What happened to the graphics / textures?

Kerrash

Kerrash
I can understand the frustration, but if the point has been raised then it would help to have link back to the original conversation.
As I said above the problem here is vague statements, not whether they are right or wrong.

Conversely, I have to ask, if posting ad nauseum has no apparent effect; why do people keep doing so?
Why not just post once, make your point and let it be?
 

StiTch

StiTch
Kerrash said:
Conversely, I have to ask, if posting ad nauseum has no apparent effect; why do people keep doing so?
Why not just post once, make your point and let it be?
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I try to respect the good moderators around here, but that's utterly shameful sentiment.

"If a valid concern around FD's combined laziness and unwillingess to share development information in a kickstarter project is raised, and by a multitude of players, should FD ignore it just...shut up and take it".

I can understand why FD aren't quick to make every last machination of their publically visible, or are even reserved around general information, but there comes a point when a concern has been made very clear and you're just burying heads in the sand, fingers in ears, yelling "lah lah lah".

Stop telling the players what they should and shouldn't say on the topic and go have a chat with the actual rude bois would you? I get the feeling half of the complaints could be abated with a simple indication of FD's stance.
 
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Kerrash

Kerrash
Sorry, but that's not what I meant.
Discuss by all means, that absolutely what the forums are for.
I am not saying people should shut up and accept things, just that people need to be able to separate personal subjective opinion from an objective comparison.

I do not want to have a for/against back and forth argument between posters.
What I was asking for were some specific examples so we can have an open an honest discussion.
 

Kerrash

Kerrash
StiTch said:
... has chosen a poor few choice words ;)
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Yeah, it's apparent that I need to be more clear so that people don't immediately read into my posts that I am trying to defend FD.

To start from the beginning, yes I agree with the OP that some of the shots look better in beta.
What I would like to ask is, what specifically in those examples have changed for the better/worse in thier opinion?
The first step to fixing a problem is to identify it ;)
 
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StiTch

StiTch
Kerrash said:
What I would like to ask is, what specifically in those examples have changed for the better/worse in thier opinion?
The first step to fixing a problem is to identify it ;)
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There's been quite a few threads and threads where the old threads have been referenced :p Hence the disgruntlement. But it'd be really good, if nothing else, to hear what the plans are around - as Mengy champions the issue as - beigification. If anything has been said on the topic, I've missed it; what's the word moving forwards?

Whitehair said:
Dude. Take a step back and look at the timing of the posts.
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I can't. The relevant posts no longer exist. If I missed some point of comedy, I apologise :)
 

Kerrash

Kerrash
StiTch said:
...If I missed some point of comedy, I apologise :)
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No worries, text is often misinterpreted :p
I am posting as a player as much as everyone else here.

jasonbarron said:
It is pretty darn weird to see the visuals of a game get worse as development continues.
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Well, I would argue they have in some places; but vastly improved in others.
I mean, we never had neutron jet cones in the beginning.
Like all game development it is a question of balance and sacrifice.
 
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Mengy

Mengy
Kerrash said:
Conversely, I have to ask, if posting ad nauseum has no apparent effect; why do people keep doing so?
Why not just post once, make your point and let it be?
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I'd say that the largest reason why this issue remains so up front and regular in the community is due to one reason: hope. Hope for positive change, hope that the game's planetary graphics will at least return to where they used to be, but preferably improve rather than degrade. Yes planet surface texture quality has improved but planets are far less interesting looking than they used to be, by a large margin, and many players do not like that and want it to be addressed. It's especially frustrating with regards to the beigefication which Frontier devs have admitted was due to a mistake, and Frontier has stated they would like to fix it, yet here we are a year later and still no development on the problem, and barely any communication about it either. Thus, people keep bringing up the issue in the hopes that just maybe Frontier will notice and do something about it.
 

Kerrash

Kerrash
Mengy said:
... a year later and still no development on the problem, and barely any communication about it either. Thus, people keep bringing up the issue in the hopes that just maybe Frontier will notice and do something about it.
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Yeah I get that, the secrecy is applied in the wrong areas IMO. Sure, I can understand trying to hide big plot spoilers but more openness on the technical side would be nice. Bring back dev diaries I say! :D

I think in the case of the planet shaders, they were chosen as a victim to be scaled back to allow everything else to incrementally improve (e.g. ships, stars, galaxy, HUD, particles etc). This is a tough call to make and one that is quite often a point of contention in many games.

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Skizomeuh said:
BTW: was this a landable planet?...
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The closest I could find was Groombridge 1618 A 4 which is a Mars-like with an Orbis station.
 
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verminstar

Banned
verminstar
Mengy said:
I'd say that the largest reason why this issue remains so up front and regular in the community is due to one reason: hope. Hope for positive change, hope that the game's planetary graphics will at least return to where they used to be, but preferably improve rather than degrade. Yes planet surface texture quality has improved but planets are far less interesting looking than they used to be, by a large margin, and many players do not like that and want it to be addressed. It's especially frustrating with regards to the beigefication which Frontier devs have admitted was due to a mistake, and Frontier has stated they would like to fix it, yet here we are a year later and still no development on the problem, and barely any communication about it either. Thus, people keep bringing up the issue in the hopes that just maybe Frontier will notice and do something about it.
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The etrnal optimist...dunno how ye keep going man they been ignoring this fer over a year, and quite frankly I can no longer be bothered with trying to get through to them. They broke something and they know they have and now will continue to ignore the issue while we go through another several mega salt threads.
 

Loskene

L
Jools said:
they got optimized around the time of console releases. Nothing to do with consoles though.

Expect more downgrades when new features arrive
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They've really poisoned the word "optimisation" around here haven't they. Optimisation means getting the same system to do the exact same job while requiring less resources to do it. The word you're looking for is "downgrade"
 

Skizomeuh

Skizomeuh
Kerrash said:
The closest I could find was Groombridge 1618 A 4 which is a Mars-like with an Orbis station.
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Yeah... Looking at the pic once again it seems to show some kind of atmosphere layer outlining the planet (look at the bottom-left of the pic)
 

StiTch

StiTch
Loskene said:
Optimisation means getting the same system to do the exact same job while requiring less resources to do it.
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Er...since when?

Optimisation is the process of finding the best specs a console/setup can run at, even if those specs are mediocre. It usually means tweaking settings until the experience is the highest quality you can get it that will still run consistently.

Yes consoles might drag PCs back but you're still optimising for the console.

2/10, pls try moar convincing rage.
 
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