The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Han_Zen]

The point is reinforce pratical experimentation with documentation.

As noted, just because it happened, doesnt mean it was shared.

There was no documentation. Documentation of the tests, not only reports of results or theories is a very important aspect of science.
A lot of people will repeat the same experiments of others, creating a very long spiral of repetition without advancement.

There is a basic design principal to develop anything, such as ''solutions''
-Analysis>Theory>Prototipation>test>documentation>Analysis

It means that without proper documentation, any Analysis made after undocumented tests is expeculation.
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I wonder, if it was really impossible to produce green relics before, and it became possible.
Than someone was there doing it now and found it out because the time is right.

What about those people who did try that and never recorded? Why did they never record? They kept on doing it until it worked recently?
Because that person spent time dabbling in the ''definition of insanity'' [ repeating the same process multiple times expecting diffrent results ] and got nothing.
Narrative came along and suddenly made it possible.
Seems like very unlickly. But that is the problem, it's just unconfirmed.

This is an issue for a collective analysis to develop into a theory
Leading to some of people being inclined belive that they are working alot alone in this journey

Go to https://canonn.science

It has descriptions and documentation of most mysteries that has been solved. Very few have stayed unsolved for more tha a few weeks.

Some of the old stuff was a bit complex and required external tools, a good ear for morse code and math in a few numercal systems. These were all solved by a colective of players on the forum.
The green relic was very simple. It was just a change in the behaviour of the Thargoid machine, after the big update.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

I think we should all acknowledge we have our own methods that have worked and share information that seems like it may push us forward (especially insofar as limiting the scope of the search).

 

[Pyroboros]

It is nothing but personal frustration. I am fine and I always get through the frustrations of doing this. Let's just say, I am one of the few who gets why CMDR Guru951 went through what he did. I just had frustrating run-ins with groups that loudly proclaim to be seeking to understand the mysteries of the game only to stop if/when the investigation proves uncomfortable or is not what they had envisioned in their mind with preconceived notions. No one here are fools. I hold all of you in high regards. The bit in Jasmina Halsey's codex about "archetype conversion story" was The Pilots' Federation being perhaps too brutally honest with the direction the story takes once you invesgate enough. The story just isn't what one would call straightforward.

Please know that I don't think less of anyone. Everyone wants the same thing. The problems I face are somewhat self-inflicted as angles I investigate have a tendency to challenge cherished beliefs. It is unfortunately a necessary part of the process.

I'll just leave this here:

That does not sound healthy.

 

[Louis Calvert]

The point is reinforce pratical experimentation with documentation.

As noted, just because it happened, doesnt mean it was shared.

There was no documentation. Documentation of the tests, not only reports of results or theories is a very important aspect of science.
A lot of people will repeat the same experiments of others, creating a very long spiral of repetition without advancement.

There is a basic design principal to develop anything, such as ''solutions''
-Analysis>Theory>Prototipation>test>documentation>Analysis

It means that without proper documentation, any Analysis made after undocumented tests is expeculation.
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I wonder, if it was really impossible to produce green relics before, and it became possible.
Than someone was there doing it now and found it out because the time is right.

What about those people who did try that and never recorded? Why did they never record? They kept on doing it until it worked recently?
Because that person spent time dabbling in the ''definition of insanity'' [ repeating the same process multiple times expecting diffrent results ] and got nothing.
Narrative came along and suddenly made it possible.
Seems like very unlickly. But that is the problem, it's just unconfirmed.

This is an issue for a collective analysis to develop into a theory
Leading to some of people being inclined belive that they are working alot alone in this journey

Maidor, what you demonstrated here is actually part of the problem, so thanks for that.

Rather that doing research into what is actually a very legitimate question (i.e. was three relics tried in a Tharg machine before), communicating with those who were doing this sort of testing (like Canonn) or asking here on the forums, your friend there concocted a wild theory based entirely on their own thoughts in something of an echo chamber - they then treated their thought as if it were the truth.

That's the point of what you posted. I think really the majority of people here have done the same thing at some point

My unsolicited advice would be to tell your friend to take a deep, calming breath and join the Raxxla hunt here as an equal participant and simply converse with like-minded Raxxla hunters. Many here could have easily cleared up your friend's misunderstanding a long time ago, before it got to the stage where it became a massive angry rant - and that would free up your friends obviously very wrinkled brain to help find Raxxla!

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

That does not sound healthy.

It is from being ostracized despite the fact Salomé stated the following and I had the guts or stupidity to investigate it seriously:

“But I figure I owe you some kind of explanation. So here it is. They’ve known. They’ve known for decades, maybe centuries. There’s something out there and it’s heading this way. Everything you’ve seen: all the wars, all the investigations, all the abductions. It’s their way of getting stuff done, getting things ready, keeping things quiet.

You don’t build a fleet of warships for no reason – too many questions get asked. So you manufacture a threat, you start a phony war. You keep the populace amused with any diversion you can think of. You play powers against each other, you boom and bust the markets to tilt the economy. Anything to stop people looking at the real issues.”

Despite all that, I have give my everything to better the odds of guessing where look from some 1 in 400 billion (just factoring guessing the correct system). If you get into guessing the right celestial body we are talking 1 in several trillion (probably). We are far better off despite being years into the search..

No, I am fine.

Whoever said whomever finds The Dark Wheel or Raxxla would be hailed a hero had no idea how wrong they were. No, Salomé was absolutely correct in this statement:

“If you just stumbled across this message, nothing of what I am going to relate will make any sense. My advice? Don’t read on, kill this holofac now, don’t go looking. You really don’t want to be involved, trust me. Just fly on like nothing happened. People will kill you for knowing.

If you found this because you were led here… congratulations, you must be reasonably smart.

I don’t know what you were expecting, but this probably isn’t it. There’s no payoff my friend, there’s no money to be made. You haven’t won. You may have just made things much worse for yourself. If there is any fame to be had it is what you make of it, maybe some chronicler will immortalise you in the future.”

The problem: none of this had to happen. Those who willfully and gleefully misrepresented the past had something to gain. The only way to fix things are a commitment to absolute transparency.

If we cannot be manipulated, we are all better off. I don't know what Raxxla is (though I have educated guesses), but you don't make lies this big to bury something ordinary. I honestly believe Raxxla was something of huge importance but along the way the best intentions (maybe as simple as not scaring the public) got out of hand. The stories took a life of their own and things spiraled out of control. Eliminating the lack of knowledge and fear that simultaneously follows this tale is the way forward.

 

[Maidor]

Maidor, what you demonstrated here is actually part of the problem, so thanks for that.

Rather that doing research into what is actually a very legitimate question (i.e. was three relics tried in a Tharg machine before), communicating with those who were doing this sort of testing (like Canonn) or asking here on the forums, your friend there concocted a wild theory based entirely on their own thoughts in something of an echo chamber - they then treated their thought as if it were the truth.

That's the point of what you posted. I think really the majority of people here have done the same thing at some point

My unsolicited advice would be to tell your friend to take a deep, calming breath and join the Raxxla hunt here as an equal participant and simply converse with like-minded Raxxla hunters. Many here could have easily cleared up your friend's misunderstanding a long time ago, before it got to the stage where it became a massive angry rant - and that would free up your friends obviously very wrinkled brain to help find Raxxla!

Indeed

To those that ignore he discussions, and think they can acomplish more by themselves
Them they should focus on experimentation and documentation.

If they think they are doing so well, than share.
And if something seems to have been done badly, ask
Or else they will keep spinning around repetitivly.

In this case he asked me why were the grelics only found right now, and I really couldn't find any evidence why.
So it sparked our discussion on why recording experimentation is as important as reporting discoveries. And how someone who discovers things first might view themselves.

On this topic: Has anybody here atempted their creation method before? [Green Relics]
I've seen some old videos on reddit of people shoving things on the machine, but couldnt find one with 3 relics. Probably because it was the first thing everyone tried.

 

[Louis Calvert]

On this topic: Has anybody here atempted their creation method before? [Green Relics]
I've seen some old videos on reddit of people shoving things on the machine, but couldnt find one with 3 relics. Probably because it was the first thing everyone tried.

I definitely played around with Relics in the machine. I can't honestly remember if I did all three...

This person did though:

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV9lGv34o80


Maybe tell your friend

Edit: Just in case you only watch it in the forum iframe, this vid is 5 years old, from 2017.

Edit 2: so as not to make another post:
You said "In this case he asked me why were the grelics only found right now, and I really couldn't find any evidence why."

It's because of Salvation. Details here on Canonn website.

"Admiral Tanner’s court martial was interrupted by a statement from the renowned scientist Ram Tah, confirming the non-human origins of Salvation’s superweapon. Ram Tah theorised that it was based on a Guardian device found by Azimuth Biochemicals scientists at the Proteus site, which generated an electromagnetic pulse to disrupt the Thargoids’ biomechanical vessels."

For years HIP 22460 was permit locked, it was because Salvation/Azimuth were researching a Thargoid site there. Salvation built a Guardian weapon into that Thargoid site - the site of the Proteus Wave. In response to it being fired, the Thargoids seem to somehow co-opt the pulse.

Ever since then all the surface sites (which are all linked somehow) started making Grelics - some sort of expression of whatever the Thargoid(s) did to counter the Guardian superweapon.

 

[Louis Calvert]

FYI, if it helps your friend's research, you can actually make one Grelic too in the same way that putting one relic into the Thargoid machine pre-Salvation still did the heat-build-up cycle. The only reason people tend to make 3 Grelics is because they then go sell them, so making 3 at a time is the most efficient. It doesn't require 3 relics to make the process work.

Hope that all helps you

 

[playerwon]

You are welcome to either

used the one with your user name... credit where due n such

 

[Maidor]

FYI, if it helps your friend's research, you can actually make one Grelic too in the same way that putting one relic into the Thargoid machine pre-Salvation still did the heat-build-up cycle. The only reason people tend to make 3 Grelics is because they then go sell them, so making 3 at a time is the most efficient. It doesn't require 3 relics to make the process work.

Hope that all helps you

I just took him to do a lot of things with me, that is what got him into that.
Don't think everybody goes after searching deeply for things.

I think if someone like you or many here in the forum did recent material would spark more interest in research and reading.
Like cmdr's clara and her group's recent study on the guardians language and structures.

You and a lot of people here have great content, i guess much people just watch youtube videos with many videos as the only source of information hahah

 

[cmdr milesred]

there is enough mis-information on google and in videos to make a person refuse to watch them.
I am one of those people.
the few I watched in 2014 were very full of incorrect information
many threads here were loaded with incorrect information

much was people assuming.
getting a swollen head from being the FIRST is a big thing. right or wrong.


in the forums it was and is common to take one cmdrs words and rearrange them and make himself popular because maybe it is now worded better...
same with discords. today many still have 'experienced' cmdrs in them telling what they believe to be facts, yet much is assumptions from inability to actually do scientific testing on things.

I had teachers in school that taught lies because they were not smart enough to understand what they were teaching.

but in it all, advertising is key

if no person understands what a person writes, it doesn't get talked about

there are also many reasons to tell lies, to distract, to eliminate fools, sheep.
not tell all truths is not a lie.
the one I read long ago about PP modules was the best of many to come.
100% incorrect information made IMO to prevent others from having them. and soo many still believe.
everything I ever read about weapons contained some incorrect info and nothing ever explained anything about overkill.
because IMO overkill and Anarchy support are best kept as secrets, not to be shared. is how it felt for years.
some folks started giving me a hard time when I started putting some BGS Anarchy info in these forums.

everything is controlled by info or lack of.
people have egos and mostly are controlled by them. to belittle or to dis-credit something a person likes does have impact.

years of people telling everyone that Beams are just a bad weapon...like grade 1 all over again.

P.S. there is a thread on massacre mission problems, 4 years long to fix a bug.
the thread is a great example of mis-understanding, total inability to test anything in any way, and failure to comprehend.
and it was never fixed, it was made worse imo.
and the failures are on all sides, fdev and cmdrs both....I started the thread, walked away from it after a dev told us something that was not related, was why they don't work. something that didn't exist yet in game was the reason for missions not working......
the truth to why I posted is there in the thread, yet got 100% missed by everyone. then dragged on for 4 years to no solution.

 

[Louis Calvert]

Honestly I think part of the problem we're all facing is that we have almost no real information on Raxxla. We literally have the Codex, and that's honestly everything that actually exists and we don't know how much of it is real

Reconstructing History​

I've been thinking that most of us have been trying to solve individual parts of the Codex, picking a single word or looking at the logo, or a particular phrase. The intention is obviously that if we can solve a single part it might lead us forward - not a silly idea at all, but it's clearly not really got us anywhere yet.

I've been thinking that maybe we need to look at the entire Raxxla Codex as a whole, and it's place in the lore of the entire game.

Does that make sense? I'm struggling to explain the idea which is never a good sign. lol.

The Lore Bible: Redux​

Brookes and Braben collaborated with other writers, including Allen Stroud, on creating a lore bible for Elite Dangerous. Allen has told us that he recognises parts of what he contributed in many Tourist Beacons, and he worked on the development of Hyperdrive Lore, the Lave system, etc. Drew Wager, despite his many faults, repeatedly told us about the cut-down lore bibles the official writers got to help them with their books - a similar document was given to the Elite RPG makers.

We know that the versions the writers got was cut-down to remove some secret stuff - but we know there was almost certainly a more detailed version, a version that contained Raxxla.

We can guess with some degree of certainty that the Codex entries are likely from that Lore Bible (or written based off it). It's an assumption, but I don't think it's a reach.

My theory is that if we can reconstruct the early part of that Lore bible, we might see the shapes of "missing pieces" - redacted information. It won't really tell us what's there, but we might be able to gain more insight into - hopefully - Raxxla and how it fits with the rest of the lore. I'm thinking it's like if you redacted WW1 from the history books, you'd still see a tremendous amount of stuff happening that doesn't make sense around that period in time - massive movements of people, huge numbers of deaths, polictical changes, etc. it would look very weird if you didn't have the context of WW1 - I'm hoping that same thing might happen with Raxxla.

We know Raxxla was discovered pre 2296, so that limits the scope very considerably. We only need to look at lore before that point which is actually pretty sparse.

That's why I've been looking at the Gen ships and such

Just sort of putting this idea out there. I'll post the doc for your consideration when I've got anywhere with it.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Brookes and Braben collaborated with other writers, including Allen Stroud, on creating a lore bible for Elite Dangerous. Allen has told us that he recognises parts of what he contributed in many Tourist Beacons, and he worked on the development of Hyperdrive Lore, the Lave system, etc. Drew Wager, despite his many faults, repeatedly told us about the cut-down lore bibles the official writers got to help them with their books - a similar document was given to the Elite RPG makers.

Brookes never was the core writer (he's important but not the core person). That was Allen Stroud. He also contributed to Elite Dangerous RPG in addition to Elite Encounters RPG. Information in the post with links to supporting evidence for what fed into the larger series (hint: Holdstock). Stroud essentially was responsible for creation of the lore bible and anything pre-3300.

Elite Dangerous's core lore person isn't Michael Brookes .. examining the breadcrumb trail of Allen Stroud

This is a repost from Independent Raxxla Hunters discord where someone had mentioned the lore stream and the fact there might be Raxxla references elsewhere. This is my response because it is has become increasingly evident Michael Brookes while instrumental in building the Elite Dangerous...

forums.frontier.co.uk

 

[Louis Calvert]

Brookes never was the core writer (he's important but not the core person). That was Allen Stroud. He also contributed to Elite Dangerous RPG in addition to Elite Encounters RPG. Information in the post with links to supporting evidence for what fed into the larger series (hint: Holdstock). Stroud essentially was responsible for creation of the lore bible and anything pre-3300.

Elite Dangerous's core lore person isn't Michael Brookes .. examining the breadcrumb trail of Allen Stroud

This is a repost from Independent Raxxla Hunters discord where someone had mentioned the lore stream and the fact there might be Raxxla references elsewhere. This is my response because it is has become increasingly evident Michael Brookes while instrumental in building the Elite Dangerous...

forums.frontier.co.uk

It literally doesn't matter at all whether the Lore Bible was written by Jesus himself or whether it was written by a million monkeys hitting keys at random.

The relevant information is that it exists and trying to reconstruct it by literally going through the in-game lore and putting it back together might be a viable path to finding clues.

You're continually derailing this thread with utterly pointless "umm... actually" posts, most of which you're either wrong about or just gibbering insanely about stuff that doesn't even make sense at all.

I'm going to block you, congrats on being literally the first and only person I've ever blocked in this thread and the second only person I've ever blocked on this entire forum in nearly 6 years.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

It literally doesn't matter at all whether the Lore Bible was written by Jesus himself or whether it was written by a million monkeys hitting keys at random.

The relevant information is that it exists and trying to reconstruct it by literally going through the in-game lore and putting it back together might be a viable path to finding clues.

You're continually derailing this thread with utterly pointless "umm... actually" posts, most of which you're either wrong about or just gibbering insanely about stuff that doesn't even make sense at all.

I'm going to block you, congrats on being literally the first and only person I've ever blocked in this thread and the second only person I've ever blocked on this entire forum in nearly 6 years.

Seriously? I gave you guidance on how the story was written so you have some reasonable approach to deducing what we are searching for. It isn't like I refused to help.

TL; DR: In the things that are obscured you will find small pieces that help to put together a more complete picture. Like a collapsing nebula becoming a star, light comes from the dark. Searching the light for light will not help you in your quest.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

You're continually derailing this thread with utterly pointless "umm... actually" posts, most of which you're either wrong about or just gibbering insanely about stuff that doesn't even make sense at all.

Being called crazy by those blinded by their own cultural conditioning is actually a compliment.

 

[Rochester]

Following on from the John Milton Conundrum; if we extrapolate along a trajectory starting from Pandemonium via Sol; but apply the John Milton equation of x 3; we identify Akras.

This is based upon the assumption where Milton identifies in Paradise Lost, the distance from Hells gate to the gate of Heaven as being 3 times the radius (or mini diameters) of the celestial sphere.

If we accept Pandemonium as the Celestial South Pole, and Sol as the axis, if this calculation is correct, based upon the distance from Sol to Pandemonium, this ought to place the Celestial North Pole at: -68.3125 / 228.0625 / -91.9375 = Akras.

Äkräs (also Ägröi, Egres) is a Finnish god of fertility and the turnip, the protector of beans, peas, cabbage!

Based upon its absurd naming it’s highly unlikely that Akras is the intended Celestial North Pole. I was there last night, twas a dull place of no importance. This draws attention to the assumption that Sol, is not the true Axis or that the distance attributed is incorrect.

It may also be, that FD are not aware of this John Milton calculation or it has been misinterpreted by this Cmdr.

There is also the issue that this concept is reliant upon the existence of a Milton sphere of influence, for this I’ve utilised Pandemonium to determine the distance; it cannot be Achenar (2296) which would seem the logical choice, but Achenar is actually further away than Pandemonium.

If following the Milton universe exactly then the Crystalline Sphere would not contain Pandemonium, which ought to be at least 1 radius aware from Sol…so this is primarily an assumption.

The prevalence of the Yggdrasil system and Norse runes systems does open this up to a much wider context. On they’re own they hold little relevance other than assisting to denote the diameter of the Milton mobile, therefore it either identifies there is no Celestial North Pole, or that a Yggdrasil system is being utilised as the primary axis, or Raxxla is shaped like a turnip.

Of course if not a turnip, then at least we have a Celestial pole, if FD are following the logic attributed to Miltons model universe then all one needs do is follow it upwards…

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Update of Milton’s Conundrum.

Seems I’ve mis-interpreted and underestimated the measurements, taking them from Pandemonium, instead this ought to be 3x the radius from the ‘centre’. Drawing much shorter than required. So no turnip surprise!

McBurneys Point, may also have relevance in supplying an alternative distance length as well!

So onwards and upwards we go!

 

[Darrack]

Just a quick one from you seasoned hunters if you please.
Regarding the much discussed generation ships do we know when the first mention of the Raxxla Toast was?
Obviously its in the Codex but I cant find any history of the Toast or an idea where it was first penned, im thinking of chicken and egg here, did the Toast come before the ships?

With the Toast possibly quoting events that happened on the ships (if we are right) then obviously the Toast came after?

O7

 

[CMDR Davanix]

Just a quick one from you seasoned hunters if you please.
Regarding the much discussed generation ships do we know when the first mention of the Raxxla Toast was?
Obviously its in the Codex but I cant find any history of the Toast or an idea where it was first penned, im thinking of chicken and egg here, did the Toast come before the ships?

With the Toast possibly quoting events that happened on the ships (if we are right) then obviously the Toast came after?

O7

There is no date to when the Toast was said created, it could have been the hour before the codex entry was input all the way back to 2022, (I say 2022 as Raxxla could have been discovered just after our now relative time up to 2296)

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

Just a quick one from you seasoned hunters if you please.
Regarding the much discussed generation ships do we know when the first mention of the Raxxla Toast was?
Obviously its in the Codex but I cant find any history of the Toast or an idea where it was first penned, im thinking of chicken and egg here, did the Toast come before the ships?

With the Toast possibly quoting events that happened on the ships (if we are right) then obviously the Toast came after?

O7

There is no date to when the Toast was said created, it could have been the hour before the codex entry was input all the way back to 2022, (I say 2022 as Raxxla could have been discovered just after our now relative time up to 2296)

We can go further. Not only do we not know when the toast is from, we don't even have a confirmation source of who or where it's from, only that it is "allegedly" used by the Dark Wheel. We don't know if they do, or even who alleges that they do.