The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Jorki Rasalas]

Not quite. I think we might be a bit short on cosmic enlightenment.

Alternatively....
Brandy!

@Rochester : I heard that the toilets are vandalised, the landing area has 30 minute parking meters, the boat is holed and the café is closed for refurbishment.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

The Terra Mater system was permit-locked at launch but the permit-giving faction did give out the permit from systems they had a presence in.
I made it my business in 3301 to get all the permits I could and the Terra Mater permit was probably the hardest to get, as the anarchy faction that gave it out had only a small presence in one system at the time (during 1.3 iirc), so missions for them were scarce. It took me the better part of a week, playing more than I am able to these days.

Sounds a good candidate system then!
Permit locked from outset, logo/mythology/old mission description all fit, anarchy so might be described as a deadly secret (especially if carrying Trinkets, although strangely yesterday I was scanned several times but had no attacks or interdictions...the pirates were strangely quiet).
But if that’s the system, how to find the location within it?

Did have another thought yesterday so hared off to try a different system...

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

OK, have tested out yesterday's other thought, which was to go back to Paradise Lost and reinterpret the Toast as Jewel-Earth/Moon, Whisperer/Siren of deepest void-Sirius/Lucifer and Parent's grief/lover's woe - Fall
because I spotted a system named Fall not far from Sol and the expulsion of Adam & Eve from Eden was a fall, god the father was aggrieved and Adam was a mite upset. Also "two angels find Lucifer, disguised as a toad, whispering into the ear of Eve as she sleeps", and he was the siren of the deepest void.

Went to Sol/Earth, then Sirius/Lucifer then to Fall...

I've searched through Fall, dropped out at co-orbiting moons and rings, and checked the 3 asteroid clusters...nothing found, but again from the Journal file there are some unassigned bodyids that are likely "comet" bodies.

Fall body search​	​	​
system address​	1732985819866​	​
​	​	​
Body#​	SearchString​	​
0​	Wredguia FV-E c25-6​	Fall​
1​	Wredguia FV-E c25-131078​	ring​
2​	Wredguia FV-E c25-262150​	Fall A Belt Cluster 1​
3​	Wredguia FV-E c25-393222​	Fall A Belt Cluster 2​
4​	Wredguia FV-E c25-524294​	Fall A Belt Cluster 3​
5​	Wredguia FV-E c25-655366​	Fall 1​
6​	Wredguia FV-E c25-786438​	Fall 1 a​
7​	Wredguia FV-E c25-917510​	Fall 1 b​
8​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1048582​	Fall 1 c​
9​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1179654​	Fall 1 d​
10​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1310726​	Fall 1 d a​
11​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1441798​	​
12​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1572870​	Fall 1 e​
13​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1703942​	Fall 2​
14​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1835014​	Fall 2 a​
15​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1966086​	Fall 2 b​
16​	Wredguia FV-E c25-2097158​	Fall 2 c​
17​	Wredguia FV-E c25-2228230​	Fall 2 d​
18​	Wredguia FV-E c25-2359302​	Fall 2 e​
19​	Wredguia FV-E c25-2490374​	Fall 2 e a​
20​	Wredguia FV-E c25-2621446​	barycentre​
21​	Wredguia FV-E c25-2752518​	Fall 2 f​
22​	Wredguia FV-E c25-2883590​	Fall 2 g​
23​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3014662​	​
24​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3145734​	barycentre​
25​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3276806​	Fall 3​
26​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3407878​	Fall 3 A Ring​
27​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3538950​	Fall 3 B Ring​
28​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3670022​	Fall 3 a​
29​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3801094​	Fall 4​
30​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3932166​	Fall 4 A Ring​
31​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4063238​	Fall 5​
32​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4194310​	Fall 5 A Ring​
33​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4325382​	barycentre​
34​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4456454​	Fall 5 a​
35​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4587526​	Fall 5 b​
36​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4718598​	Fall 5 c​
37​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4849670​	Fall 5 d​
38​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4980742​	Fall 5 e​
39​	Wredguia FV-E c25-5111814​	​
40​	Wredguia FV-E c25-5242886​	​
41​	Wredguia FV-E c25-5373958​	​
42​	Wredguia FV-E c25-5505030​	​
43​	Wredguia FV-E c25-5636102​	​
44​	Wredguia FV-E c25-5767174​	​
45​	Wredguia FV-E c25-5898246​	​
46​	Wredguia FV-E c25-6029318​	Babcock Relay​
47​	Wredguia FV-E c25-6160390​	​
48​	Wredguia FV-E c25-6291462​	​
49​	Wredguia FV-E c25-6422534​	​
50​	Wredguia FV-E c25-6553606​	​

 

[Rochester]

OK, have tested out yesterday's other thought, which was to go back to Paradise Lost and reinterpret the Toast as Jewel-Earth/Moon, Whisperer/Sire of deepest void-Sirius/Lucifer and Parent's grief/lover's woe - Fall
because I spotted a system named Fall not far from Sol and the expulsion of Adam & Eve from Eden was a fall, god the father was aggrieved and Adam was a mite upset. Also "two angels find Lucifer, disguised as a toad, whispering into the ear of Eve as she sleeps", and he was the siren of the deepest.

Went to Sol/Earth, then Sirius/Lucifer then to Fall...

I've searched through Fall, dropped out at co-orbiting moons and rings, and checked the 3 asteroid clusters...nothing found, but again from the Journal file there are some unassigned bodyids that are likely "comet" bodies.

Fall body search​	​	​
system address​	1732985819866​	​
​	​	​
Body#​	SearchString​	​
0​	Wredguia FV-E c25-6​	Fall​
1​	Wredguia FV-E c25-131078​	ring​
2​	Wredguia FV-E c25-262150​	Fall A Belt Cluster 1​
3​	Wredguia FV-E c25-393222​	Fall A Belt Cluster 2​
4​	Wredguia FV-E c25-524294​	Fall A Belt Cluster 3​
5​	Wredguia FV-E c25-655366​	Fall 1​
6​	Wredguia FV-E c25-786438​	Fall 1 a​
7​	Wredguia FV-E c25-917510​	Fall 1 b​
8​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1048582​	Fall 1 c​
9​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1179654​	Fall 1 d​
10​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1310726​	Fall 1 d a​
11​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1441798​	​
12​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1572870​	Fall 1 e​
13​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1703942​	Fall 2​
14​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1835014​	Fall 2 a​
15​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1966086​	Fall 2 b​
16​	Wredguia FV-E c25-2097158​	Fall 2 c​
17​	Wredguia FV-E c25-2228230​	Fall 2 d​
18​	Wredguia FV-E c25-2359302​	Fall 2 e​
19​	Wredguia FV-E c25-2490374​	Fall 2 e a​
20​	Wredguia FV-E c25-2621446​	barycentre​
21​	Wredguia FV-E c25-2752518​	Fall 2 f​
22​	Wredguia FV-E c25-2883590​	Fall 2 g​
23​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3014662​	​
24​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3145734​	barycentre​
25​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3276806​	Fall 3​
26​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3407878​	Fall 3 A Ring​
27​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3538950​	Fall 3 B Ring​
28​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3670022​	Fall 3 a​
29​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3801094​	Fall 4​
30​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3932166​	Fall 4 A Ring​
31​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4063238​	Fall 5​
32​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4194310​	Fall 5 A Ring​
33​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4325382​	barycentre​
34​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4456454​	Fall 5 a​
35​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4587526​	Fall 5 b​
36​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4718598​	Fall 5 c​
37​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4849670​	Fall 5 d​
38​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4980742​	Fall 5 e​
39​	Wredguia FV-E c25-5111814​	​
40​	Wredguia FV-E c25-5242886​	​
41​	Wredguia FV-E c25-5373958​	​
42​	Wredguia FV-E c25-5505030​	​
43​	Wredguia FV-E c25-5636102​	​
44​	Wredguia FV-E c25-5767174​	​
45​	Wredguia FV-E c25-5898246​	​
46​	Wredguia FV-E c25-6029318​	Babcock Relay​
47​	Wredguia FV-E c25-6160390​	​
48​	Wredguia FV-E c25-6291462​	​
49​	Wredguia FV-E c25-6422534​	​
50​	Wredguia FV-E c25-6553606​	​

O7 good find. Considering the below findings, I now suspect ‘Fall’ is indeed an international link to Pandemonium.

Remember there were two falls. The fall of Lucifer and then the fall of man, note that the system of ‘Fall’ is actually relatively higher than Sol.

On its own probably not enough to establish a connection however what I find tantalising is when compared with the path of Persephone the path between Fall and Pandemonium aligns.

Utilising this trajectory, I wonder what else it might identify?

* Yggdrasil systems, with Demeter / Persephone in white; Fall / Pandemonium in red.

Now what I also find interesting is that in Paradise Lost, Lucifers initial fall direction isn’t really documented in detail, he just falls, but in the main text, where he travels, from Hell to the Spheres then the golden chain/stairs, he then travels downwards at oblique angle!

* Path of Persephone and the Fall, in relation to the Greek compass (green).

No we’ve been here before, and I do believe a true Miltonian model universe although a great concept, has not actually been intentionally replicated in game. This is simply because the ‘Lost Realms’ (aka Paradise’s) are in the wrong location if this were so.

Unless it’s inverted, ‘as above so below’ as RH referenced in Lost Realms, Milton advocated Hell was a perverse copy of heaven.

Rather I feel this is yet another aid used by FD to subtly direct our attention directionally towards the realms.

 

[El Saico]

OK, have tested out yesterday's other thought, which was to go back to Paradise Lost and reinterpret the Toast as Jewel-Earth/Moon, Whisperer/Sire of deepest void-Sirius/Lucifer and Parent's grief/lover's woe - Fall
because I spotted a system named Fall not far from Sol and the expulsion of Adam & Eve from Eden was a fall, god the father was aggrieved and Adam was a mite upset. Also "two angels find Lucifer, disguised as a toad, whispering into the ear of Eve as she sleeps", and he was the siren of the deepest.

Went to Sol/Earth, then Sirius/Lucifer then to Fall...

I've searched through Fall, dropped out at co-orbiting moons and rings, and checked the 3 asteroid clusters...nothing found, but again from the Journal file there are some unassigned bodyids that are likely "comet" bodies.

Fall body search​	​	​
system address​	1732985819866​	​
​	​	​
Body#​	SearchString​	​
0​	Wredguia FV-E c25-6​	Fall​
1​	Wredguia FV-E c25-131078​	ring​
2​	Wredguia FV-E c25-262150​	Fall A Belt Cluster 1​
3​	Wredguia FV-E c25-393222​	Fall A Belt Cluster 2​
4​	Wredguia FV-E c25-524294​	Fall A Belt Cluster 3​
5​	Wredguia FV-E c25-655366​	Fall 1​
6​	Wredguia FV-E c25-786438​	Fall 1 a​
7​	Wredguia FV-E c25-917510​	Fall 1 b​
8​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1048582​	Fall 1 c​
9​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1179654​	Fall 1 d​
10​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1310726​	Fall 1 d a​
11​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1441798​	​
12​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1572870​	Fall 1 e​
13​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1703942​	Fall 2​
14​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1835014​	Fall 2 a​
15​	Wredguia FV-E c25-1966086​	Fall 2 b​
16​	Wredguia FV-E c25-2097158​	Fall 2 c​
17​	Wredguia FV-E c25-2228230​	Fall 2 d​
18​	Wredguia FV-E c25-2359302​	Fall 2 e​
19​	Wredguia FV-E c25-2490374​	Fall 2 e a​
20​	Wredguia FV-E c25-2621446​	barycentre​
21​	Wredguia FV-E c25-2752518​	Fall 2 f​
22​	Wredguia FV-E c25-2883590​	Fall 2 g​
23​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3014662​	​
24​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3145734​	barycentre​
25​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3276806​	Fall 3​
26​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3407878​	Fall 3 A Ring​
27​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3538950​	Fall 3 B Ring​
28​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3670022​	Fall 3 a​
29​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3801094​	Fall 4​
30​	Wredguia FV-E c25-3932166​	Fall 4 A Ring​
31​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4063238​	Fall 5​
32​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4194310​	Fall 5 A Ring​
33​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4325382​	barycentre​
34​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4456454​	Fall 5 a​
35​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4587526​	Fall 5 b​
36​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4718598​	Fall 5 c​
37​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4849670​	Fall 5 d​
38​	Wredguia FV-E c25-4980742​	Fall 5 e​
39​	Wredguia FV-E c25-5111814​	​
40​	Wredguia FV-E c25-5242886​	​
41​	Wredguia FV-E c25-5373958​	​
42​	Wredguia FV-E c25-5505030​	​
43​	Wredguia FV-E c25-5636102​	​
44​	Wredguia FV-E c25-5767174​	​
45​	Wredguia FV-E c25-5898246​	​
46​	Wredguia FV-E c25-6029318​	Babcock Relay​
47​	Wredguia FV-E c25-6160390​	​
48​	Wredguia FV-E c25-6291462​	​
49​	Wredguia FV-E c25-6422534​	​
50​	Wredguia FV-E c25-6553606​	​

Looking at these search strings, I reached a conclusion.
I'm waaaay more adept at recognizing binary patterns on decimal numbers than it should be healthy.

And it tells a little about how Stellar Forge handles these numbers. See - the main (in this case only) star in this system ends on 6, and if you subtract 6 from several of those values - or cut the 6 or 06 at the end - you get a power of 2.
So, after some bit massaging, what I found was that, if you cut the bottom 17 bits (which, in less nerdy terms, means dividing by 131072)...

You get the Body# value on the left. Meh.

...although, if the expected values misalign or something, that'd be a weird anomaly.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Looking at these search strings, I reached a conclusion.
I'm waaaay more adept at recognizing binary patterns on decimal numbers than it should be healthy.

And it tells a little about how Stellar Forge handles these numbers. See - the main (in this case only) star in this system ends on 6, and if you subtract 6 from several of those values - or cut the 6 or 06 at the end - you get a power of 2.
So, after some bit massaging, what I found was that, if you cut the bottom 16 bits (which, in less nerdy terms, means dividing by 256)...

You get the Body# value on the left. Meh.

...although, if the expected values misalign or something, that'd be a weird anomaly.

Theres a video on it

Source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz3nhCykZNw

 

[Han_Zen]

A couple of more points regarding the flower Narcissus (Daffodil), as a marker of the entrance to the underworld.

- One section (group) of Narcissus are called Ganymedes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Narcissus_species
Ganymede(s) was also a Greek youth with a similar, but opposite story of Persephone. Ganymede was kidnapped by Zeus and forcefully taken to the Olympos (heaven). There he acted as Zeus's cup-bearer. He is represented in the sky with the constellation Aquarius, next to Aquila the eagle that kidnapped him.
Ganymede does of course, like Persephone, have his own celestial body in Sol. As a moon of Jupiter (Zeus).

- The similarities between Daffodils and Onionhead are interesting. They are both flowering plants that grows from a bulb and produce seeds. The even have the same active ingredient, 'alkaloid compounds'. Alkaloids from Daffodils are used in several medicines. In Onionhead they are psychoactive.
Real Onionhead is only grown on Panem in Kappa Fornacis, but it's native to HIP 55118. Most likely HIP 55118 3, as it has most similar environment with Panem. Could possibly also be HIP 55118 4.
It is also worth noting that Jasmina Halsey was violently active in the fight against Onionhead, in her time as Federal President.

Onionhead

Not to be confused with Lucan Onionhead, Onionhead Alpha Strain, Onionhead Beta Strain, or Onionhead Gamma Strain. The Onionhead flower is native to HIP 55118, and its seeds contain the well-known psychedelic narcotic. Illegal in most jurisdictions. — In-Game Description Onionhead, sometimes...

elite-dangerous.fandom.com

I don't know if any of this means anything, but it might be another small indicator of a three way gateway? At least it points to an unremarkable moon and to a possible source of cosmic enlightenment.

 

[Rochester]

A couple of more points regarding the flower Narcissus (Daffodil), as a marker of the entrance to the underworld.

- One section (group) of Narcissus are called Ganymedes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Narcissus_species
Ganymede(s) was also a Greek youth with a similar, but opposite story of Persephone. Ganymede was kidnapped by Zeus and forcefully taken to the Olympos (heaven). There he acted as Zeus's cup-bearer. He is represented in the sky with the constellation Aquarius, next to Aquila the eagle that kidnapped him.
Ganymede does of course, like Persephone, have his own celestial body in Sol. As a moon of Jupiter (Zeus).

- The similarities between Daffodils and Onionhead are interesting. They are both flowering plants that grows from a bulb and produce seeds. The even have the same active ingredient, 'alkaloid compounds'. Alkaloids from Daffodils are used in several medicines. In Onionhead they are psychoactive.
Real Onionhead is only grown on Panem in Kappa Fornacis, but it's native to HIP 55118. Most likely HIP 55118 3, as it has most similar environment with Panem. Could possibly also be HIP 55118 4.
It is also worth noting that Jasmina Halsey was violently active in the fight against Onionhead, in her time as Federal President.

Onionhead

Not to be confused with Lucan Onionhead, Onionhead Alpha Strain, Onionhead Beta Strain, or Onionhead Gamma Strain. The Onionhead flower is native to HIP 55118, and its seeds contain the well-known psychedelic narcotic. Illegal in most jurisdictions. — In-Game Description Onionhead, sometimes...

elite-dangerous.fandom.com

I don't know if any of this means anything, but it might be another small indicator of a three way gateway? At least it points to an unremarkable moon and to a possible source of cosmic enlightenment.

I do like this line of enquiry, I never truly understood the general prominence and importance of the onion-head storyline. In regards to a game’s developer wanting to promote narcotics/culture - which effectively and unnecessarily raises its PG rating, potentially excluding a certain customer demographic?

I wonder if this might have been some type of narrative arc, pushing us towards a certain objective, could the same be said of the trinkets?

What ‘function’ would a commodity perform, trading - missions / faction, or carrying - POIs? Thing is ultimately for such commodities to work, FD would have to give instructions, eg very obvious mission or some CG?

It’s one thing to know your potential carrying the correct item, but what are you supposed to do with them? Again far too wide, if applicable I feel it would need instructions.

 

[Han_Zen]

I do like this line of enquiry, I never truly understood the general prominence and importance of the onion-head storyline. In regards to a game’s developer wanting to promote narcotics/culture - which effectively and unnecessarily raises its PG rating, potentially excluding a certain customer demographic?

Narcotics smugling has been part of Elite, since the first game. To leave it out completely, would not go down well with backers and fans. Onionhead is more ambiguous. We don't really know if it's harmful or not. There has been plenty of political drama around the Onionhead story. One can always hope there is more to the story, than just a toned down drug smugling option.

When it comes to instructions, I guess that is where the Dark Wheel will have a function eventually. Unfortunately I doubt that they have started inviting people yet. There are to many players with Elite in everything and all the ranks, for us not to have heard about anything.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Narcotics smugling has been part of Elite, since the first game. To leave it out completely, would not go down well with backers and fans. Onionhead is more ambiguous. We don't really know if it's harmful or not. There has been plenty of political drama around the Onionhead story. One can always hope there is more to the story, than just a toned down drug smugling option.

When it comes to instructions, I guess that is where the Dark Wheel will have a function eventually. Unfortunately I doubt that they have started inviting people yet. There are to many players with Elite in everything and all the ranks, for us not to have heard about anything.

Onionhead makes you cry!

 

[Rochester]

Narcotics smugling has been part of Elite, since the first game. To leave it out completely, would not go down well with backers and fans. Onionhead is more ambiguous. We don't really know if it's harmful or not. There has been plenty of political drama around the Onionhead story. One can always hope there is more to the story, than just a toned down drug smugling option.

When it comes to instructions, I guess that is where the Dark Wheel will have a function eventually. Unfortunately I doubt that they have started inviting people yet. There are to many players with Elite in everything and all the ranks, for us not to have heard about anything.

How true.

The DW I suspect is likely no longer an active force in game, as you’ve identified the simply huge number of Cmdrs means such a ‘clandestine group’ could not maintain its anonymity upon entry, not unless you apply some type of community element, otherwise it would become an integral and huge element in game which could overshadow everything.

Personally I believe FD applied a clever version of retconning; by essentially inferring the in game faction was bogus (an insight Drew confirmed). You don’t need to have a real DW, it remains a fiction, an unknown.

We as Cmdrs were led to believe otherwise, through our manuals etc.. but not intentionally, simply due to an absence in information. However a ticket was raised on this subject, and it essentially confirms there is no test.

Personally I feel this indicates there is no DW. However, I presume the new data in the codex essentially affirms there is a DW station. My guess is it’s a dead station with voice logs….

The system’s identified regarding Onion head are actually very far removed from the general Underworld sector. I feel if this is relevant, more data is required.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I thought I'd find the nearest systems within 100ly of Sol and look through them for Paradise Lost etc meaningful names.
I'm handicapped as Ive never read more than a few lines of Milton (poetry of any form is not my thing)... but I find I'm also handicapped because Spansh's Systems search option is coming back with a load of nonsense at the moment. Tried Inara but that doesnt go out beyond 20 ly & I cant see a filter value to change.
What are people using in the absence of EDDB?

edit
mmm, as a fallback I used the body search for any star within 103 ly which worked, but only found Fall after I reduced the solar mass filter from 1.0 to 0.5.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

How true.

The DW I suspect is likely no longer an active force in game, as you’ve identified the simply huge number of Cmdrs means such a ‘clandestine group’ could not maintain its anonymity upon entry, not unless you apply some type of community element, otherwise it would become an integral and huge element in game which could overshadow everything.

Personally I believe FD applied a clever version of retconning; by essentially inferring the in game faction was bogus (an insight Drew confirmed). You don’t need to have a real DW, it remains a fiction, an unknown.

We as Cmdrs were led to believe otherwise, through our manuals etc.. but not intentionally, simply due to an absence in information. However a ticket was raised on this subject, and it essentially confirms there is no test.

Personally I feel this indicates there is no DW. However, I presume the new data in the codex essentially affirms there is a DW station. My guess is it’s a dead station with voice logs….

The system’s identified regarding Onion head are actually very far removed from the general Underworld sector. I feel if this is relevant, more data is required.

If you read the codex para on Lyta Crane's comments dispassionately then enough doubt is thrown on them to make it unlikely (IMO) that TDW exists at all in-game.
Galnet Influencers!!

 

[Rochester]

I thought I'd find the nearest systems within 100ly of Sol and look through them for Paradise Lost etc meaningful names.
I'm handicapped as Ive never read more than a few lines of Milton (poetry of any form is not my thing)... but I find I'm also handicapped because Spansh's Systems search option is coming back with a load of nonsense at the moment. Tried Inara but that doesnt go out beyond 20 ly & I cant see a filter value to change.
What are people using in the absence of EDDB?

This has been something I’ve found difficult as well, as someone who has read Milton .

I had seen ‘Fall’ previously, but ignored it historically because I could not attribute a link, this is how I discovered the Underworld and Lost Realms, because I was looking for PL links…

I do presume there ought to be more in game… there is a weird balance in game, for instance, most of the Greek mythological systems all seem to sit tightly on one side of the ‘Yggdrasil tree’.

On the opposite side (Fall to Pandemonium) there seems to be a void! Maybe there are more PL systems in this area?

In PL Lucifer did traverse certain named locations - his journey is very well documented: firstly out of hell there was Sinn and Deaths Bridge / Viaduct; he then set foot on the outer sphere close to the Paradise of Vanity (limbo / paradise of fools); then the waters above / the Jasper Sea, then the Golden Stairs (chain).

Then the great opening between the spheres; then down through the stars and ‘other Eden’s’; down through the constellation Ophiuchus then setting foot on the surface of our sun; then to earth and a particular mountain., where he hid his spear!

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

OK, pondered Paradise Lost over lunch. If Adam & Eve are the toast's vagabonds after their expulsion from Eden then perhaps they're yearning to get back to Eden or Paradise? ...
(musing: perhaps Raxxla a wormhole to transport you to Eden in Alpha Centauri ?? It is a long "personal journey"!)

And I read that in PL Satan considered anywhere without the grace of god to be Hell, so wondered if after the expulsion Adam & Eve are in Hell.. so went from Fall to Paradiso and then Hel.

Paradiso is just two stars, nothing to be found (though cannot check for "comets", but Hel is more interesting. Nothing found but there are plenty of unallocated bodyids!

Hel body search​	​
system address 2175124097379​	​
​	​
​ Body#​	Body​
0​	Hel​
1​	ring​
2​	Hel A Belt Cluster 1​
3​	Hel A Belt Cluster 2​
4​	Hel A Belt Cluster 3​
5​	Hel A Belt Cluster 4​
6​	Hel A Belt Cluster 5​
7​	Hel A Belt Cluster 6​
8​	Hel A Belt Cluster 7​
9​	Hel A Belt Cluster 8​
10​	Hel A Belt Cluster 9​
11​	Hel 1​
12​	Hel 1 A ring​
13​	Hel 1 a​
14​	Hel 1 b​
15​	Hel 1 c​
16​	Hel 1 d​
17​	Hel 1 e​
18​	Hel 1 f​
19​	​
20​	​
21​	Hel 2​
22​	Hel 2 A ring​
23​	Hel 2 a​
24​	Hel 2 b​
25​	​
26​	​
27​	​
28​	​
29​	​
30​	​
31​	barycentre​
32​	Hel 3​
33​	Hel 3 a​
34​	Hel 3 b​
35​	Hel 3 c​
36​	Hel 3 d​
37​	Hel 3 e​
38​	Hel 4​
39​	Hel 5​
40​	Hel 5 A ring​
41​	Hel 5 B ring​
42​	Hel 5 a​
43​	Hel 5 b​
44​	Hel 5 c​
45​	Hel 5 d​
46​	Hel 5 e​
47​	Hel 5 f​
48​	​
49​	Hel 5 g​
50​	Hel 5 g a​
51​	Hel 5 h​
52​	​
53​	​
54​	​
55​	​
56​	​
57​	​
58​	​
59​	​
60​	Jones Orbital​
61​	​

 

[Macros Black]

I thought I'd find the nearest systems within 100ly of Sol and look through them for Paradise Lost etc meaningful names.
I'm handicapped as Ive never read more than a few lines of Milton (poetry of any form is not my thing)... but I find I'm also handicapped because Spansh's Systems search option is coming back with a load of nonsense at the moment. Tried Inara but that doesnt go out beyond 20 ly & I cant see a filter value to change.
What are people using in the absence of EDDB?

edit
mmm, as a fallback I used the body search for any star within 103 ly which worked, but only found Fall after I reduced the solar mass filter from 1.0 to 0.5.

EDSM - Elite Dangerous Star Map

The Galactic Positioning System of Elite: Dangerous at your service.

www.edsm.net

 

[Edelgard von Rhein]

I wonder if the body IDs are really signal sources? Are they the same / same numbers on each visit?

With the Buckyball Racing Club event in Pareco over, I stopped by Terra Mater and mapped the 7th moon and flew around it and also looked, visually, for an 8th moon but saw nothing. I moved on to Asphodel and docked at Saavik's Sanctuary (a couple of nice G3 items in the shop, an Artemis with damage resistance and a P-15 with fast handling, which I left there). Not sure what to look for, really, so I made a flyby of the ringed 8th moon in the Run system, mapped it, and saw nothing visually. I proceeded to check out a few HIP catalogue systems around the lost worlds region looking for more 8th moons but I'm kind of at a loss on how to look for anything.

Eventually, I gave it a break and went back to Sol to convert my Asp Explorer Mneme back to a long range explorer from her A* racing configuration, which meant engineering new shields and a PP. At Marco Qwent's base on Lucifer, I decided to disembark and see what it was like. In his office was a rolling sequence of images on a screen and I thought it looked, well, 'hint-like'. The numbers repeat on other screens so I'm not convinced they mean anything but when I see a map of the Milky Way with a couple of locations marked on it, it does make me wonder - although it could very well just be background flavour, I think one location looks like Colonia (again, could be wrong about that).

Spoiler

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

No, bodyids seem to pertain only to physical bodies orbitong in each system. (Edit:yes, the bodyids are the same on each visit. Theyre part of the StellaForge and are reported in the Journal file, downloading from a nav sat gives you all ( apart from comets etc) in the system).

Signal sources dont have them, though I guess there could be a "permanent signal source" for the omphalos rift device? I always check to see if there is no timeout (not found one yet!!)
Still in Hel, drinking a cold beer (the road is slippery!!) and have checked out 5G and 5GA as "7/8th icy moons". 5G has an orbiting "Green Pines Health Service" installation with two satellites strangely positioned that dont seem to emit any signals. Might be worth sitting by them for an hour to see if one or both transmit on a schedule, but I no longer have the patience with this game! Hve docked at & checked the approach lights and external obverse view of Jones Orbital but nothing found.

ALso dropped out honked and visual search of 5F since there is a vacant bodyid between 5F & 5G....nothing found! but if its a comet youve got to be withing 50km to stand a chance

 

[simulacrae]

Ok i give- whats this “system address” number?

How are you seeing them? They part of the log data that is being shared ?

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Ok i give- whats this “system address” number?

How are you seeing them? They part of the log data that is being shared ?

The system address is given in EDSM if you look up a system. E.g. look up Hel and you’ll see:
Hel [#2175124097379].
It’s also reported in the Journal file.