What did you do in Planet Zoo today?

[GGG2021]

Urufu1997 - that is lovely - very European woodlandy - 10 out of 10
Being Australian the plants you have used are more European soft/gentle and beautiful. We have lots of spiky, poisonous death plants Australia - so nice to see your more user friendly plants. Forgot to mention earlier - the Cycad contains heaps of Cyanide and steer clear of the sap and especially sap/moisture in the seeds(contain cycasin and neocycasin - These glycosides of cycads are considered pseudocyanogenic with little potential to liberate hydrogen cyanide as other cyanogenic glycosides do). Good for your enemies perhaps - but be careful when trimming and cutting yours.

 

[Swjosdotschka]

I'm currently creating a big Borneo House in Preparation for the Proboscis Monkeys the Zoo will get. In Cooperation with Singapore Zoo (with other Words I've read their Website )

Whoooo?

And I don't know if to feel excited or worried. ^^ I don't particularly love Prob. monkeys, but they are monkeys nontheless and that's a plus. But so far, every proboscis monkey we had in germany didn't make it very long. So I hope they figured out what was the reason for the early deathes and the new ones are save.

 

[Firestar97]

Whoooo?

And I don't know if to feel excited or worried. ^^ I don't particularly love Prob. monkeys, but they are monkeys nontheless and that's a plus. But so far, every proboscis monkey we had in germany didn't make it very long. So I hope they figured out what was the reason for the early deathes and the new ones are save.

Seems like one of the Main Problems is the Food. They eat only specific Plants and only the youngest Leaves and Shoots. I wonder if the Zoos that tried to keep them also gave them Access to Water (maybe they'll get stressed or something else if they can't swim). The Website of Singapore Zoo mentions that they are never further away from a Body of Water than 600m. Sad that we don't have more tropical Plants. This makes it very likely that we don't have a single one of the Food Plants in the Game. I would really like to build a Greenhouse next to the Building with the necessary Plants inside of it, where the Zookeepers could collect Leaves every Morning. Inside the Building they will share a Mangrove Forest Enclosure with Bornean Orangutans. Of course it has lots of Water.
Besides my Orangutan Breeding Center on Borneo, this will probably be my only Zoo that will keep them.
Also there's a interesting Quote on the German Wikipedia Page for the Species

Gerade in neuerer Zeit denkt man immer öfter an die Haltung von Nasenaffen, da mittlerweile das Bereitstellen von Blätternahrung und geeigneten Lebensräumen in den „Zoos der Zukunft“ einfacher geworden ist – oder zumindest einfacher zu praktizieren ist.

In more recent Times Zoos think about keeping Proboscis Monkeys, because providing the necessary Leaf Food and Habitat became easier in the ,,Zoos of the Future"

that is lovely - very European woodlandy -

So weird that everyone says this. But at least understandable because temperate Asia and Europe have similar Vegetation. I've tried to only use Asian Plants in the Enclosure. But at the End I couldn't resist to add those white north American Flowers

 

[GGG2021]

So weird that everyone says this. But at least understandable because temperate Asia and Europe have similar Vegetation. I've tried to only use Asian Plants in the Enclosure. But at the End I couldn't resist to add those white north American Flowers

It's funny - green in Australia is really different - the plants are also very different in the colourings - because its brighter light here - greens have a more subdued and blander look - I have blue/grey eyes and my eyes are very sensitive to the outside light and I have to wear sunnies all the time outdoors. People from Europe that come to Aus always say its incredibly bright and that the sky seems higher - more vast. And when i look at European plants and landscapes - I cannot believe the difference with the lush and luxuriant greens - really noticeable when I looked at your photos in the Dhole habitat. Our blues are really vivid though - the sea is incredibly amazing to look at here - especially in Queensland.
What the DEV'c have captured with the Oceania plants is amazing - very accurate

 

[Cool Cats and Kittens]

In the last month, I continued with the renovation of my franchise zoo. I decided to build a second entrance to help the guest spread more evenly across the zoo. But I wanted to make sure that the new entrance does not outshine my old historical main entrance, which is not very impressive in the first place though.

This entrance is based on the entrance on Amsterdam Zoo. I had to endure one of those timed scenarios to unlock the golden flamingo statue. But I think it was worth it. The entrance fits really well next to my restaurant / stock holder club. This building is based on the old restaurant of the Breslau zoo, which is today used as a reptile house from the Wrocław Zoo. I used this building instead of Cologne's restaurant (but on the historical place of said restaurant), because I already had it from another zoo and could not be bothered to build Colognes old restaurant. Breslaus restaurant looks better anyways.

The zoos of Amsterdam and Breslau played an important role in Cologne's history: Amsterdam as a role model when Cologne zoo was founded in the 1860s and Breslau as a source of animals after WWI when Breslau went bankrupt. So i am glad to "honor" those zoos by lending some of their buildings for my zoo.

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I also build the second habitat of my elephant house for the African DLC animal I am most exited about: The Rhino. The rhinos space requirement really took me by surprise. I had to rebuild the habitat to make it bigger and socialized the rhinos with the wildebeest. The wildebeest had to move from their old habitat anyways , because I have other plans there, and the rhino habitat would look to empty with only four rhinos in this huge habitat.

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[NZFanatic]

Whoooo?

And I don't know if to feel excited or worried. ^^ I don't particularly love Prob. monkeys, but they are monkeys nontheless and that's a plus. But so far, every proboscis monkey we had in germany didn't make it very long. So I hope they figured out what was the reason for the early deathes and the new ones are save.

As Urufu says, the big issue is literally just diet. All previous attempts at holding them outside of Asia were in the 70's, with the majority of animals in American and European zoos being dead by 1997 (according to a survey). Singapore struggled at first to get their monkeys enough protein and essential amino acids but figured out that they can supplement the natural diet with more conventional zoo food (eggs, "monkey biscuits", etc.) to make their troop thrive.

 

[Firestar97]

As Urufu says, the big issue is literally just diet. All previous attempts at holding them outside of Asia were in the 70's, with the majority of animals in American and European zoos being dead by 1997 (according to a survey). Singapore struggled at first to get their monkeys enough protein and essential amino acids but figured out that they can supplement the natural diet with more conventional zoo food (eggs, "monkey biscuits", etc.) to make their troop thrive.

Didn't know that Singapore Zoo also struggled and that they also eat the Things you've mentioned, considering that they are such picky Eaters. It's fascinating to learn new Things about a Species that is so hard to keep in Captivity.
There's just one Thing I find a bit weird. You can have so many males in the Game in a normal Group but I'm pretty sure in the Wild every Group has only one adult male. What is it like in the Zoos that can keep them?

 

[Ulysse]

Rocks and branchs?

Me: yes

Small habitat for red pandas.

 

[Firestar97]

Rocks and branchs?

Me: yes

Small habitat for red pandas.
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Looks really nice great Job

 

[Swjosdotschka]

As Urufu says, the big issue is literally just diet. All previous attempts at holding them outside of Asia were in the 70's, with the majority of animals in American and European zoos being dead by 1997 (according to a survey). Singapore struggled at first to get their monkeys enough protein and essential amino acids but figured out that they can supplement the natural diet with more conventional zoo food (eggs, "monkey biscuits", etc.) to make their troop thrive.

But I found an article about Appenheul in the neatherlands, where they said just that. That it was linked to food and they accomodated that by keepin fresh leafs in refrigerating storage house and things like that. That was in 2011, so not that long ago and not in the 70s, and the monkeys still died one year, two year and three years later.
Maybe it's also linked to humidity or something like that? I feel torn about another atempted of keeping them outside of asia, to be honest.

 

[Firestar97]

But I found an article about Appenheul in the neatherlands, where they said just that. That it was linked to food and they accomodated that by keepin fresh leafs in refrigerating storage house and things like that. That was in 2011, so not that long ago and not in the 70s, and the monkeys still died one year, two year and three years later.
Maybe it's also linked to humidity or something like that? I feel torn about another atempted of keeping them outside of asia, to be honest.

What did the Enclosure look like. I still wonder if my Theory could be true that they might get too stressed or apathetic if they can't swim

 

[Aramar]

I went back to my main zoo after my vacation break. I added the white rhinoceros to the big savannah habitat, but then the number of species in the habitat rose to 9 and I didn't have enough space on the wall to add another education board. I decided to remove the springbok from the savannah and relocate them to the new desert area that is under construction and leaving only the Thompson gazelles in the mixed habitat. I think I must have already moved almost all the African animals

 

[NZFanatic]

But I found an article about Appenheul in the neatherlands, where they said just that. That it was linked to food and they accomodated that by keepin fresh leafs in refrigerating storage house and things like that. That was in 2011, so not that long ago and not in the 70s, and the monkeys still died one year, two year and three years later.
Maybe it's also linked to humidity or something like that? I feel torn about another atempted of keeping them outside of asia, to be honest.

I don't think climate has much to do with it. It isn't just about their natural diet - Singapore used their natural diet exclusively when they first housed them and lost a lot of monkeys. There are other things they must eat in the wild that we just don't know enough about (a good example of such behaviour is how we didn't know elephants ventured into caves for salt licks until quite recently; this was an aspect of their natural behaviour and diet that we knew nothing about). Singapore only found success when they started supplementing the animals' diet.

There's a chance that humidity might play into it, with regards to respiratory issues, but that isn't something that would be a mystery post-mortem; when they expose the lungs during the autopsy they'd be able to see pretty quickly the effects of humidity (as respiratory issues are the most common effect associated with humidity).

There's also the fact that the red-shanked douc, a monkey that lives in a similar climate, suffered the same problems as proboscis monkeys outside of Asia for a long time, but more and more zoos are keeping them now because we know more about how they live and eat. I'm not an expert, but I think once you nail the diet and maybe provide some kind of compensation for climate (you could still do an outdoor enclosure, but perhaps an indoor area as well with suitable heat and enough water to create moisture in the air).

 

[NZFanatic]

What did the Enclosure look like. I still wonder if my Theory could be true that they might get too stressed or apathetic if they can't swim

There's a picture of that habitat on google images I believe - I saw it while researching the subject. It was an outdoor habitat with plenty of ropes. I honestly don't know what kind of effect swimming would have on them, but I can't imagine it's anything too dramatic. Of course I'm not a primatologist. I don't know whether Singapore gives them a lot of space to swim or not.

 

[Firestar97]

There's a picture of that habitat on google images I believe - I saw it while researching the subject. It was an outdoor habitat with plenty of ropes. I honestly don't know what kind of effect swimming would have on them, but I can't imagine it's anything too dramatic. Of course I'm not a primatologist. I don't know whether Singapore gives them a lot of space to swim or not.

At least it's mentioned on the Website of the Singapore Zoo that they go never further away from the Water than 600m

 

[Firestar97]

I don't know whether Singapore gives them a lot of space to swim or not.

They do even have Underwater Viewing there

Source: https://youtu.be/JZf4tLXvFwA

And I start to think maybe a Proboscis Monkey Thread should be opened, considering how long this Discussion gets

 

[Cool Cats and Kittens]

Here is a picture form their enclosure in 2013. Surprisingly, the monkeys were on an island. Wether the water is warm enough to swim is another question though:

Les Zoos dans le Monde - Apenheul

Informations sur « Apenheul »

www.leszoosdanslemonde.com

 

[Aramar]

So here I go again. After many movings in my Zarpa zoo, I've started expanding the zoo again with the new habitats for the gemsboks and the springboks. These habitats are quite big, because I hope that in the future I can squeeze an addax in. The entrance to the new area is next to the African wild dog and I've built a kind of tower to attract some people, since this new area is a cul-de-sac.

Spoiler: Gemsbok

Spoiler: Springbok

 

[DarthQuell]

So here I go again. After many movings in my Zarpa zoo, I've started expanding the zoo again with the new habitats for the gemsboks and the springboks. These habitats are quite big, because I hope that in the future I can squeeze an addax in. The entrance to the new area is next to the African wild dog and I've built a kind of tower to attract some people, since this new area is a cul-de-sac.

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Spoiler: Gemsbok

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Spoiler: Springbok

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I like the way you make your builds match the terrain

 

[mikek21]

I wanted to add some detail to one of my off-show holding areas, so I used custom billboards to create some type of control panels. The one on the left is intended as some type of electrical control panel, and the one on the right is supposed be show various systems statuses.

I used the smallest custom billboard and just sourced the images from the net. The one on the left is just obviously rotated vertically. I think they look pretty good and add some realism. I have plans to do a penguin house at some point and doing something similar where I could have displays for temperature control, lighting, water quality etc.