswahili [Swahili] (Africa) A-a
Klallam (Washington United States) ?awa
Koasati (Alabama & Oklahoma United States) Íniko
Kohistani (Central Asia) Ni
Koiari (Papua New Guinea) Bebe
Komi-Permyak (Russia) Aga
Komi-Permyak (Russia) Oz
Komi-Permyak (Russia) Og
Komi-Permyak (Russia) Ogö
Komi-Permyak (Russia) Odö
Komi-Permyak (Russia) Ozö
Komi-Permyak (Russia) Ez
Komi-Permyak (Russia) Ezö
Komi-Permyak (Russia) Abyös
Komi-Permyak (Russia) Ne
Komi-Zyryan (Russia) Abu
Komi-Zyryan (Russia) Og
Komi-Zyryan (Russia) Oz
Konkani [Konknni] (India) Naa
Korean (Korea) Aniyo
Korean (Korea) Animnida
Koromfe (Burkina Faso) Ajo
Koromfe (Burkina Faso) Ajej
Kosraean (Micronesia) Moh
Krèyol (Haiti) Non
Kriol (Northern Australia) Nomo
Kukatja (Australia) Wiya
Kuna (Panama) Suli
Kung-ekoka (Angola) |kúa
Kung-ekoka (Angola) |kúi
Kurak (northwestern California USA) Pûuhara
Kurdi [Kurmanji] (Iran, Iraq) Na
Kurdi [Kurmanji] (Iran, Iraq) Ne
Kurdi [Kurmanji] (Iran, Iraq) Neu
Kurdi [Kurmanji] (Iran, Iraq) No
Kurukh (India) Mala
Kutenai (BC Canada, Idaho & Montana USA) Mats
Kutthung (Australia) Gooran
Kwanyama (Angola, Namibia) Aaye
Kwanyama (Angola, Namibia) [emphatic] Ahawe
Kwanyama (Angola, Namibia) [emphatic] Ahowe
[Kweyol, see Creole]
Kyrgyz (Kyrgyzstan) Жок
=/Kh'au//'e (Botwana, Namibia) |ka
=/Kh'au//'e (Botwana, Namibia) |kwa
=/Kh'au//'e (Botwana, Namibia) ka:

Ladakhi (India, Pakistan) Man
Ladakhi (India, Pakistan) Biduk
Ladin (Italy) No
Lagunillas (Bolivia) Áni
Lahu (Thailand) Mah hey
Laiman (North America) Ñi
Lakhota (North America) Hiya
Lakhota (North America) Shnee
Lao (Laos) Bo
[Lappish, see Sami]
Latin (ancient Rome, Vatican) Non
Latin (ancient Rome, Vatican) Nullus
Latin (ancient Rome, Vatican) Minime
Latvian (Latvia) Ne
Lenakel (New Hebrides Pacifc Islands) Kapwa
Lenape [Delaware] (United States) Ku
Lenape [Delaware] (United States) Mata
Lenape (Delaware United States) Kuta
Lenape (Delaware United States) U mayay
Lenape (Delaware United States) Ta hashi
Lenape (Delaware United States) Ta chich
Lenape (Delaware United States) Mahchikwi
Lenape (Delaware United States) Alalan
Lenape (Delaware United States) Ku kesi
Lenape (Delaware United States) Ku nkesi
Lenape (Delaware United States) Ku ktakohchi
Lenape (Delaware United States) Ku ntakohchi
Lenape (Delaware United States) Okeksene
Leningitij (Australia) Ngga'
Lingala (Congo, Angola) Té
Lingua Franca (Mediterranean) No
Lingua Franca (Mediterranean) Non
Lithuanian (Lithuania) Ne
Lithuanian (Lithuania) [very informal] A'a
Lithuanian (Lithuania) [very informal] M'm
Livonian (Latvia, Estonia) Äb
Livonian (Latvia, Estonia) [you] Ät
Livonian (Latvia, Estonia) [me/I] Äb
Loglan (international) No
Low Saxon (Eastern Friesland) Nee
Low Saxon [Northern Low Saxon] (Germany) Nee
Low Saxon [Westphalian] (Germany) Ne
Ludian (Russia) Ei
[Luganda, see Ganda]
Luiseño (Southern California USA) Qay
Luiseño (Southern California USA) Gai
Lunda (Zambia) Inehi
Lunyankole (South Uganda) Ngaaha
Lunyoro (West Uganda) Nangwa
Lunyoro (West Uganda) Kwaha
Luo (Sudan, Kenya) Ooyo
Lushootseed (Seattle Washington USA) Xwí?
Luvale (Zambia) Kagute
Luxemburgish (Luxemburg) Neen
Luxemburgish (Luxemburg) Nee

Mabuiag (Australia) Lawnga
Macedonian (Macedonia) Ne
Mae [Emwae] (New Hebrides Pacifc Islands) Ikai
Magindano (New Guinea) Dele
[Magyar, see Hungarian]
Malagasy (Madagascar) Tsia
Malagasy (Madagascar) An, an
Malay (Malaysia, Brunei) Tidak
Malay (Malaysia, Brunei) Bukan
Maltese (Malta) Le
Mam (Guatemala) Mi
Mam (Guatemala) Min
Mampruli (Ghana) Ai
Mamu (Queensland Australia) Yimba
Manchu (China) Waka
Manchu (China) [not] Aku
Mandarin [Chinese] (China) Bu shi zhe yang
Mandarin [Chinese] (China) Bu dui
Mandarin [Chinese] (China) Meiyou
Mandarin [Chinese] (China) Bu shi
Mandinka (Senegal, Gambia) Hani
Mang (China, Thailand, Vietnam) Ham
Mansi [Vogul] (Russia) Aat
Maohi (South Pacific) Aita
Maori (New Zealand) Kao
Maori (Cook Islands) Kare
[Mapuche, see Mapudungun]
Mapudungun [Mapuche] (Chile) Mü
Marathi (Maharashtra India) Nahi
Mari (Russia) Uke
Maridjabin (Australia) Ampi
Marimanindji (Australia) Mampi
Maringgar (Australia) Ampu
Marshallese (Marshall Islands) Jaab
Masai (Kenya, Tanzania) Mme
Mashi (Bukavu Congo-Kinshasa) Nanga
[Mayan, see Yucatec Maya]
Mayupampa (Bolivia) Aepotá?a
Mende (Sierra Leone) A-a
Meriam Mir (Australia) Nole
[Miao, see Hmong]
Michahay Yokuts (California USA) Gâmu
Michif [Turtle Mt. Chippewa Cree] (Canada) Noo
Michif [Turtle Mt. Chippewa Cree] (Canada) Pa miyeur
Mien (Laos, Thailand) Mv [+ subject]
Mien (Laos, Thailand) Maiv [+ subject]
Mien (Vietnam) M´i mái
Mikmaq (Canada) Moqwa
Mina (Togo) Ao
Minangkabau (West Sumatra Indonesia) Indak
Mingo (North America) Hë'ë
Miskito (Nicargua, Honduras) Apia
Miwok [Amador] (NE Sierra California USA) Ewutû
Miwok [Bodega] (West Coast California USA) Hama
Miwok [Lake] (N Coast Califorina USA) Hella
Miwok [Marin] (S Coast Califorina USA) Huma
Miwok [Mariposa] (S Sierra California USA) Ken
Miwok [N Sierra] (N Sierra California USA) 'Ewyty'
Miwok [N Sierra] (Calif. USA) [informal] 'E'eh
Miwok [Plains] (NW Sierra California USA) Hela
Miwok [Tuolomne] (Central Sierra Cal. USA) Ewutu
Mixe (Mexico) Ka'p
Mixe (Juquila Mexico) Kiáp
Mixe (Totontepec Mexico) Ka
Mixtec (Santa Catarina Estetla Mexico) Ña d+u
Mixtec (Xicayan Mexico) Koó
Mixtec (Oaxaca Mexico) Tú'
Mixtec (Oaxaca Mexico) Túu
Mlabri (Laos, Thailand) Met
Mobilian (North America) Ekshu
Modoc (Northern California) Q'ay
Möhineyam (California United States) Nau
Mon (Burma) Hùe;'
Mon (Thailand) Ha
Monegasque (Monaco) Non
Mongolian (Mongolia) Ügüi
Mongolian (Mongolia) [not this] Bish
Mono (Inyo California USA) Karu
Mono (North Fork California USA) Gadu
Mono (North Fork California USA) Garu
Mòoré (Burkina Faso) Ayo
Mopá-maya (Guatemala) Ma'
Mordvin (Russia) Aras
Mordvin (Russia) Ajaš
Mordvin (Russia) Aš
Mullukmulluk (Australia) Akana

Náhuatl [Aztec] (Mexico, El Salvador) Amo
Nakota (USA, Canada) Hiya
Nanai (Russia) Edi
Nanai (Russia) Ana:
Nandi (Kenya) Achicha
Nangikurrunggurr (Australia) Minta
Nauruan (Nauru Oceania) Iòk
Nauruan (Nauru Oceania) Deò ei
Navajo (United States) Dooda
Navajo (United States) Ndaga'
Naxi (Yunnan China) Me waq
Ndebele (Southern Africa) Hayi
Ndjebbana (Australia) Koma
Ndjuka (Suriname) Nono
Nenets (Russia) Ya'ngo
Nepali (Nepal) Ahaa
Nepali (Nepal) [definition] Hoina
Nepali (Nepal) [location] Chaina
Newari (Nepal) Makhu
Ngadjonji (Australia) Ngarru
Ngadjunma (Australia) Jowandjan
Ngarinman (Australia) Wagurni
Ngbaka (Africa) Ùú
Nhirrpi (Australia) [lit. don't] Warrayi
Nigerian Pidgin (Nigeria) No
Norwegian [Nynorsk, Bokmaal] (Norway) Nei
Norwegian [Sortlandsk] (Sortland Norway) Næi
Nukuoro (Pacific Islands) Deai
Nupe (Africa) Áà
Nupe (Africa) Àwâ
Nutúnutu Yokuts (Kings River Calif. USA) Ohò'm
Nyungar (Australia) Juat

[Occitan, see Provencal]
[Ocuilteco, see Tlahuica]
Ofo (North America) Ni
Ojibwe [Chippewa] (United States) Gaawesa
Opata (Mexico) Kai
Orok (Russia) Ana
Osage (North America) Hon'-ka-zhi
Osage (North America) On'ka-zhi
Ossetian (Caucasus) Nö
Ossetian (Caucasus) Næ
Ossetian (Caucasus) Noun
Otetela (Lodja Congo-Kinshasa) Mbu
!O!ung (Angola) |kwa
!O!ung (Angola) |kwi
!O!ung (Angola) Kwi

Paamese (Vanuatu) Vuo
Paamese (Vanuatu) Vuol
Paamese (Vanuatu) Vuel
Pakanh (Australia) Ya'a
Palewyami Yokuts (Poso Creek Calif. USA) K'ami
[Palpamadramadra, see Nhirrpi]
Pame (Mexico) Mwi
Pame (Mexico) Pame
Pangan (Ulu Aring Malaysia) Ning
Pangan (Kerbat Malaysia) Neng
Papago (United States, Mexico) Pia'a
Pappua (Papua New Guinea) Roba
Parana (Bolivia) Aní
Parintintin (Brazil) Nãhã
Pashto (Afghanistan, Pakistan) Na
Pashto (Afghanistan, Pakistan) Nakhayr
Passamaqoddy (Maine USA) [polite] Kotama
Passamaqoddy (Maine USA) [slang] Konotiri
Passamaqoddy (Maine USA) [slang] Ne
Paumarí (Brazil) [answer to question] Iniani
Paumarí (Brazil) [forbidding] Hari'a
Pauserna (Bolivia) Áni
Paviotso (California United States) Karu
Pende (Congo-Kinshasa) M'khu
[Penobscot, see Abenaki]
[Persian, see Farsi]
Phorhépecha [Purépecha] (Mexico) Ámbe
Phorhépecha [Purépecha] (Mexico) Ástarhu
Phorhépecha [Purépecha] (Mexico) Ási
[Pidgin English, see Nigerian Pidgin, Pijin and Tok Pisin]
Pijin (Solomon Islands) No
Pijin (Solomon Islands) Nomoa
[Pikanii, see Blackfoot]
Pima (Mexico) Pia'a
Pipil (El Salvador) Inte
Pipil (El Salvador) Tesu
Pipil (El Salvador) Tee
Pitjantjatjara (Australia) Wiya
Pikern (Pitcairn Island) Eeno
Plattdeutsch (Germany) Nau
Plattdeutsch (Germany) Nee
[Plautdietsch, see Plattdeutsch]
Pocomam (Guatemala) Ma
Pocomam (Guatemala) Ntaj
Pocomam (Guatemala) Ntax
Pocomam (Guatemala) Ta
Pocomchi (Guatemala) Maa
Pocomchi (Guatemala) Ma...ta
Polish (Poland) Nie
Polynesian (Polynesia) Si'ai
Polynesian (Polynesia) Siei
Pomo (California USA) Kui
Popoloca (Mexico) Da'
Popoluca (Mexico) Caj
Portuguese (Portugal, Brazil) Não
Potawatomi (North America) Co
Provencal [Occitan] (France) Non
Provencal [Occitan] (France) [formal] Nani
[Pular, see Fulani]
Punjabi (India) Naheen
Punjabi (India) Nahi
Pulawat (Micronesia) Yaapw
Pulawat (Micronesia) Mmm
Pulawat (Micronesia) Yeehee
Puoc (Australia) Pa

Quechua Ancashino (Ancash Peru) Manam
Quechua Cochabambino (Cochabamba Bolivia) Mana
Quechua Cuzqueño (Cuzco Peru) Manan
Quechua (Andes South America) [forbidding] Ama
Quiché [K'iche] (Guatemala) Ma-
Quiché [K'iche] (Guatemala) Man...taj
Quichua (Ecuador, Argentina) Mana

Rapanui (Easter Island) Ina
[Rarámuri, see Tarahumara]
Rarotongan (South Pacific) Kare
Redondo Tupi-Guarani (South America) Haeñum´
Resígaro (Peru) Nií
Resígaro (Peru) Niíkó
Resígaro (Peru) Niíkámí
Romani [Vlax] [Gypsy] (Europe) Na
Romani [Sofia Erli] (Bulgaria) Na
Romanian (Romania) Nu
Romansch (Switzerland) Na
Rotuman (Pacific Islands) 'Igka'i
Rotuman (Pacific Islands) 'Igke'i
[Runasimi, see Quechua]
[Rundi, see Kirundi]
Russian (Russia) Nyet

Saanich (Vancouver Island Canada) ?ewe
Sacapultec (Guatemala) Taj
Saami [Davvi Saami] (Scandinavia) Ii
Saami [Davvi Saami] (Scandinavia) Ále
Saami [Inari Saami] (Scandinavia) Ij
Saami [Lule Saami] (Scandinavia) Ijje
Saami [Skolt Saami] (Scandianvia) Ij
Sa'dan Toraja (Indonesia) Tae
Sakai (Sungai Raya Malaysia) Täto to
Sakai (Sungai Raya Malaysia) Tahatna
Sakao (Espiritu Santo Vanuatu) Meré
Sakao (Espiritu Santo Vanuatu) Öhö
Samoan (Samoa) Leai
San Juan Capistrano (California USA) Kai
Sango (Central Africa Republic) Ipo
Saramaccan (Suriname) Nõnö
Saramaccan (Suriname) Ná
Sara-Ngambay (Chad) Waà
Sardinian (Italy) No
Sarnami (Suriname, Holland) Na
Sasak (Indonesia) Nde
Savonian (Ylä-Savo Finland) Ee
Scots (Scotland) Naw
Scots (Scotland) Nae
Scots [Ulster Scots] (Northern Ireland) Na
Sema (India) Mo
Sepedi (South Africa) Aowa
Serbian (Bosnia, Yugoslavia) Ne
Seri (Mexico) Saate
Serrano (California United States) Nou
Seselwa [Seychelles Creole] (Seychelles) Non
Sesotho (Lesotho, South Africa) Tjhe
Sesotho (Lesotho, South Africa) Tjhee
Sesotho (Lesotho, South Africa) Aikona
Setswana (Botswana, South Africa) Nyaa
Setu (Estonia) Õiõ
Sherpa [Helambu] (Nepal, Tibet) Ahha
Sherpa [Helambu] (Nepal, Tibet) Mecheye
Sherpa [Solu] (Nepal, Tibet) Me sheki
Shimasiwa (Comoros) Uh uh
Shikaviyam (California United States) Gè
Shina (India, Central Asia) Neh
Shipibo (Peru) Icáma
Shona (Zimbabwe) Aiwa
Shona (Zimbabwe) Kwete
Shoshoni (United States) Kai
Shuar (Ecuador, Peru) Atsa
Sicilian (Sicily Italy) Nuddu
Sicilian (Sicily Italy) Nessunu
Silozi (Zambia) Baatili
Sindhi (Pakistan) Na
Sindhi (Pakistan) Ma
Sinhalese (Sri Lanka) Natha
Sipacapa (Guatemala) Qa
Siswati [Swazi] (Swaziland) Ha
Slovak (Slovakia) Nie
Slovenian (Slovenia) Ne
Solresol (old; international) Do
Somali (East Africa) Maya
Soninke (Mali, Senegal) Ayi
Sorbian (eastern Germany) Ne
Spanish (Spain, America) No
Spokane (United States) Tá
Sranan (Suriname) Nono
Sundanese [Basa Sunda] (Indonesia) Heunteu
Sundanese [Basa Sunda] (Indonesia) Sanes
Sundanese [Basa Sunda] (Indonesia) [don't] Ulah
Sursilvan (Switzerland) Na
Svan (Georgia) Maama
Svan (Georgia) Deesa
Swabian (Central Europe) Noe
[Swahili, see Kiswahili]
[Swazi, see Siswati]
Swedish (Sweden, Finland) Nej

Tachi Yokuts (Tulare Lake California USA) Ohom
Tagalog (Philippines) [to elder] Hindi po
Tagalog (Philippines) [same age/younger] Hindi
Tahitian (Tahiti) Aita
Taino (Caribbean, Florida USA) U'a
Taino (Caribbean, Florida USA) [emphatic] Wu'a
Tajik (Tajikstan) Ne
Taki-taki (French Guyana) Nono
Tamashek (West Africa) Kala-kala
Tamil (India, Southeast Asia) Illai
Tamil (India, Southeast Asia) Venda
Tapiete (Argentina, Bolivia, Paraguay) Baety
Tarahumara [Rarámuri] (Mexico) Ké
Tarahumara [Rarámuri] (Mexico) Que
Tarahumara [Rarámuri] (Mexico) Quetasi
Tarahumara [Rarámuri] (Mexico) Tásirapé
Tarahumara [Rarámuri] (Mexico) Tasi
Tarahumara [Rarámuri] (Mexico) Tarapé
[Tarasco, see Phorhepecha]
Tarawan (Oceania) Akêa
Tashkorghani (Central Asia) Nay
Tatar (Russia) Yuk
Tay (Vietnam) Boomi
Tehuelche (Argentina) Gom
Telefol (Papua New Guinea) Umbae
Telefol (Papua New Guinea) Bae
Telugu (India) Kaddu
Telugu (India) Ledu
Teop (Papua New Guinea) Ahiki
Tepehua (Mexico) Maitague
Tetum (East Timor) Lae
Tetum (East Timor) [before a verb] La
[Teuso, see Icetot]
Thai (Thailand) Mai
Thai (Thailand) Maidai
Thai (Thailand) Maichai
Thai (Thailand) Maioua
Thangmi [Thami] (Himalayas) Ma-ja
Tibetan (Tibet, China) Yo
Tibetan (Tibet, China) Marey
Tibetan (Tibet, China) Meyin
Tigre (Ethiopia) La'
Tigre (Ethiopia) [emphatic] Lala'
Tigrinya (Ethiopia) Ay-[+verb root]-n
Tjalkadjara (Australia) Tailpa
Tlahuica [Ocuilteco] (Mexico) T'akwha
Tlingit (Canada) Klek
Tlingit (Southeastern Alaska) Tleix
Tojolabal (Chiapas Mexico) Miyuc
Tojolabal (Chiapas Mexico) Mi
Tok Pisin (Papua New Guinea) Nogat
Tongan (Tonga Pacific Islands) 'Ikai
Tongva (USA) Hí-ekh
[Torres Strait Broken, see Yumpla Tok]
Totonac (Veracruz Mexico) Nichuna
Trobes Tokples (Trobriand Papua N. Guinea) Gala
Tsafiqui (Ecuador) Te
[Tsalagi, see Cherokee]
Tschiluba (Kasai Occidental Region, Zaire) To
Tseshaht (British Columbia Canada) Wik
Tübatulabal (California United States) Haic
Tukang Besi (Indonesia) Mbe'ae
Tulamni Yokuts (Buena Vista Lake Cal. USA) Anhan
Tulu (India) Ijji
Tulu (India) Iddi
Tupi [Nheengatu] (Brazil) Mbaa
Tupi [Tembé Tenetéhar] (Amazon Brazil) Naani
Tupi [Tembé Tenetéhar] (Brazil) [emphatic) Naanikwaw
Tupi [Tembé Tenetéhar] (Brazil) [by women] Naani-mia
Turkish (Turkey, Northern Cyprus) Hayir
Turkmen (Turkmenistan) Yok
Tuvan (Russia) Chok
Twi (Ghana) Daabí
Tzeltal (Chiapas Mexico) Ju'uk
Tzeltal (Chiapas Mexico) [there isn't] Ma'yuk
Tzotzil (Chiapas Mexico) I'i
Tzotzil (Chiapas Mexico) Mo'oj
Tzotzil (Chiapas Mexico)[before consonant] Mu
Tzotzil (Chiapas Mexico)[before vowel] Muc
Tzutujil (Mexico) Ma
Tzutujil (Mexico) Maan

Udmurt (Russia) Övöl
Udmurt (Russia) Ug
Udmurt (Russia) En
Ukrainian (Ukraine) Ni
Ulcha (Russia) Ana
Urdu (Pakistan, India, Central Asia) Nahin
Urdu (Pakistan, India, Central Asia) NehiiN
Urubu (Brazil) Anin
Uspantec (Guatemala) Ta'
Ute (Colorado and Utah USA) Kach
Ute (Colorado and Utah USA) Ka-
Uyghur (Central Asia) Jyok
Uyghur (Central Asia) Yaq
Uzbek (Uzbekistan, Afghanistan) Yuk
Uzbek (Uzbekistan, Afghanistan) Yöq

Valencian (Spain) No
Veps (Russia) Ei
Vietnamese (Vietnam) Không
Vietnamese (Vietnam) Thưa không
Villamontes Tupi-Guarani (Bolivia) Awigi
Visayan [Cebuano] (Philippines) Dili
Visayan [old Cebuano] (Philippines) [old] Tifale
[Vlaams, see Dutch (Belgium)]
[Vogul, see Mansi]
Võro (Estonia) Õih
Võro (Estonia) Eih
Võro (Estonia) Õi
Võro (Estonia) Õiq
Võro (Estonia) Eiq
Võro (Estonia) Iq
Votic (Russia) Ei
Votic (Russia) Eb
Votic (Russia) Ep

Wagiman (Australia) Wihya
Waigali (India) Mi
Wakhi (Central Asia) Neis
Wali [Wa] (Northern Ghana) Aye
Waljen (Australia) Wandi
Walpiri (Australia) [literally: 'nothing'] Lawa
Walpiri (Australia) [in negative commands] Walku
Wangaaybuwan-ngiyambaa (Australia) Wangaay
Wangaaybuwan-ngiyambaa (Australia) Wayil
Washo (California United States) Ès
Waura (Brazil) A
Waura (Brazil) Aitsa
Wayilwan (Australia) Wayil
Wechihit Yokuts (Sanger California USA) Ohòm
Welsh (Wales) Na
Welsh (Wales) [no I didn't] Naddo
Welsh (Wales) [no I didn't] Nage
Welsh (Wales) [no I don't want] Nagoes
Welsh (Wales) [no I am not] Nac ydw
Wik-mungkan (Australia) Ya'a
Winnemem Wintu (California United States) El-eh-oh
Wintu (California United States) Min
Wintu (California United States) Mina
Wiradjuri (Australia) Wirraay
Wiyot (California United States) Kia
Wo'lasi Yokuts [Wo'ladji] (Calif. USA) Ohom
Wolayta (Ethiopia) Gidena
Wolof (West Africa) Deedeet
Wu Chinese (China) Va zi
Wükchamni Yokuts (Kaweah River Calif. USA) K'amu

/Xam (South Africa) |na
//Xegwi (South Africa) K'au
//Xegwi (South Africa) K'auki
Xerente (Brazil) Anrê
Xetá (Brazil) Ñiá
Xhosa (South Africa) Hayi

Yamagata (Japan) Nne
Yao (Africa) Ngava
Yaqui (Mexico, United States) 'É'e
Yawdanchi Yokuts (foothills Californ. USA) K'amu
Yawelmani Yokuts (Kern River Calif. USA) Ohom
Yeyi (Botswana) Iyemwa
Yeyi (Botswana) Ee
Yiddish (Europe) Nit
Yiddish (Europe) Neyn
Yindjibarndi (Australia) Mita
Yokuts [Buena Vista] (foothills Calif.) Anhan
Yokuts [Poso Creek] (foothills Calif. USA) K'ami
Yokuts [Tule] (foothills California USA) K'amu
Yokuts [Kings River] (foothills Calif.) K'amu
Yokuts (north valley California USA) Ohom
Yolngu Matha (Australia) Yaka
Yoruba (Benin, Nigeria) Rara
Yoruba (Benin, Nigeria) Oti
Yoruba (Benin, Nigeria) Béè kó
Yucatec Maya (Yucatán Mexico) Ma'
Yucatec Maya (Yucatán Mexico) Maa
Yugur [Western Yugur] (Gansu China) Yahq
Yuki (California United States) Tan
Yuki (California United States) Mi-tang-keh
Yumpla Tok (Torres Strait Australia) No
Yupik (Alaska USA) Ganga

Zapotec (Oaxaca Mexico) Que
Zapotec (Oaxaca Mexico) Ka'á
Zapotec (Oaxaca Mexico) Ko'
Zapotec (Oaxaca Mexico) Akti
Zapotec (Yatzachi Mexico) Bi
Zapotec (Yatzachi Mexico) Bito
Zapotec (Yatzachi Mexico) Cabi
Zapotec (Yatzachi Mexico) Abi
Zapotec (Zoogocho Mexico) Bi
Zapotec (Zoogocho Mexico) Bibi
Zapotec (Zoogocho Mexico) Bitw
Zapotec (Zoogocho Mexico) Cabi
Zhuang (China) Bow
Zhurzhen (China) Ejxe
Zoque (Mexico) Watkáh
Zoque (Mexico) Ja'ne
Zoque (Mexico) N@7tti
Zulu (South Africa, Lesotho) Cha
Zulu (South Africa, Lesotho) Tsha
Zulu (South Africa, Lesotho) Haai ngeko
Zuñi (Southwest United States) 'Ella

 

[Zylark]

Some kind of 'clan' or 'group' support in-game is coming. I do not know in what form, and how it will be different from more traditional 'guilds' in other MMOs', but there is already some allowances for it in the basic structure of the game. For instance clan-tags exist already in the database. There just is no ingame hooks to them for player-groups to self-administer these. Most our members in Contrail got the [CTRL] clan-tag after our name by sending a request and a confirmation-code (to verify one is in our group) to the support staff.

Also, whatever shape the clan/group-support will take, it will also include minor factions in some manner or another. As a host of player-groups have received on request a minor faction in their name that control the controlling station in a system.

How this all will develop in the future is not easy to predict, as FD tend to want to do things their own way and not necessarily the traditional one. Though the low-hanging fruit would be to have some kind of group-management built into the game that resemble what we have in for instance War Thunder and World of Tanks. That would at least serve to relieve the support-staff the task of adding and removing clan-tags from people as they join or leave a group.

 

[Pomerlaw]

Frontier could offer someting limited, like a small asteroid base only a group could buy, or a small moon base you could own... Without giving clans the power to buy something like a Coriolis!

 

[Kristov]

One thing, the whole 'boss people around' bit and the 'groupmind/sheeple mentality' bit...those are things that happen, I won't deny it, I've seen it, I've accidently joined groups over the years in small games that turned out to be just those. I always quickly left said groups because, at the end of the day, you CAN always leave them, you don't have to stay, you don't even have to join in the first place, it's ALWAYS up to the individual.

I'm part of a unit that's been gaming together in online games for 20 years now, various games and genres of games, from first person shooters to RPGs, we play all sorts of games together and we have fun. We're a very competitive group of players generally, we lead leaderboards, win leagues, that's what we do, and in combat that is for a purpose, our comms are mostly silence. 20 years, we don't need to talk much, but any comms will be important and rank matters.

Outside of those rare important drops, we could give a rat's furry rear end about rank or anything of that sort. We're friends who've been gaming together for 20 years, we talk about kids, grandkids in a few cases, SO's, work, politics, whatever, doesn't matter. Our FIRST priority for any possible recruit to our unit is very important to us...you have to be someone we enjoy bsing with. Being good at the game, we can teach you that if it's important, but we can NOT teach you how to be someone we like to with, so that's our primary concern. You have to be good with listening to us as we get high or drunk and get stupid, we have to be good listening to you do that as well. We don't tell you how to think, what to do or how to play the game, unless it's a combat drop for a reason(league/ladder rank game), do whatever the hell you want, WE will, you can count on that! I belonged to a guild in DDO and SW:TOR that is the same, only in that, the guild leader was ALWAYS the first to die and his wife was always lost somewhere, so one of us would have to get the guild leader up while someone else was playing guide for her, and we had a blast. We had so many party wipes it wasn't funny, but that's why we had so much fun together, it wasn't serious, it was a GAME and we were just having fun. -)SiN(-, group I played BF games with, some of the best teammates in the world, some of the WORST human beings on the planet, loved gaming with them. During combat that counted, it was just like a real life combat op, the rest of the time, oh my gods we were HORRIBLE to each other! Tking was the LEAST of the things we'd do to each other, and we had a blast the whole time, cussing each other out on voice comms, laughing so hard we could barely play the game.

THAT is what most units/team/groups/clans are really like, just a group of like minded people who enjoy bsing with each other while they play a video game, that's it. You can find the other types, the 'do as you're told and shut your trap otherwise' units, they exist, but you have to want to do that, no one forces you to do it. And in most games, the units can't force anyone to do anything, just doesn't work that way. In Elite Dangerous, they can't do it either, even now The Code and Smiling Dog Crew can't FORCE anyone to be a victim of their ganking, you can easily avoid them by going to Solo or Group, or simply avoid the area they are, your choice.