Dude, despite your flowery language, you don't understand the difference between objectification and sexual attraction. I am not going to explain it to you. The generally agreed scientific definition (and one I have no problem agreeing with) of objectification is available on the first page of a Google if you type it in.
What's with all the guys using female avatars?
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Dude, despite your flowery language, you don't understand the difference between objectification and sexual attraction. I am not going to explain it to you. The generally agreed scientific definition (and one I have no problem agreeing with) of objectification is available on the first page of a Google if you type it in.
if you want to discuss, present your argument. if you are going to refer people to google, you dont need to be participating in a discussion.
what argument i presented is valid and it stands.
Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer is a great place for using characters of all genders. Not sure one has the time to objectify while this is going on though:
[video=youtube_share;EPgJLZNnSqQ]https://youtu.be/EPgJLZNnSqQ[/video]
O look, I'm using a female avatar. She's a human adept. Next time I play I might go as a male Turian Soldier or Asari Biotic etc etc. game avatars, whatever. It's fun and in Elite dangerous there are "as pointed out" no buts to look at. The bodies are all samesame (with single option for male/female). The big diff are in the faces. Meh, much ado...
[video=youtube_share;EPgJLZNnSqQ]https://youtu.be/EPgJLZNnSqQ[/video]
O look, I'm using a female avatar. She's a human adept. Next time I play I might go as a male Turian Soldier or Asari Biotic etc etc. game avatars, whatever. It's fun and in Elite dangerous there are "as pointed out" no buts to look at. The bodies are all samesame (with single option for male/female). The big diff are in the faces. Meh, much ado...
Mass effect andromeda and its awkwardness is a perfect demonstration of violation of principle of equality as it pertains to this topic:
There is no way to effect features which are considered attractive female features in mainstream in the game's character creator. Any npc companion also excludes these to a great extent.
Meaning, any person who has the features of Sofía Vergara are undesirable in this game world and are non-represented. You just cannot pop any such character or see any such character in game. Which in turn implies that the philosophy which made this game as such, sees these people as undesirable.
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I haven't got Andromeda. Mixed reviews.
There's nothing to discuss. You don't understand the difference between objectification and sexual attraction. No amount of debate on this forum will change the definitions, or provide new definitions. You are of course, allowed to make up your own definitions in your head and then without particular research, or bothering to look it up, write trash and expect people to engage you sensibly. Free speech is great.
My favourite was Geth Engineer. I wonder what people will make of that...
Common phenomenon in gaming. MMORPG's in particular.
Once you understand the definition of the following terms, it all makes a lot more sense.
MMORPG - Mostly Men Online Role Playing Girls.
GIRL - Guy In Real Life.
The non understanding is on your side - Objectification per its definition involves degradation of the value of something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectification
You are talking about 'degrading' treatment of an in-game 3d model which is manifested by a programmatical object. Its not a real woman. Its the creation of the player. You cannot 'objectify' it, since it actually IS an object - its very probably an object which is created according to OOP programming principles.
Thus, the proposition becomes moot.
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Therefore, what you could argue, and by above definition what you (and others) had had argued, would evaluate the statement that goes in the form of "Creating in-game female toons with commonly acknowledged popular traits of attractiveness would objectify women in general therefore its not good'.
And the moment it goes there, the argument i posed becomes valid - with that logic, any kind of attraction, desire, preference would objectify any segment of population which has similar traits, therefore all of them become invalid.
I do have it... it's "ok". Also, I'm playing as a female in that game (andromeda)... and it's certainly not for titallation. Mass effect actually started my playing as a female because I thought the voice actor was so much better than the male actor... not so in andromeda as the voice actor for the female is quite bad (fairness may be bad direction; either way, it just doesn't sound right). What's this thread about again?
It's about done I think.
there is nothing 'done' about it. it has good discussion. even if i sidetracked with some people a bit.
if you dont want to, just dont participate. the thread is good and it is interesting.
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anyway. good evening people.
Indeed. Just made this one specifically for this thread. I call it "Ladies Night":
[video=youtube_share;a8fjfIWcHtU]https://youtu.be/a8fjfIWcHtU[/video]
Is it more socially acceptable to restrict your avatar's gender to your own real life gender?
And for those men who answer yes to this question, should your avatar also correctly depict your real life gray hair, wrinkles, pot belly, and all those other things that some people hope to escape for a while in a video game?
Or can we just make ourselves young and hot and ignore reality!?
And for those men who answer yes to this question, should your avatar also correctly depict your real life gray hair, wrinkles, pot belly, and all those other things that some people hope to escape for a while in a video game?
Or can we just make ourselves young and hot and ignore reality!?
What are the mechanisms? And how do you rule out arbitrary choice in a game that offers no advantage or penalty for any given selection?
Evolution may be the basis of human sexual impulses, but in terms of behaviour it is, or should be, irrelevant. We are sapient beings with the ability to assess and decide our own behaviour within our own social and environmental framework.
Evolution might have given us instincts, but it no longer compels is to act on them. Any argument for or against certain attitudes or behaviours in the modern day is unsafe if it appeals to evolutionary principles.
Rep for correctly using the word "sapient" in a sentence.
You need to Learn2JigglyBumBum
Especially in 3rd person games I pick female avatars. It's not hard to understand, I prefer looking at women's (fem-alien's) bottoms, hence female avatars.
Note: I have nothing against anyone who makes alternative lifestyle choices, if you like men's bottoms i'm cool with that.
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