What has happened to chivalry?
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He thinks a Clipper is a scary and dangerous ship...wait until he see's an anaconda!
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"Comrad Stalin, we outnumber the fascist hordes 7 to 1."
"Purge 6 men out of seven for chivalry's sake."
Do you really really think that an "armed and dangerous" Clipper is really that scary? With the groups that you mentioned, a Clipper would be a light snack at best. Most likely you were not interdicted because you were not trader fit. You are not being interdicted because you are some big scary clipper with gimble weapons and weak shields that would be alphaed in 3 seconds. You are not being interdicted because you are not trading, therefore have no cargo, therefore a waste of time to pirates. Standard policy for pirates are to not waste time with combat ships unless they really want to start something. Go for the cargo, get in get out, grab the next target.
This community amazes me. You pirate ships, therefore you are a "griever coward" for going after unarmed ships. You leave the non-trader ships alone because it's a waste of time, but now you are still a coward for not engaging with some noob combat ship. You engage a noob combat ship, but now you are a coward and griever for killing ships and not pirating.
If you really want to entertain how badass you are, please bring your Clipper to Kaushpoos. I'll give you the advantage and use my Viper. Unless your bark is indeed worse than your bite.
Most of the groups you mentioned have plenty of videos out there engaging in combat with equal ships on each side, often 10+ ships on both sides. Either that or outnumbered. Most of the ganks that do happen don't even have anything to do with these groups, but people like you will just pull their names from a hat every time this kind of event happens. That is your only defense. It's amazing that with all the crying going on here that all these names cannot assemble a combat wing or 2 to clear the system. At the first CG for Kaushpoos it took minimal organization from real PvPers to combat other real PvPers. Meanwhile, folks like you are crying and puffing their chest on the forums.
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Chivalry died in the late 18th or century, I believe. It is unlikely that people in the E D Universe of the year 3300 even recognize the term.
it died at the Battle of Agincourt
I'll just s..say "Humans"...
Mark my words! chivalry is not dead, and yes I have seen it in combat, in recent years! so I agree
with the OP, gankers are *ankers of the worst sort!
with the OP, gankers are *ankers of the worst sort!
That's not true. If you ask for a 1vs1 every RoA will accept that. Most of CTRL and Code will do that too. By the way, we do not fly only Condas and Pythons, because these ships are to slow and it would be to easy to escape
And I will direct YOU to the recent ROA thread where they quite clearly state, multiple times from multiple members, that they will do exactly as what I stated. See, this is something I've talked with Gluttony about before, if you don't muzzle your dogs, they end up making a lot of trouble for you. The Code is doing much better on that lately, kudos to them for that, guess some of you others still need to learn that lesson?
Funny guy, I'm not worth the effort for you real PvPers because I'm not in a defenseless trading vessel? Really? So..that scares you enough to jump one with multiple wings? While my Clipper is something you ignore because it can't possibly be worth your time, even though it carries a hell of a lot more cargo than a T6? Yeah, no, you aren't making much sense here, guess you got too scared at the thought of maybe having an armed target to deal with and can't think straight?
Look kid, I've flown all around the bubble looking for trouble in Open, I found a few souls who were become stamps on the side of my ship, that's been it. I've been in the home systems of the big bad PvP groups, I've seen them, they've seen me and they ignored me, even when I attempted to chase them, they wouldn't play. I'm pretty sure it's not my BO, I shower daily, and if my Clipper is such a non-threat, why would they run away? THEY post about how they'll kill any player who enters their systems, they don't need a reason, it's THEIR system, so I went looking for some dance partners. I found no one willing to dance with me in my Clipper, which oddly enough, seems to generally be accepted as a good combat ship, but according to you is weak and worthless?
I don't bother looking for trouble any more, it's pointless, the gankers don't want real fights, they want to gank, they brag about it, and some of you are trying to tell us otherwise? Guess you missed the posts BY those groups on this stuff, recent posts no less, not months and months old, HOURS old, so..yeah...no.
And Liqua, real PvPers, we want good fights, we don't stock up on health potions before hand to use during that fight, that's not a good fight at all. I don't expect most of this community to understand this, you aren't PvPers, most of you are PvE and that's it, which is why so many of you think the PvP in this game is good and solid, when in reality it's a bad joke. This is the only online game on my computer that isn't pure PvP, I have 1 other game that isn't PvP or online, the original Witcher(W2 on my xbox, probably get 3 soon as well, amazing games), PvP is what I prefer, it's my preference, competing with other human beings in a combat situation. I used to do it in real life, but I broke my neck and can't do that anymore, so I do it on computers, it's not the same but it's as close as I can get these days. I knew before I got Elite Dangerous that the PvP was a joke, but I figured I'd give a try, enough people on the forums talking it up, what the hell right? It's a joke, a bad joke at that, and the few people who would engage with me, no clue what they were doing, fights were a joke, for pity's sake, I RAN over a Viper with my T6, no guns, no shields, just military reinforced hull and A spec'd everything, RAN HIM OVER AND KILLED HIM! It's a bad joke, that's all it is, unless the players purposely limit themselves to not using SCBs or shield boosters, use ships of equal size and ability and agree to basic combat rules, and that's not a common thing by any means, is it? The groups I named, they don't do that stuff, I don't expect them to actually, but when they go around talking about how badass they are, they are PvPers and gods at all, it amuses the hell out of me, gankers talking about being good, that's funny stuff right there!
I'm out by Sag A* and making my way back to the bubble, been over a month out in the Black, only coming back to get my Horizons stuff so I can head right back and land on planets. I got this game for the exploration and open game play, not the PvP, I knew it was a joke before I bought it, my MWO friends who bought Elite had already make THAT aspect of it real clear, fun at first but a bad joke over all. They are PvPers, so the rest of Elite didn't really interest them. A few other MWO folks are here, and they seem to be like me, out in the Black exploring, something we can't get with MWO at all, it's PURE PvP, nothing else at all, and that gets a little stale after a while. We won't run away from it if it happens, we ARE PvPers first and foremost, but in this game, I know I'm not looking for it anymore, it's such a bad joke.
Nope, I want some PvP in space ships, I drop into CQC, it's not really great, but it's fun. I actually enjoy it slightly more than Arena Commander in SC right now, but that's probably because SC's flight model is what it is still, and the lack of good peripheral support..UGH! Hoping that will improve with alpha 2.0, but I'm not sold that the PvP in SC will actually be much better than Elite's currently, they are going with the same PvE model, which is good for an MMO game that's not based on PvP but on PvE, so we'll see. I've always got MWO for my PvP itch after all, Hammer, MAD and now the Rifleman being added...if only they'd redo my BattleMaster with the classic cockpit...*sigh*...
Chivalry died with the knights of old. But I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few groups trying to bring it back.
No, he's right. There has been chivalry in the past. I'm afraid it might be you that requires the history lesson
No, he's right. There has been chivalry in the past. I'm afraid it might be you that requires the history lesson
There's been individuals who engaged sometimes in chivalrous behavior in battles, but it's never been a wide-spread culture-wide thing, at any time or place. The noble knight or samurai or whatever, treating his enemies fairly and only accepting fights on equal terms, has ALWAYS been the exception. Usually because they're pretty quickly killed off by more practical people.
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I find it less an issue of chivalry and more an issue of respect and honour.
Really, Modernity happened. Those who are decent and respectful will be taken advantage of and destroyed. If they aren't destroyed, they will usually cease their decency. It is the biggest, most plaguing case of "one rotten apple".
Really, Modernity happened. Those who are decent and respectful will be taken advantage of and destroyed. If they aren't destroyed, they will usually cease their decency. It is the biggest, most plaguing case of "one rotten apple".
There's been individuals who engaged sometimes in chivalrous behavior in battles, but it's never been a wide-spread culture-wide thing, at any time or place. The noble knight or samurai or whatever, treating his enemies fairly and only accepting fights on equal terms, has ALWAYS been the exception. Usually because they're pretty quickly killed off by more practical people.
And entire groups of people... Remember during World War One, there'd often be football matches in No-man's Land at Christmas.
Ha, I thought I wrote in "and rarely even whole groups". You are correct though. Although I'd argue that the WWI example is less about being chivalrous and more a combination of the groups involved having no real major problems with each other, sharing much of the same cultural values, and just wanting to take a break from the carnage.
I take your point, but I think it falls under the category of chivalry. You're absolutely right, they were taking a break from the carnage and shared the same cultural values. But it all relied on everyone agreeing "Yeah, let's not kill each other for the next few hours". Wouldn't take much for a few bad apples to cause a massive problem - hence I see it as chivalrous.
A better example of wartime chivalry might be this story:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Brown_and_Franz_Stigler_incident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Brown_and_Franz_Stigler_incident
I take your point, but I think it falls under the category of chivalry. You're absolutely right, they were taking a break from the carnage and shared the same cultural values. But it all relied on everyone agreeing "Yeah, let's not kill each other for the next few hours". Wouldn't take much for a few bad apples to cause a massive problem - hence I see it as chivalrous.
That's fair enough.
Although given that, I think someone could also argue that "what happened to chivalry" is that we took it so far that groups that share a lot of culture between them (at least in the developed world) now hardly ever even fight, do you don't even have the chance to see such "combat chivalry" in action. Hmm... Or you could argue that the lengths to which modern militaries go to try to avoid civilian casualties and render aid to civilian populations is a form of chivalry. I think I'm really off topic now...
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If you are in a no-win situation, you do not stick around to discuss chivalry. You run like the wind.