Yep, tried listening. Tried shooting, honking, dropping in BH, dropping midway between binary BH -all nothing!

Just musing, but:
“This container appears to hold an assorted collection of low-value trinkets, knick-knacks and statuettes. Such trinkets are generally used by superstitious pilots to try and win favour with the lady Fortuna. However, these particular knick-knacks have a much more valuable prize hidden within.”

Maybe it’s actually the “alien omphalos rift” device hidden within? Perhaps we need to carry one in a certain place to activate it, or (more likely?) carrying one will activate the OR when we get to the appropriate area (like a GG planetary ring which otherwise are too huge to search)? They carry the same side number as SAP8 containers which IIRC were supposed to carry a “crystal map”, and Guardian crystals were alien and seemed capable of mysterious things. Six-fold symmetry that Han_Zen mentioned above is typical of Guardians technology.

No, they may have to be acquired through piracy or exploration (two systems where they are common are a fair journey away from the bubble), but I suspect a different mechanism would be needed to trigger them-MB wouldnt want Raxxla to be found by happenstance but by someone undertaking the “personal journey” by following his clues.
To me it sounds like the trinkets are used for smugling. Low price objects, with something valuable hidden inside. Anything small an valuable can be shipped discreetly, with this method. That could include mysterious tech and crystal maps, but mostly drugs or gem stones probably.

Trinkets come in the standard cargo container. I don't know if they have any hidden game function, except for story telling.
 
FD Support and Devs confirmed in a ticket that the Trinkets were linked to the now removed DW missions, it was asked why the Trinkets were still in game whilst the DW missions were not, was this an oversight or bug, FD replied saying the trinkets were now at most a ‘curiosity’; whilst the ‘story’ linked to them may be turned back on at some point?

Hypothetically I take this to indicate they were to be utilised in either the DW missions, or their own narrative, but now they are ‘environmental narrative’.

The reference FD recently made, although touching, is a direct link to Brookes book Elite Legacy and they are tethering this to Raxxla.

If there is any active function for Trinkets it is either now redundant, or they contextually direct us to the same area through their mythical links, or there is some older unknown mechanism similar to the work implemented with unknown probes!

There exists a Dev video of Brookes saying something similar, about being careful about transporting certain illegal cargo in Alliance space, it then cuts to an amusing ‘reaction’ he pulls with a Brookes smirk and appropriate ominous music!

Dev fiction diaries 1 around 7:11.

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FD Support and Devs confirmed in a ticket that the Trinkets were linked to the now removed DW missions, and were now at most a ‘curiosity’, the story linked to them may be turned back on at some point?

There exists a Dev video of Brookes saying something similar, about being careful about transporting certain illegal cargo in Alliance space, it then cuts to an amusing ‘reaction’ he pulls with a Brookes smirk and appropriate ominous music!

Dev fiction diaries 1 around 7:11.

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Yes, I referred to this the other day. From Legacy
“Julia as a girl ... dreamed of being the first pilot to discover Raxxla...She hoped to keep her Eagle as she’d grown accustomed to its idiosyncrasies”...”whether it was a suitable ship for travelling all the way to Alliance space was another matter”

So was this video clip a hint that Raxxla is located in Alliance Space? I thought he portrayed the Alliance as evil men? (Which would fit Holdstock’s mythos for Raxxla).

But how would this fit the Underworld region you identified? I know Hecate is owned by Pranav Antal, but cant remember the Superpower influence in this region. Only seem to remember Independent & one Fed system...but I didnt sleep well last week on holiday (mattress too hard for my ageing hips) & am still a bit slow. Also need...more coffee!!
 
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*apologies - stream of consciousness, not had my morning cup of tea!

The issue of Power Play may not be related, I suspect the two (Raxxla and PP) were developed separately.

I suspect Raxxla was very much MB concept, and a homage to Holdstock and the historical lore of the game, whilst PP was very much a DB concept.

I can’t recall the timelines of development roll out but believe PP came later, I suspect they were rolled out with no regard to each other. So if certain sectors such as with the Alliance are relevant ( which I do suspect) then I actually disregard PP, as I don’t think it’s related simply because it is in flux, mailable and probably came in after the fact.

The ‘lost realms’ sector (as I’m now rebranding it) fall in an odd underbelly in the PP map. Most of the powers encompass it on all sides, but not below it.

Again the mythic lost lands have not all been located - I’m seeing certain deities upon the same alignment, but which don’t have a shared relationship eg they are not part of a larger shared pantheon.

My current tin-foil theory is these surround or mingle within the ‘underworld’ sector and are hypothetically Brookes allusion to Miltonian demons.

If true and not just pattern bias then it may widen the area of this ‘underworld of lost realms’ as such I do wonder if it leads us elsewhere?

It does seem odd FD would hide Raxxla in such a busy area, the level of traffic would make me initially suspicious. But one of the very first things I did in game was circumvented the bubble, just below the celestial hemisphere where there wasn’t much action, it was filled with numerous undiscovered worlds no one had ever mapped…

And the Brookes tours do stretch out considerably, so anything is possible, the underworld area may be lower/deeper than expected… looking at PP my GIS mind can’t help but notice the weird void below it, it’s not uniform…

You see I’m conflicted because my Miltonian mindset’s tells me Raxxla ought to be higher up, on the outer side of our bubble, closer to heaven. This would tie-in with Brookes own allegory of heavenly gates in his imagery!

But now I’m convinced Brookes saw ‘paradise/eden’ as the goal, not heavens gate. This didn’t occur to me at all untill FD published their recent memorial, and my reading of Holdstocks Lost Realms.

FD statement in my opinion clearly paints Raxxla as a Miltonian Paradise aka Eden.

Lost Realms associates Eden with other lost kingdoms. These just so happen to be in game, tightly packed, around Axis Mundi, seemingly in alignment with a hypothetical 2296 sphere of influence etc etc!

To me it says Brookes obfuscated Raxxla on the outer rim, eg hidden Raxxla in a plethora of other hidden or lost realms… so Raxxla may actually be hanging from a golden thread downwards not necessarily up from this realm!

One thing that struck me too was that, now if we associate Raxxla with Milton’s Paradise, the Omphalos Rift begins to acquire context.

In Milton’s Paradise Lost, Paradise is only accessible via one entry point, surrounded as it is via an impregnable crystalline and featureless dark shell. This opening is at its apex, the allegory for me now seems to shift, because I wrongly thought Brookes focused upon Lucifers journey to heavens gate.

I now suspect that Raxxla is either in or below this sector of Lost Realms… but there are other elements which conflate things. All I know is these Lost Realms are in game, and I would stake my reputation on them being an intentional Holdstock Easter egg, linked to Raxxla.

Now one aspect of Milton’ Hell, which has a link to Holdstock’ Lost Ream’s, was that Hell was a perversion of Heaven.

Holdstock likewise uses this quote on page 57 “As Above, So below”.

I wonder more than ever how much big an influence Holdstock had on defining what/where Raxxla is! Initially when I was following my investigations into Milton, the one thing which prevailed was - if this is too literal it’s going to come across as very religious… it makes sense that Brookes utilised such abstract elements gleamed from various influences, to build something new, but at the same time so referential.

Raxxla therefore might not totally align with the traditional Miltonian universe concept. This ‘Underworld’ and ‘Yggdrasil’ may be a twisted allegory, as above, so below…

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What else there is remains an unknown.
 
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Yes PP came a bit later in the version rollout & I agree it is unlikely to have any relevance to the Raxxla puzzle, but the three Superpowers have been in-game from the outset. It might be that MB was giving us clues (with that Dev Diary vid and Legacy) to look in Alliance space, but clearly your Underworld region is part of his puzzle. Just wondering how the Superpower regions of influence overlap with it, specifically any Alliance systems within it.
 
Yes - I’ve had the same assumption and I believe it’s highly likely.

Currently I’m re-mapping the ‘Underworld of Lost Realms’ to be more in line with Holdstock, as I built it based upon my assessment of the Codex, I suspect some part of it does fall in this area but I’ve not assessed it as was unsure of its full shape. I’m now more confident of its relevance than ever thanks to Holdstock, but I feel there are elements I’ve missed which might hold greater relevance… currently still reviewing Holdstocks Lost Realms (between RL stuff). Right now any correlation with a power is an unknown - it needs development but it feels likely.
 
To me it sounds like the trinkets are used for smugling. Low price objects, with something valuable hidden inside. Anything small an valuable can be shipped discreetly, with this method. That could include mysterious tech and crystal maps, but mostly drugs or gem stones probably.

Trinkets come in the standard cargo container. I don't know if they have any hidden game function, except for story telling.
Are they used to gain favour with a particular faction, ike Crom Silver Fesh?
 
what's a green filled triangle marker on the galmap? got two popped up & cant see it in the legend. Not bookmarks...?? Unfortunately cant remember the system names.

(Edit : don’t think I was in Commodity View, and wasn’t looking for any commodities!)

Mmmm, finally got a trader with Trinkets, Hatch breakers wouldnt work....then he exploded when I was trying to shoot his cargo hatch. Needless to say none were dropped! :confused:
 
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Hatch breakers are vulnerable to point defence turrets, so it can be tricky to get one to lock on - keep trying!

Today I have focused on looking in uninhabited systems with non-procedural names. Many of these are in the 'lost realms' region below Achenar. Almost all are empty, though there are a couple of exceptions (e.g. Mot, which I had previously visited, is almost right next to Achenar itself). As such, it feels like these are pointers to look around this region of space and not themselves the location of Raxxla or The Dark Wheel base.
Details in the spoiler tags for ease of reading:
Dyaus Pita: empty.
Muert: empty.
Saguenay: empty.
Barastyr: empty.
Iztaccihuatl: empty.
Paititi: empty (I flew by the distant secondary star as this is one of the 'cities of gold' and found nothing).
Mesenet: empty.
Tefnet: empty.
Fulfuns: empty.
Onuava: one planet, BC 1, gas giant with neither rings nor moons. Close flyby revealed nothing.
Epona: empty.
I have a bit of exploration data on me now, so I will probably turn that in tomorrow and then start looking in the procedural systems around this region, with an emphasis on ringed moons.
 
Raxxla therefore might not totally align with the Miltonian universe. This ‘Underworld’ and ‘Yggdrasil’ may beca twisted allegory, as above, so below…

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What else there is remains an unknown.

Ahhh nice to see this - yes for a while now i have felt the story was not linked to one particular culture - be it greek or norse or egyptian… etc… but seems to be borrowing based on some of the universal themes like the seven sisters and orion myth, and the axis mundi - themes which go back in time and stretch across many cultures….
 
Codex says of Raxxla “the location of which is a deadly secret”; which increases my suspicion that the location is hidden in an anarchy system....it’s going to be hairy carrying Trinkets while searching an anarchy, lots of pirates will be interested!
(Mmm, maybe time to swap my exploration Phantom for combat Krait II or Corvette!)
Famous anarchies from the lore:

Elite:
Onisou (insufficient info to locate)
Xeesenri insufficient info to locate)

Frontier:
  • Bedaho (Astrogator/Saud Kruger/Narwhal/Brenquith/Gold skins)
  • Phekda (likely settled too late but very resource rich, home to Ancients of Mumu)
  • Zelada (aka Veliaze)

First Encounters:
  • Acksoex (aka Bedaho due to planet Home)
  • Ackwada (Brenquith)
  • Arexack (due to long-standing religious war)
 
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Thinking about named systems…. Han Zen made a point that we cant know why they were named … probably by the inhabitants… but what about the un-inhabited systems with just a star or two that have these interesting names…. I would assume it was named by universal cartographics? A shady bunch if ever there was. - i guess im just wondering if maybe focusing on empty named systems might work -because the only reason for naming them might be as signposts…
 
Hatch breakers are vulnerable to point defence turrets, so it can be tricky to get one to lock on - keep trying!

Today I have focused on looking in uninhabited systems with non-procedural names. Many of these are in the 'lost realms' region below Achenar. Almost all are empty, though there are a couple of exceptions (e.g. Mot, which I had previously visited, is almost right next to Achenar itself). As such, it feels like these are pointers to look around this region of space and not themselves the location of Raxxla or The Dark Wheel base.
Details in the spoiler tags for ease of reading:
Dyaus Pita: empty.
Muert: empty.
Saguenay: empty.
Barastyr: empty.
Iztaccihuatl: empty.
Paititi: empty (I flew by the distant secondary star as this is one of the 'cities of gold' and found nothing).
Mesenet: empty.
Tefnet: empty.
Fulfuns: empty.
Onuava: one planet, BC 1, gas giant with neither rings nor moons. Close flyby revealed nothing.
Epona: empty.
I have a bit of exploration data on me now, so I will probably turn that in tomorrow and then start looking in the procedural systems around this region, with an emphasis on ringed moons.
Finally got 4 on my third attempt. Made the mistake of launching 2 hatchbreakers simultaneously so they didnt do anything, second attempt I think the target was too fast for the limpet and eventually high waked away.
 
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Just took the time to map every underworld, otherworld, lost world or related entities that Wikipedia could point me towards.

Apart from a handful of them (Hel, Yama, Naraka, probably some others I forgot) they seem to form a half-sphere centered on Achenar. This brings me to two hypotheses:
  1. this is just Imperial theme naming and we're chasing a false track
  2. they point in the general direction of Raxxla... hopefully
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Just took the time to map every underworld, otherworld, lost world or related entities that Wikipedia could point me towards.

Apart from a handful of them (Hel, Yama, Naraka, probably some others I forgot) they seem to form a half-sphere centered on Achenar. This brings me to two hypotheses:
  1. this is just Imperial theme naming and we're chasing a false track
  2. they point in the general direction of Raxxla... hopefully
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Nice- ya there do seem to be several blobs of related named systems - but this one is a considerable size.

Ive been wondering if Achenar … being the end of “the river” is the bottom of an axis.. especially as the beginning of “the river” is Orion…
 
Thinking about named systems…. Han Zen made a point that we cant know why they were named … probably by the inhabitants… but what about the un-inhabited systems with just a star or two that have these interesting names…. I would assume it was named by universal cartographics? A shady bunch if ever there was. - i guess im just wondering if maybe focusing on empty named systems might work -because the only reason for naming them might be as signposts…
Dont forget universal cartographics are owned by Pilots Federation- I’m convinced there’s a Guardian/AI running that!
 
Nice- ya there do seem to be several blobs of related named systems - but this one is a considerable size.

Ive been wondering if Achenar … being the end of “the river” is the bottom of an axis.. especially as the beginning of “the river” is Orion…
Achenar marked the end if the river Eridanus, the river of the Underworld

Nothing about rivers in the codex is there?
 
Just took the time to map every underworld, otherworld, lost world or related entities that Wikipedia could point me towards.

Apart from a handful of them (Hel, Yama, Naraka, probably some others I forgot) they seem to form a half-sphere centered on Achenar. This brings me to two hypotheses:
  1. this is just Imperial theme naming and we're chasing a false track
  2. they point in the general direction of Raxxla... hopefully
k3IbehF.png
Dont forget universal cartographics are owned by Pilots Federation- I’m convinced there’s a Guardian/AI running that!
Yes, and his name is Jaques amongst many others.

Throwing this out there. Facece seems to be unusually important and technically Facece is a close match for Soontill given it has an actual ringed brown dwarf. That system is very possibly the most secure system in the Bubble outside of possibly Eta Cassiopeia (Federal Navy HQ). Perhaps we should check Facece 6 (believe it may have the correct number of moons based on maps in Elite Encounters RPG). There is also Holdstock lore to the effect that there a system with a brown dwarf with rings with a time anomaly from "Where Time Winds Blow", "Alien World: A Complete Illustrated Guide", and "Tour of the Universe". System was known by Altuxor and Kamelios. The main character Leo Faulcon who's family almost certainly founds Faulcon-Delacy.

Yes, Facece 6 has the correct number of moons. Anyone got that permit?

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