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Winter DLC Speculation
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I think that birds are the less represented animals in the game along with marsupials. I really hope a birds focused pack, frontier can do wonderful things with their games, with everything, so i hope for flying birds soon or in the future. But this is not possible, it does not have possibilities, but do 11 packs in this next years with every dlc is called "Wings of the World" with every dlc name, sounds great for me. I know, mammals, reptiles and etc won´t have representations, but this is not even possible, just me and my stupid ideas, but for me would be like this. We would have different forms and shapes of aviaries, which you can personalize and someones are walkrough, every dlc is like an animal pack, just like this:
1: -Wings Of The World: Arctic-
-Common Eider
-Snowy Owl
-Rock ptarmigan
-Chinstrap Penguin
-Emperor Penguin
-Snow Goose
-Rough-legged buzzard
-Snow bunting (Small Aviary)
2: -Wings Of The World: South America-
-Blue and Gold Macaw
-Hoatzin
-Toco Tucan
-Scarlet Ibis
-Andean Condor
-Greater Rhea
-Great Blue Turaco
-Harpy Eagle
-Hummingbird (Small Aviary)
-Rose-ringed parakeet (Small Aviary)
3: -Wings Of The World: Oceania-
-Sulphur-Crested Cockatoo
-Palm Cockatoo
-Victoria Crowned Pigeon
-Laughing Kookaburra
-Kakapo
-North Island Brown Kiwi
-Emu
-Kea
-Rainbow Lorikeet (Small Aviary)
-Cockatiel (Small Aviary)
4: -Wings Of The World: Aquatic-
-Southern Rockhopper Penguin
-Atlantic Puffin
-Mallard
-Mandarin Duck
-Mute Swan
-Australian White Pelican
-Great crested grebe
-Common Loon
-Great Blue Heron
-Black-winged stilt (Small Aviary)
5: -Wings Of The World: Southest Asia-
-Great Indian Hornbill
-Golden Pheasant
-Himalayan Monoal
-Mayor Adjutant Stork
-Green Peafowl
-Red Bird-Of-Paradise
-Indian Eagle-Owl
-Western Parotia (Small Aviary)
-Red avadavat (Small Aviary)
6: -Wings Of The World: Africa-
-African Fishing Eagle
-Grey-Crowned Crane
-Shoebill
-Helmeted Guneafowl
-Secretary Bird
-Red-Billed Hornbill
-White-backed vulture
-Lovebird (Small Aviary)
-African Grey Parrot (Small Aviary)
-Sociable weaver(Small Aviary)
7: -Wings Of The World: North America-
-Bald Eagle
-California Condor
-Wood Duck
-Great-Horned Owl
-Canada Goose
-Caribbean Flamingo
-Greater Roadrunner
-Pileated woodpecker (Small Aviary)
8: -Wings Of The World: Europe-
-Spanish Imperial Eagle
-Eurasian griffon vulture
-White Stork
-Rock partridge
-Barn Owl
-Western capercaillie
-Barnacle Goose
-Peregrine Falcon
-Crested (Small Aviary)
-European Robin (Small Aviary)
9: -Wings Of The World: Wetlands-
-Roseate Spoonbill
-Eurasian Teal
-Little Grebe
-White-backed stilt
-Cattle Egret
-Common Kingfisher
-Madagascar Ibis
-Common Moorhen
-Blue-Billed Duck
-Western Marsh Harrier
10: -Wings Of The World: Conservation-
-Bali Myna
-Northern Bald Ibis
-Whooping crane
-Hyacinth Macaw
-Spix Macaw
-Great Curassow
-Baudin's black cockatoo
-Flightless Cormorant
-Mariana Fruit Dove (Small Aviary)
-Regent Honeyeater (Small Aviary)
11: -Wings Of The World: Twilight-
-Great Potoo
-Barred Eagle-Owl
-Tawny Owl
-Eurasian stone curlew
-Common Kestrel
-Great Bustard
-Black Vulture
-Red-necked nightjar (Small Aviary)
-Common Vampire Bat (Small Aviary)
-Hermit Thrush (Small Aviary)
THIS TOOK SO LONG
Auhahuahuahu at this point you could make a new game, like: "Planet Zoo in flight" or "Planet Zoo Aviary".
You have no idea how much i want a game of just birds
For fans it would certainly be nice, but it would be a niche game.
The important thing now is that they give us a good amount here on PZ.
You've put this so much more eloquently than what I would have said.
When I say an all bird pack is unlikely from Frontier, I mean it for other groupings as well. It's not just about mammals vs birds, or mammals vs reptiles etc. I don't think an all feline pack would work. Or an all primate pack. Or an all reptile pack. Or an all ungulate pack. Or an all canine pack. Or a rodent pack. Or a pack full of lemurs.
There was always a mix of animals in packs - Wetlands has a capybara (a rodent and a mammal), and a caiman (reptile), and a the wild buffalo (bovine and mammal), and the red crowned crane (bird) etc. Conservation pack has the schimitar oryx (bovine and mammal) and the siamang (primate and mammal). Yes, they are all mammals, but some are primates, others are rodents, and all the other orders and families they belong too. They are distinct enough despite belonging to the same class.
I also think we're forgetting one thing - there are others who play the game and see a horse, a monkey, a cat, and an antelope in a pack and think "Neat! That's different enough for me to buy this pack!" If you see 8 cats in a pack, and you don't like or care about cats...the likely hood of you buying the cat pack is probably not that high. I'd buy the cat pack in a hearbeat, but I'm not the only one playing Planet Zoo. A mix of animals is always better in my opinion.
I don't care about the dromedary, but I loooove the other two, so count me in!
yOu JuSt DoN't LiKe BiRdS!You've put this so much more eloquently than what I would have said.
When I say an all bird pack is unlikely from Frontier, I mean it for other groupings as well. It's not just about mammals vs birds, or mammals vs reptiles etc. I don't think an all feline pack would work. Or an all primate pack. Or an all reptile pack. Or an all ungulate pack. Or an all canine pack. Or a rodent pack. Or a pack full of lemurs.
There was always a mix of animals in packs - Wetlands has a capybara (a rodent and a mammal), and a caiman (reptile), and a the wild buffalo (bovine and mammal), and the red crowned crane (bird) etc. Conservation pack has the schimitar oryx (bovine and mammal) and the siamang (primate and mammal). Yes, they are all mammals, but some are primates, others are rodents, and all the other orders and families they belong too. They are distinct enough despite belonging to the same class.
I also think we're forgetting one thing - there are others who play the game and see a horse, a monkey, a cat, and an antelope in a pack and think "Neat! That's different enough for me to buy this pack!" If you see 8 cats in a pack, and you don't like or care about cats...the likely hood of you buying the cat pack is probably not that high. I'd buy the cat pack in a hearbeat, but I'm not the only one playing Planet Zoo. A mix of animals is always better in my opinion.
No, honestly, I think you put it perfectly - and since you're not as labled as me here, maybe it's more understandable.
What I would also like to add (and won't justify myself for it, because I'm tired of it): There are famous real life zoo designers that actually tested the average guest reaction to different zoo animals. They found out the average zoo visitor, that is usually not a zoo nerd, is usually far less interested in most birds than in most mammals. And Planet Zoo isn't only played by nerds, but also by the average zoo visitor. The ones that, when you watch their lets plays, will put a tiger, a giraffe and a zebra in their zoo, but rarely a springbok or a Nyala. Because they would just pass those IRL as well, while maybe feeling more attrackted to antilopes with bigger horns.
This is actually a good point , could be the reason why we have all big cats in the game due to the huge popularity irl. I class myself as an above average zoo guest who is fascinated by all sorts of species but I always tend to visit more popular animals like say tigers, polar bear, lions etc first and bypassing all the smaller habitats. However birds and smaller habitat animals are essential to irl zoos whether you like them or not
In-game animals like the giant tortoise, smaller crocodile habitats and less popular primate habitats are largely ignored by both myself in explore cam tours and a huge majority of my guests but they are needed to make such biome sections complete
This would seem to me a package that would fit very well in the winter and it seems to me a great choice of animals.
I buy it!!!!!
Families and orders are not just for mammals. All classes have those, and here you seem to choose to ignore that birds and reptiles are also classes to make mammals appear more diverse. This is exactly why I say birds should be compared to mammals, not to families and orders within mammals.
Caiman: reptile (class) AND crocodilian (order). Red Crowned Crane (bird) AND crane (family). See the same thing can be done with those.
Mammals consist of 27 orders. Birds of 41 orders (https://www.birdfamiliesoftheworld.com/orders/).
Mammals 5000+ species, Birds 10.000+ Species. This is why I'm saying that birds are even more diverse than mammals.
That the general audience know more about mammals and they are more popular, I agree with. And mammals should be and very much have been the priority of this game.
But that doesn't mean a single bird pack is a bad idea. I'm sure a lot of people will be able to tell the difference between a pelican, an emu, and a turkey even though they can't put a name like cat or dog on top of them to tell them apart. People might even be positively surprised by how diverse such a pack could be.
I don't want this to be a war between bird and mammal people, I see no reason for that. Especially since I have a more or less equal interest in both groups.
I just want people to stop treating birds as lower-ranking animals with less diversity than mammals. It makes no sense.
While birds might not often be the reason people go to the zoo in the first place, and they might not take up as much space as mammals, they are still at least as important in a modern zoo as mammals are, which is why we need a decent amount in Planet Zoo. Like it or not.
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I think that the best choice for most players is one like the one that has been proposed in this latest DLC, in which a flying animal is included, in the same way that terrariums are included.
I am in favor of including more birds (not necessarily flying) throughout the rest of the packs as one or 2 more animals within the herd.
I prefer something more morphologically diverse in each pack, and I think this is what makes various types of people with different tastes always happy with the content of each DLC.
It is never enough for someone who likes a certain group of animals. That's why I think that a little for everyone in my opinion is the best option.
I am in favor of including more birds (not necessarily flying) throughout the rest of the packs as one or 2 more animals within the herd.
I prefer something more morphologically diverse in each pack, and I think this is what makes various types of people with different tastes always happy with the content of each DLC.
It is never enough for someone who likes a certain group of animals. That's why I think that a little for everyone in my opinion is the best option.
@SalamAnders
God forbid one pack dedicated to birds. I wont sin like this anymore.
Lets hope for more dogs, mate. There is already more dogs than birds, give frontier a while and dogs will catch up primates!
God forbid one pack dedicated to birds. I wont sin like this anymore.
Lets hope for more dogs, mate. There is already more dogs than birds, give frontier a while and dogs will catch up primates!
Thought of different island pack at also looks at including the thought of mixing up mammals and birds
- Tasmanian Devil (Tasmania)
- Matschies tree kangaroo (new guinea)
- Rainbow Lorikeet (Australia)
- Rockhopper Penguin (Falkland Islands)
- Fossa (Madagascar)
- Highland cow (yes Scotland is part of an island)
- Japanese serow (Japan)
- American flamingo (I know reskin but iconic island bird , Carribbean)
I wouldnt change much, my version is
Tasmanian Devil (Tasmania)
Matschies Tree Kangaroo (New Guinea)
North Island Brown Kiwi (New Zealand)
Hawiian Honeycreeper (Hawaii and Walkthru Exhibit)
Fossa (Madagascar)
Scottish Wild Cat (Scotland and Small CAT!)
Tanuki (Japan)
American Flamingo (Caribbean)
Right? We have 7 birds….out of 140 animals. Frontier needs to step up with the bird offerings.
Also I realize how someone views birds as a group in relation to other animals, but I don’t see birds as being on the same level as primates, rodents, canines etc. Taxonomically speaking they are in the same level as mammals. Having a pack of all birds is like a pack of all mammals. Canines etc would be on the same level as birds of prey, parrots, wading birds etc to me. Having an all bird pack i support but wouldn’t support an all parrot pack. I mean I’d love it but understand why it would hinder diversity for many players
Aha I knew the kiwi would be added in there
Personally I am not the biggest fan of the kiwi but I know it would please a lot of people, I think they deserve it because the twilight pack was very attuned to my preferences. I thought the honey creeper was very unique, and that we need a small cat. And tanuki is very popular
I hope the mountain DLC will be a standard pack with 5 animals...because I somehow fear, that there won't be much other chances to get redwood trees than in a mountain DLC...
If they do that, I hope it's not the winter pack, maybe the winter pack for next year, as I'm hoping for support to go on that long. Not really feeling like having three scenery packs in a row (which is why this Twilight pack should've been an animal pack!). However, if we did get a mountain scenery pack in December, and got a much larger than usual bird animal pack in the spring - say 12-20 animals, in retrospect I'd be fine with it, but I'd certainly be salty from December-March/April.I hope the mountain DLC will be a standard pack with 5 animals...because I somehow fear, that there won't be much other chances to get redwood trees than in a mountain DLC...
Mountains and Taiga would work season wise. But a wolverine would be essential for me. Spectacled Bear and Markhor would also work. The Red Deer is also a possibility as some of its range does include mountains, but I'm feeling like ti would be too similar to the Markhor to include both. Same for Bighorn Sheep, Rocky Mountain Goat, and Chamois. Plenty of others to include though.