Or double its ammo capacity. May not be the most accurate or damaging but, boy, it won't stop hosing down the opposition with little plasma balls. Great for suppressive fire and lethal when there is no room to dodge. It already has the highest ammo capacity, I would just emphasize on that.
What is the Point of Manticore’s Oppressor?
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Double damage yes. Projectile velocity, no. It's supposed to be slow. Don't like slow? Use the other AR's. Don't like the resistance issues? Then complain about that.
I'm sure they'll get right on it! Right after they address the hundred other issues making Odyssey hardly worth spending time on.
I'm sure they'll get right on it! Right after they address the hundred other issues making Odyssey hardly worth spending time on.
Damned impressive stuff. Was holding out some vain hope for the oppressor, but alas, it shall not be today.
Out of interest, does the greater range upgrade improve a plasma weapon's shot speed, or did you just add it because the default 35m is kinda pitiful for an AR?
I was hoping to use the Opressor as the main weapon for Maverick builds, but it lacks oomph, as you've rightly surmised.
Yep. It was the only weapon I didn't pick up at G3 in Pioneer Supplies in the first few days after launch, so I ground one out to G3. I wanted it for my Maverick, and also for a second primary weapon for a rocket launcher Dominator build.
A few test runs in CZs, however, convinced me that it wasn't up to the task of serving as an alternative to the Aphelion/AR-50 combo.
Naah. Suppressed Tormentor and/or Intimidator would still outperform it (and FTR, suppressed Intimidator is fun to use for assassination jobs - it'll burn an indoor shielded guard really well, without the next room occupants hearing you
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I think a supressed teacup would still outperform it.Naah. Suppressed Tormentor and/or Intimidator would still outperform it (and FTR, suppressed Intimidator is fun to use for assassination jobs - it'll burn an indoor shielded guard really well, without the next room occupants hearing you
For comparison a G5 P-15 with headshot damage will oneshot any unshielded settlement NPC. And if that fails it still only takes 3 body shots, for a pistol that can fire 10 rounds/sec.
Yeh that's what I'm saying. They're all a bit too effective for sidearms. I think Fdev were a touch lenient on the penalty side of the guns. As in, none of them particularly perform in any area badly, they're all pretty accurate, all pretty good at range (even the Intimidator with mods). The net result is a game where weapon choice is more about "feel" and less about strict balancing options. You could throw a team together and all use the same guns, all use different guns or a mix between and I don't think it'd make much tactical difference to the power of that team.
It's not really a bad thing... it's mostly a single player game.
Yeah, I'd agree with that especially at G3+. At G1, especially against harder targets, you can see a difference, by G5 weapon choice is almost an aesthetic choice.
We can get halfway there with the Extra Ammo Capacity suit mod...
Doubling the Oppressor's current damage of 16.1 MJs pushes it to 32.2 MJ/s. That's still behind the 35.1 MJ/s of a G3 Intimidator, and with the current projectile velocity the Oppressor's actual effective engagement range is within the Intimidator's effective engagement range - which you can vastly expand with the use of a Scope mod due to the mod's unstated pellet spread tightening effect, with frankly terrifying results. Upping the damage of the Oppressor but not the velocity still means you are competing in shotgun ranges, and with the Intimidator's G5 DPS of 60.1 MJ/s you will lose that engagement the majority of the time.
On top of that, the Tormentor sidearm can achieve a G5 DPS of 38.1 MJ/s, and can down a High CZ target (likely ones that have the same health as a player in a G5 Dominator) in 3 shots minimum (2 body, 1 head). At a rate of fire of 1.7/second, that gives you a minimum of
In short: doubling the damage won't solve the Oppressor's issues. Changing its projectile velocity, and thus its effective engagement range, will.
(As an aside, the above are textbook Hand Cannon vs. Auto Rifle scenarios frequently seen in Destiny 2's PVP modes. Only way out of those are to outrange the Hand Cannon with a Scout or Sniper Rifle or force a close range shotgun engagement. Due to various factors such as map design, Hand Cannons have been overly dominant in Destiny 2's PVP since the Forsaken expansion released in 2018.)
After extensive playtesting, I don't see any particular reason why the Oppressor's projectiles should be slow to the point of being difficult to hit targets with at ten paces away.
My main weapon at the moment is that G5 AR-50 I posted in the OP.
The AR-50 is able to chew through targets in a High CZ in less than an Extended magazine with absolute ease, despite unfavorable shield resistances, as shown in the following video:
High CZ targets are the hardest NPCs you will encounter in Odyssey. If the AR-50 can handle those, it will handle anything Odyssey throws at it.
So no - I actually don't have an issue with the resistances.
They're definitely thinking about weapon balance alongside other issues. While more pressing issues take priority, they shouldn't preclude these balance discussions... though we should have discussed this back in Phase 2 of the Alpha, but hey - better late than never!
Sadly, Greater Range does not increase a weapon's projectile velocity. It does increase the range at which Damage Falloff kicks in. I added it to my first Oppressor in order to figure out what the mod actually does, which I documented over here. Needless to say I was - and am - disappointed that the mod doesn't help much with the Oppressor.
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Soooo plasma will be nerfed to the ground I guess.
It's not. You lead the target or wait for them to stop. The range is fine.
Increasing the projectile velocity would be a mistake. Plasma was intended to provide higher potential to players with skill and patience. This can only be achieved through increasing damage. The fact the Oppressor's dps isn't close to the other plasma weapons is the real issue.
If you can come up with a good reason why the oppressor should have fast projectiles, try one that isn't your inability to land hits as well as other players.
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My only issue with the Oppressor is its pitiful damage. The pistol can almost two-shot an enemy and the same goes for the Long range rifle, but for some reason the Oppressor seems to barely tickle enemies.
It's the same weapon it was before.
It's role is 'dedicated pea shooter'. You put your bag of freezer peas on the ground, crouch as close to it as you can, and dump three full magazines of your Oppressive into it. BAM! Luke warm freezer peas!