Interaction with other players you meet on the way, pure and simple. I've played in open mode since day one.
Interaction with other players you meet on the way, pure and simple. I've played in open mode since day one.
Your whole line of argumentation reeks of ignorance and uselessness…
Oh my god
Yeah but whilst that PG only offers positive interactions, making the game look like an artificial Galaxy, Open provides both positive and antagonistic interactions, hence making it more realistic and in line with what the Developer advertised.
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We'll see. I've got a proposal for you...
If the modes are removed and Open is the only remaining mode- I'll give a public formal apology to the entire forum community.
If not- and we receive confirmation from FD that it will not change- you'll do the same.
Deal?
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It is selective.. because you've selected to go into Open.
All we're saying is that Open is more dangerous option to fly in than Private Groups or Solo, because of the associated risks of stumbling into a random commander who wants to pirate you, oppose you at a CG or even straight up murder you, and they're generally better at it than NPC's.
No-ones saying that there aren't people out there who find NPC's challenging. All they're saying is that an NPC pales in comparison (usually) to a player for the aforementioned reasons.
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We'll see. I've got a proposal for you...
If the modes are removed and Open is the only remaining mode- I'll give a public formal apology to the entire forum community.
If not- and we receive confirmation from FD that it will not change- you'll do the same.
Deal?
Wasn't talking about removing modes, I actually want ED to have all three
Was talking about giving different perks for Open. That will eventually happen
As long as any perks that are added are equally beneficial to all three modes, I'm perfectly OK with that.
As long as any perks that are added are equally beneficial to all three modes, I'm perfectly OK with that.
They might cut Mobius playerbase to half… don't see it as detrimental to S/PG though
Open relies on numbers, S/PG don't
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There is no point in getting into a discussion over this becsuse I am telling you straight, with over 1000 hrs in open exclusively that players are more capable than npcs by a devastating margin, 100% guaranteed, there is no way to spin this around.
Sadly it doesn't but keep believing it does it if makes you feel better.
Talk about ignorance... neither solo nor PG's offer only positive interactions... many of them are negative... what is not offered is meaningless interactions. Open can have those.
So the choice of going into CZ is selective but the choice of going into open (which is essentially a big CZ) is not? Sounds rather selective in the thinking there...
It is hard to discuss something when you realize there is no way to really spin it, yet you keep trying to. YOu don't care about NPCs because to you they are ants... which is different from others as you've ground your way to the very top... the king, the elite, the god.. nothing can stand against you... so Fdev needs to change the game to suite you and screw everyone else because you need a new challenge. That is not how this works, that is not how any of this works. Developers work on catering to the core of their player base not making drastic changes to cater to a select few. If you want an example of a game that tried to drastically change the core game and paid the price go look at Star Wars Galaxies. Also by removing all NPCS... it effectively makes only one mode viable as you can't do combat in Solo then...YOU want only humans in the game because by removing all NPCs you remove all content to everyone but YOU and those like you and you'd get your cherished "open only" Oh and just so you know, humans are not more capable, like NPCs they vary.. and Mother can make the NPCs so hard that even gods like you don't stand a chance...
I was saying this in relation to why OPEN mode is more difficult than the private modes. Being the more challenging mode it needs an incentive, the modes are not equal as it stands right now.
They are equal you just refuse to see... but if you want to make them unequal... We could stretch to see it, especially since in open you can have wingmen, Solo can't... in Open others can attack your target and help... so Solo can't.. .. .in Open someone may attack you ... Solo doesn't have that problem... so two to Open one to solo.. so if you want to talk incentives then by all means let's give some to Solo as clearly they need them more since Open can do "so much more".
You are regurgitating the same old circular issues that SOG was famous for all in an attempt to get your playstyle "rewarded" and seen as the "right" one.
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Oh, your arguments do reek of ignorance and uselessness… here comes the proof:
Could you please teach me how to interact with other players from Solo?
What about negative interactions in PG… are you talking about Comms trashtalking?
Hilarious
Lemme draw for you.
In S/PG, you have to CHOOSE to face danger. Like, dropping into a CZ, or staying on station undock for too long, or peanut shooting a Thargie in a NHSS.
In Open, the danger COMES after you. The possibility of danger is there, you don't have to actively seek it.
It's a no brainer that the game would hugely benefit from escalable NPC aggressiveness and level, according to the CMDR current ship, time played, current area security and much more, like any other proper balanced NPC system (read: other games). Various discussions on this theme have been had and the general disappointment with NPCs is crystal clear, from both sides of the fence
Define core of the playerbasebecause it seems too vague for me. Backstarters? Elite '84 diehard fans? The average NPC-killness? Seems to me these guys have all been playing for long enough to kill NPCs as nauseam… with a single hand… specially because many mention how hard '84 Elite and the other games used to be.
Why would Al be stupid enough to want this? If you remove the plankton, the fish is gone… what will us sharks eat, then?
But that's exactly what we're asking for???
Did you just say that Solo is at a disadvantage because you can't roll wings there?
Then why not just scale the NPCs numbers/difficulty with the number of players in wing? How does that justify maintaining Open and Private Group at a loss?
We want Open handicaps removed.
Also, no playstyle is right.
Play your way.
OK. So what is the advice you'd give a trader then? Give up precious cargo space for bulky military armor & HRPs? Crash the FSD range on such a thing just in case they run into some bozo glee-clown? Give up trading and make a military Cutter?
btw, I have never flowm my trade ships without shielding - anyone who doesn't is asking for it from a variety of causes.
Maybe the difference is more like different philosophies - Klingon vs Federation, like. "Rend and destroy" vs "mend and employ." "Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers," etc.
What proof? Just the proof that you forgot that there are such things as NPCs in the game and they do things such as interdict, shoot, destroy, you know... negative things that can happen to players.
Lemmi draw for you... When you start the game there are these things, they are called Modes. There is open, Private Groups, Solo, and CDC. Now when you CHOOSE... and here is the key word now, CHOOSE. When you choose which mode you go into you choose the type of danger you can expect. In all modes the possibility of danger is there and it seeks you out. It Comes to for you even if you are not looking for it. Only difference is you get to choose IF a player may come for you as well or not... that is it.
You are correct if you think it is a no brainer .. well no brainer in that that FDev doesn't want to to cater to a select group over most of their players... but hey... you've been trying and trying and trying and trying and trying...
The core player base... the PVPers, PVERs, Kickstarters, all those who've joined the game and enjoyed it. Not those trying to give one mode preference over another.. or drastically change the game into their vision of what the game should be and not FDevs.
Ask him since he's the one who voiced the opinion in the first place. Since NPCs are so "unnecessary"
That would be something that would be extremely quick to exploit... come in unwinged then NPC's are weaker and easier for everyone to take out in a coordinated effort. But hey not a bad try at an idea. [/QUOTE]
There is no handicaps on open, the only handicap is your perception that one exists in the first place.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.
