Which Krait would you take? MKII vs Phantom

Nadreck · Nov 13, 2018

IIRC, an AFMU continues to work normally even at 1% integrity. And if it goes to zero, repair/reboot will get it working again, no explorer needs two AFMU's (OK, it gives you a bit more ammo, but you can synthesise that if you're carrying the right materials).

With 8 slots, I'd go for:

Fuelscoop
FSD booster
Shield
Dual SRV
16t CRCR
DSS
AFMU
Collector Limpet Controller

(no need to carry actual limpets, synthesise if needed)

Morbad · Nov 13, 2018

Nadreck said:
IIRC, an AFMU continues to work normally even at 1% integrity. And if it goes to zero, repair/reboot will get it working again, no explorer needs two AFMU's (OK, it gives you a bit more ammo, but you can synthesise that if you're carrying the right materials).

Reboot/repair cannibalizes PP integrity if you don't have a functional AFMU, so there is still some utility to be had from two AFMUs on extreme duration journeys.

Nadreck said:
With 8 slots, I'd go for:

Fuelscoop
FSD booster
Shield
Dual SRV
16t CRCR
DSS
AFMU
Collector Limpet Controller

(no need to carry actual limpets, synthesise if needed)

Looks good except for the collector limpet controller...plenty easy to scoop manually, and barely slower or less convenient for small quantities.

Bigmaec · Nov 13, 2018

Nadreck said:
IIRC, an AFMU continues to work normally even at 1% integrity. And if it goes to zero, repair/reboot will get it working again, no explorer needs two AFMU's (OK, it gives you a bit more ammo, but you can synthesise that if you're carrying the right materials).

With 8 slots, I'd go for:

Fuelscoop
FSD booster
Shield
Dual SRV
16t CRCR
DSS
AFMU
Collector Limpet Controller

(no need to carry actual limpets, synthesise if needed)

As Morbad says, easy to scoop, I'd skip the collector limpets and use a repair limpet instead.

Aashenfox · Nov 13, 2018

Scrooge McDbrn47 said:
Interesting that they've already increased the price of the Phantom by almost 10M then...

If they're legit, I'm glad that the Core Internals are the same and the shield size is the same, less engineering I'll have to do to give it a proper test. I'm still not seeing this drastic difference in pitch people are boasting.

Nobody's boasting, it's in the coriolis stats. Hit the profiles tab. If you're flying it in beta (aren't they out today?) and are refuting any pitch advantage, I'll obviously go with whatever you're saying, cos I have much doubt in the coriolis info, but as of today, that's what it shows.

Tifu said:
No conflict, the real stats were put in Coriolis today, every other build that was made before this point in time was based on guestimates.

Check the date and time stamps of the two posts you quoted

Ah ha. Correction to my post above then, as of yesterday.

Dread Lord · Nov 13, 2018

Jack Dowd said:
Thanks for the update! They are indeed claiming these numbers come from FDev, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. I'm quite happy with these internals and very glad to see a 32T fuel tank.

I love my Mk II, but this will definitely be my new home.

only one 6?

Unshackled AI · Nov 13, 2018

Wanted to use phantom for mining but seems like MKII can carry more. So i guess MKII then

Dread Lord · Nov 13, 2018

Unshackled AI said:
Wanted to use phantom for mining but seems like MKII can carry more. So i guess MKII then

I stick to the MK2 -- more firepower a SLF and another 6A SCB...

Mengy · Nov 13, 2018

Unshackled AI said:
Wanted to use phantom for mining but seems like MKII can carry more. So i guess MKII then

Yeah the MkII looks to be a much better miner than the Phantom. Actually the MkII is better at pretty much everything except for exploration. While I’m happy with the Phantom as it is, I do feel like it’s a bit narrow in focus. It might as well be called the Krait Explorer really.

Bob McBobblehead · Nov 13, 2018

I'll be using both, the Mk-II for the bubble and the Phantom for Guardians and exploration. Python for mining.

Aashenfox · Nov 13, 2018

Hm...If these are now the true stats, this ship's identity is clear.

Open spec:
Phantom
Mk2

Essentially, 40mps extra boost, 20mps cruise speed (both of which would make a larger difference of course if outfitted more lightly, but this is open survival spec), a correspondingly minuscule increase in flight profile attributes, and 2ly of jump range, costs you... a tiny bit of shield EH, a fair whack of armor EH, and a large hardpoint.

Explorer spec has a bigger difference, essentially, you've got three breaks at 50ly (mk2), 55ly (comfy phantom fit) and 60ly (inconvenient ridiculous range phantom build), those values are without Guardian booster...

Comfortable 66ly phantom that you'll be able to crash about a bit, with 2 SRVs and decent speed.
Ultralight 70ly phantom that you won't be able to land badly, not even once, and only 1 SRV and pretty poor speed and waiting for cap to boost, etc.

and...

Comfy 60ly mk2 which in terms of minmaxing range vs convenience, is somewhere between the two builds above.

The phantom is an explorer vessel, outright. It can be a multirole, but it was born to range the galaxy. It will not replace the Mk2 in any combat roles, nor the python as a multirole/trader.

/micdrop

Ralph Vargr · Nov 13, 2018

Penny The Python looks at her BAFTA's, and the Honors list, and cackles....

Aashenfox · Nov 13, 2018

Ralph Vargr said:
Penny The Python looks at her BAFTA's, and the Honors list, and cackles....

Indeed, she has nothing to fear this day.

Dbrn47 · Nov 13, 2018

Mengy said:
Yeah the MkII looks to be a much better miner than the Phantom. Actually the MkII is better at pretty much everything except for exploration. While I’m happy with the Phantom as it is, I do feel like it’s a bit narrow in focus. It might as well be called the Krait Explorer really.

Is that not what people wanted? Because I'm still seeing complaints about there not being a new exploration ship this patch.

Aashenfox said:
Hm...If these are now the true stats, this ship's identity is clear.

Open spec:
Phantom
Mk2

Essentially, 40mps extra boost, 20mps cruise speed (both of which would make a larger difference of course if outfitted more lightly, but this is open survival spec), a correspondingly minuscule increase in flight profile attributes, and 2ly of jump range, costs you... a tiny bit of shield EH, a fair whack of armor EH, and a large hardpoint.

Explorer spec has a bigger difference, essentially, you've got three breaks at 50ly (mk2), 55ly (comfy phantom fit) and 60ly (inconvenient ridiculous range phantom build), those values are without Guardian booster...

Comfortable 66ly phantom that you'll be able to crash about a bit, with 2 SRVs and decent speed.
Ultralight 70ly phantom that you won't be able to land badly, not even once, and only 1 SRV and pretty poor speed and waiting for cap to boost, etc.

and...

Comfy 60ly mk2 which in terms of minmaxing range vs convenience, is somewhere between the two builds above.

The phantom is an explorer vessel, outright. It can be a multirole, but it was born to range the galaxy. It will not replace the Mk2 in any combat roles, nor the python as a multirole/trader.

/micdrop

I think I'll use it in all the other ways, just to make you pic your mic back up.

Mengy · Nov 13, 2018

Scrooge McDbrn47 said:
Is that not what people wanted? Because I'm still seeing complaints about there not being a new exploration ship this patch.

I don't think a lot of people realize yet that the Krait Phantom is an exploration ship. It probably should have just been called the Krait Explorer, lol.

Bob Lighthouse · Nov 13, 2018

The Phantom will replace my Asps for most duties, including mission running and mat gathering.

Blasphemy perhaps, but I might skip the Python on my alt account opting for the Kraits instead.

:0

House0fDerp · Nov 13, 2018

Both, MK II as a light fighter platform of choice, Phantom as a explorer and long range task doer.

Cmdr Snuffler · Nov 14, 2018

I'm late to the party here...but what spec changes caused the Phantom to go from a super-dooooper light combat craft to an out and out exploration craft?

Aashenfox · Nov 14, 2018

Wokawidget said:
I'm late to the party here...but what spec changes caused the Phantom to go from a super-dooooper light combat craft to an out and out exploration craft?

I made a post with a bunch of different coriolis builds using the new data, I think at the bottom of the previous page. But basically, the old coriolis values were too high for: armor multiplier and agility

Edit: here ya go https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...I-vs-Phantom?p=7170604&viewfull=1#post7170604

Cmdr Snuffler · Nov 14, 2018

Aashenfox said:
I made a post with a bunch of different coriolis builds using the new data, I think at the bottom of the previous page. But basically, the old coriolis values were too high for: armor multiplier and agility

Edit: here ya go https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...I-vs-Phantom?p=7170604&viewfull=1#post7170604

Thanks. I was looking at your links this morning while having a coffee, but couldn't figure out what actual spec values had changed. Armour multiplier and agility....BOOOOOOOOOO!

Well, it's only a few hours away from being testable in game, so hopefully I won't be too disappointed

Aashenfox · Nov 14, 2018

Scrooge McDbrn47 said:
I think I'll use it in all the other ways, just to make you pic your mic back up.

I think it's broken