I don't think anyone is really going to be able to make that decision until it's been thoroughly tested. For me it's a case of wanting to have at least one of everything, so I'll definitely have it as one of the ships I own. I'll run it for a while regardless of how well it performs purely because I like to fly everything.
Will you ditch the Python for the Chieftain
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By all accounts, the Chieftain is going to have a much smaller internal capacity than a Python. Which is logical; look at all those pods, nacelles, winglets and other sticky-out-bits. They'd take up all the room on a landing pad. Strip them away, and you've got a tadpole-shaped ship not much bigger than a Diamondback.
If the Chieftain has a specialist role (like being an anti-fighter gunboat, or an armed long-range explorer) I'd consider getting one. But to replace my mission-running, 192-tonne-cargo-capacity Python? Not a chance.
If the Chieftain has a specialist role (like being an anti-fighter gunboat, or an armed long-range explorer) I'd consider getting one. But to replace my mission-running, 192-tonne-cargo-capacity Python? Not a chance.
I despise (and thus boycott) the Python because of its absurd perfection. In particular, I find it's cargo-carrying capacity ridiculous. It can carry almost three times the amount of the dedicated medium-pad cargo ship, the Type 6. People lump the Python in with the Anaconda, but the large-pad cargo ships do carry more than the Conda, which is what we'd expect. Even the Beluga can come relatively close to the Conda in cargo capacity. The closest medium-pad ship to the Python in cargo capacity is the Gunship, which is barely over half its capacity. Now if the Python were a big, ugly box like your typical cargo ship, I might be more forgiving, but it's this sexy looking arrowhead with Vegas lights. Triangular spaces are not really the most efficient spaces to store things like cargo canisters.
So yeah, nerf the Python, and long live the Chieftain!
So yeah, nerf the Python, and long live the Chieftain!
Well, it looks to have a smaller main hull than the Python, smaller guns and agility comparable to the FAS/Clipper, so I suspect it'll be a "medium medium" rather than the Python's and Gunship's "heavy medium". The Python (and to a lesser extent the FGS) is just a hair smaller and less capable than the Big 3, whereas the Chieftain seems to slot in around the 20 million or so region. Which I do like, there's for the longest time been a massive gap in non-rank locked ships between the Vulture and the FdL/Python, which the Chieftain fills perfectly. And no, it hasn't got a rank lock, that was also confirmed in that podcast leak.
Leave the Python alone!! It already got beaten with the nerf bat when it was released. Ive been flying my Python in protest ever since.....
Thats due to the massive nerf they gave the python. It used to handle awesome.
The most stupid thing about the Python is how it can land at outposts with 284T of cargo capacity (in full shielded trader setup) while the Type7 TRADING SHIP with only 272T cargo (in full shielded trader setup) can NOT land at outposts.
How does this even remotely make any sense?
Sure, it's supposed to be a multi-role ship, but when the multi-role ships are doing a task better than the ships designed specifically for the task then something is entirely wrong with the whole ship-balancing.
Python carrying more than a Type7 is pretty much like having a Cobra MkIII carry more cargo than a Type6. However, Cobra carries less than half (44T) in trader setup compared to Type6 which carries 104T.
And then adding insult to injury by letting Python land on outposts while Type7 can't... seriously...
Where is our outpost landable transport/cargo ship capable of carrying 350-400T of cargo?
The most stupid thing about the Python is how it can land at outposts with 284T of cargo capacity (in full shielded trader setup) while the Type7 TRADING SHIP with only 272T cargo (in full shielded trader setup) can NOT land at outposts.
How does this even remotely make any sense?
Sure, it's supposed to be a multi-role ship, but when the multi-role ships are doing a task better than the ships designed specifically for the task then something is entirely wrong with the whole ship-balancing.
Python carrying more than a Type7 is pretty much like having a Cobra MkIII carry more cargo than a Type6. However, Cobra carries less than half (44T) in trader setup compared to Type6 which carries 104T.
And then adding insult to injury by letting Python land on outposts while Type7 can't... seriously...
Where is our outpost landable transport/cargo ship capable of carrying 350-400T of cargo?
I may be wrong here but It isn't weight or carrying capacity that determines what landing pad. Its the outside dimensions mainly width. The T series ships are wide ships compared to there length. As people have put it a flying brick or box.
And what alot of people overlook with the python is that it is a very old design and was orginally designed as a military escort/gunship hence all the weapons and internal space. When the military stopped using it. The manufacturer made it for everyday pilots and turned it into a multi role ship and trading ship because of the internal space and weapons.
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It depends on:
How it flies
Internals
Jump range
Cargo capacity
Shields
Hull
Hardpoint placement
SLF
We know very little about all of that and from what little we do know I'd say no.
It does look interesting and I may get one and fly it, it may fill an nice niche but I can't see it replacing my Python.
It may be an alternative but not a replacement.
How it flies
Internals
Jump range
Cargo capacity
Shields
Hull
Hardpoint placement
SLF
We know very little about all of that and from what little we do know I'd say no.
It does look interesting and I may get one and fly it, it may fill an nice niche but I can't see it replacing my Python.
It may be an alternative but not a replacement.
yeah, the python has a huge booty. lots of room for junk in dat trunk
The Python is a one of a kind, I doubt the Chieftain will be a serious competitor.
I will definitely buy a Chieftain but not as replacement for my Python.
I wouldn't mind being pleasantly surprised by the Chieftain though.
I will definitely buy a Chieftain but not as replacement for my Python.
I wouldn't mind being pleasantly surprised by the Chieftain though.
Well I guess it depends what you mean by 'makes sense' in this context I guess. The two ships are different shapes (Python = wide and 'flat', T-7 = narrow and tall) and the T-7's shape means it simply can't fit in the hangar of a medium pad, so from that perspective it's perfectly sensible.
If it's more a question of why the Python provides greater utility than the T-7, a top-spec T7 cargo hauler costs about 35m credits and you can push that out to 40m tops with weapons and some defensive gear. My Python is worth about 150m.
Finally, if it's a simple 'why can the multi-role ship carry more than the trader' that's actually the easiest one of all to answer. It's because when kitted out to carry 284 tons of cargo the Python isn't a 'multi-role' ship at all since all you can do with that build is fill it with cargo.
My mission-running Python is a very flexible ship that can hold its own in PVE combat, deploy an SRV for ground missions and material gathering, etc. etc. However when it's doing all those fun multi-role things, its cargo capacity is 204 tons not 284 because the other internals are taken up with an SRV bay, a good quality shield, etc.
You can't just look at the proportional difference in cargo capacity between a Cobra and a T-6 and decide that should be applied up the chain because you have to consider the actual size of ships too. That's why you don't have a medium pad ship with a cargo capacity of 350-400 tons.
The most stupid thing about the Python is how it can land at outposts with 284T of cargo capacity (in full shielded trader setup) while the Type7 TRADING SHIP with only 272T cargo (in full shielded trader setup) can NOT land at outposts.
How does this even remotely make any sense?
Sure, it's supposed to be a multi-role ship, but when the multi-role ships are doing a task better than the ships designed specifically for the task then something is entirely wrong with the whole ship-balancing.
Python carrying more than a Type7 is pretty much like having a Cobra MkIII carry more cargo than a Type6. However, Cobra carries less than half (44T) in trader setup compared to Type6 which carries 104T.
And then adding insult to injury by letting Python land on outposts while Type7 can't... seriously...
Where is our outpost landable transport/cargo ship capable of carrying 350-400T of cargo?
Been banging this drum for a couple of years now.
Anyday FDev...
Yes, the outer dimensions of the ships determine the landing pad type.
However... how does a smaller sized ship NOT designed specifically to be a transport ship have the ability to store MORE cargo while also being smaller in size than a ship specifically designed with the intention of carrying cargo?
Does cargo magically shrink when loaded into a Python compared to a Type-7?
Again, it makes absolutely zero sense how a Python can land with MORE cargo on a SMALLER pad than a ship specialized and designed to carry cargo. You would think a transport ship like Type-7 was designed so it can carry the maximum amount of cargo while using a minimum amount of space to do so (e.g. stacking cargo extremely efficiently like a modern containership does).
Makes no sense.
Cobra is multirole, carries less than the dedicated cargoship Type6.
Logic dictates the Python is multirole, carries less than the dedicated cargoship Type7.
Alternatively the Type7 is supposed to be smaller than Python (but that just makes it even more illogical that Type7 can't land on outposts) and there should be a Type-8 ship which is in the same "size category" as Python, but able to carry more cargo than the Python just as Type6 carries more than Cobra.
But it's a triangular booty with lots of space carved out of it to accommodate those large hardpoints. Measure a regular bookshelf full of books, calculate the volume, and then build a new bookcase in the shape of the 2D cross-section of the Python. You'll find that it despite the volume being the same, you'll not be able to fit as many books on that Python shelf. Somewhere very early in this game's development, Frontier seems to have given up on building ships with interiors that we'll someday be able to walk around and see our cargo on racks. These days ship stats are just numbers in a spreadsheet, not anything that would make sense if modeled in 3D.
Frontier could prove me wrong by releasing the internal plans of all the ships, hint hint pretty-please hint
Don't really care about combat, I do hope it will end up being a great exploration ship. An Asp Explorer replacement, mayhaps.
They claim it's a combat ship, so it most likely will have sub-par jump range and fuel tank size in the name of "balance". I was hoping for a combat/explorer myself, however, FD have this habit of borking anything with Combat in it's description.
Greetings,
Good grief, seven pages of posts on this new ship and the live stream revealing it is only 7 hours away! Will it replace the Python? Of course not! The Python is the best do it all multi-purpose ship in the game. Add in some mild engineering and it is the go to ship that pays for all the others. Just from a Trader viewpoint if the Chieftain can land on a medium pad with those wings and engine nacelles it is half the cargo capacity of a Python. Consider the Imperial Clipper which would be an awesome medium landing pad ship but with those wings and nacelles needs a large landing pad to land. Smaller ships also means smaller abilities to protect it when trading. As for combat or exploring we'll need to fly the thing in the upcoming Beta next week to see what it excels at.
But the big deal with Beta will be testing out the new criminal C&P solutions. This is the one time in the history of all the Betas we need Griefers to test this! Feel totally free to blow me away. I have all the great ships including the big three maxed out. I won't even bother to fire back.
When the Type-10 was released it was promoted as a Thargoid killer. It was correct per a new player giving them an edge in the massive hull to figure out what is going on but experienced pilots flying the big three know better. Then Frontier is deep into figuring out how to get us to fly together so as a support ship the Type-10 in a Thargoid battle can provide a serious advantage. As for Trading it is probably has the best hull in the game and massive weapons support versus the Type-9 at a lot more cost until a player can outfit a Trader Cutter. I fly a Cutter all the time even in Open play watching new players run away.
Still it is a new ship. Too many of us go nuts with a new ship to fly. We often don't care about the wife, the pets and suddenly have a case of the flu not going to work coinciding with the ship release date! Did Frontier design he Chieftain where it works best in support of other players? We'll see in 7 hours...
Regards
Good grief, seven pages of posts on this new ship and the live stream revealing it is only 7 hours away! Will it replace the Python? Of course not! The Python is the best do it all multi-purpose ship in the game. Add in some mild engineering and it is the go to ship that pays for all the others. Just from a Trader viewpoint if the Chieftain can land on a medium pad with those wings and engine nacelles it is half the cargo capacity of a Python. Consider the Imperial Clipper which would be an awesome medium landing pad ship but with those wings and nacelles needs a large landing pad to land. Smaller ships also means smaller abilities to protect it when trading. As for combat or exploring we'll need to fly the thing in the upcoming Beta next week to see what it excels at.
But the big deal with Beta will be testing out the new criminal C&P solutions. This is the one time in the history of all the Betas we need Griefers to test this! Feel totally free to blow me away. I have all the great ships including the big three maxed out. I won't even bother to fire back.
When the Type-10 was released it was promoted as a Thargoid killer. It was correct per a new player giving them an edge in the massive hull to figure out what is going on but experienced pilots flying the big three know better. Then Frontier is deep into figuring out how to get us to fly together so as a support ship the Type-10 in a Thargoid battle can provide a serious advantage. As for Trading it is probably has the best hull in the game and massive weapons support versus the Type-9 at a lot more cost until a player can outfit a Trader Cutter. I fly a Cutter all the time even in Open play watching new players run away.
Still it is a new ship. Too many of us go nuts with a new ship to fly. We often don't care about the wife, the pets and suddenly have a case of the flu not going to work coinciding with the ship release date! Did Frontier design he Chieftain where it works best in support of other players? We'll see in 7 hours...
Regards
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