why? are you still here on EDO forums, i fought you retired and went to SC or is it SF now! i not buying it for you!
Do you want ED 2 or an Expansion?
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Another difference is that I'm still playing the game.
I don't think I said that I hate them, I just said that I'd draw a breath of relief if the topic of ship interiors was put away like the IMO equally tedious open/pg/solo topic. It seems clear to me that Frontier stated no ship interiors at the moment, so IMO it gets tedious to have the subject brought up again and again. However seeing the topic of this thread, it's certainly pertinent to the discussion unlike many of the other threads.
Well I was accused of being a white knight on a couple of occasions, and I suppose that I have to admit that being offended by the never ending doom spread by some and wanting to defend a game I like actually makes me a white knight.
Sure I take a certain pleasure in arguing with you lot, but I'd really prefer if the discussion was on a slightly higher level than Frontier bad, lazy devs, ship interiors when, the share price has tanked, game is dedd, etc, etc, ad nauseam.
To be honest I've considered writing a farewell letter, but to the forum and not to the game. The biggest reason I haven't is that I could never keep it.. What would I do while in supercruise if not trolling the forum...
BTW, what happened to discussing the post and not the poster?
Somebody should have told David Braben this when he made that infamous kickstarter video. Seriously, I agree with you (at least for now, as who knows what the future may bring with better silicon coupled with AI), but many people tend to reply to that with "We're not asking for anything that wasn't promised in the beginning!"
I am actually amazed that Horizons was able to achieve what it did, with a planet starting off a a spec in the stars, slowly growing in size as you approach, with details of craters and valleys and other features smoothly resolving, all the way down to the surface of that planet, with individual rocks and geological features, all at amazing framerates on older hardware. The programming behind that blows my mind to this day. I would have said that "is not possible at all" until I saw it in action.
But yeah, as amazing as Horizons is, the jump from airless empty planets to earth-like worlds with sprawling cities and life is one that I just don't see being achievable anytime soon. Things like ship interiors, on the other hand...
The topic of this thread is who would be interested in Elite Dangerous 2.0, which nobody is playing right now. Since I would indeed be interested in ED 2.0, then my participation in this thread is both logical and permissible. Now if you feel the thread itself does not belong in the forum, well that's a different issue.Another difference is that I'm still playing the game.
Fair enough, I'll leave you alone. As the kids say, "My bad!" (sorry, mods). I'll go back to discussing the various topics that interest me (which includes ship interiors).BTW, what happened to discussing the post and not the poster?
Take care, Jack!
It's ok, I've pulled your leg a few time myself in the past!
Wow in another couple of years I will be in the top 0.1% of players.
I have to wait a year longer, but as I'm ancient now, I may never make it!
Even that would require a full rework of the game, which is currently setup and balanced around the idea of spaceships being completely functional with just one person sat in the cockpit. That's both very unrealistic and not really possible to do with paid DLC (unless we got actual NPC crewmates to fill in the gaps for those without the DLC, probably just leaving them with a neutered version of the "full" game). Not to mention other basic errors in scaling and whatnot. Otherwise, you're stuck with the minimal implementation of ship interiors where it's basically just eye candy attached to the actual ship in the cockpit.
I'm reminded of a certain quote from a David Braben about how they were building the game from the ground up to support ship interiors in the future, but evidently his statements are not to be trusted as others have already said.
Not quite.
Dual Universe is a persistent MMO environment with spaceships flown in a reasonably realistic scale solar system (and pretty much every feature from the "I wish ED had that" threads besides - base-building, more types of ship, ship interiors, crafting, player economy, client-server architecture, outsourced commercial engine, thicker atmosphere landings, open-only, you name it it's probably got it ... so long as it isn't a feature ED already has). It certainly hasn't been a runaway success since it released a year ago ... but it's still there, for now.
If you take out MMO-style multiplayer as a requirement (which I think is fair - ED makes the multiplayer side so optional already) then the X series also provides an alternative - with again, a different focus to ED or SC or NMS or KSP, of course.
Your general point that there aren't many and they all focus on very different interpretations of "spaceship flying game" is certainly true, obviously, no disagreement there.
Oh, of course. Optimism about what's possible (or desirable) goes beyond just the players - I'm sure there's plenty of less public stories from elsewhere in the industry about big initial ideas that got scaled down a lot by release time. And people need to at least try to make the big ideas work because sometimes they do, but that's not the same as marketing on that basis.
In fairness to Frontier, they've learned a lot about overpromising in the last ten years and stopped doing it. So the complaint now is that there's not enough hype - where's the comforting marketing about what's endlessly around the next corner?
Alternate Reality game... In 6 episodes, got to 2, the starter area and a small expansion...
Such is life, it doesn't always follow the 'promises'
Both Dual Universe and Starbase were huge disappointments. They are perfect examples of:
I really wanted those games to be what they promoted themselves as. Their vision was captivating, but the execution is "clunky" if not outright broken. Though even before they released, I had my doubts that they could pull off everything they were promising, because the scale was just "too big" to be technically feasible.
It does prove your bigger point of the extreme difficulty to make an "everything" game. I'm one of the few who criticize Odyssey for taking Elite in this direction, diluting the core gameplay of flying spaceships and adding unnecessary complexity and subsequent performance degradation, bugs, etc. in an attempt to make Elite more of an "everything" game rather than a "fly your spaceship" game. If there is an ED 2.0, I hope it returns to that core tenant and leaves EDO as a separate game for those who it.
You also have to keep in mind that Hello Games are a small, privately owned, dev studio.
The owner can do whatever they want with their money. No pressure from investors or regulations like it happens for a PLC.
And i'd say, they got a lot of money from the initial sale of the game to keep funded their small dev team for many years.
Kudos to them for not running with the money after the initial launch of the game, but it's really so much easier to fund a 10-20 man team than what FDev has to deal with - that is putting bread on the table for 800 people while also being a PLC and being subjected to a rather stiff set of regulations
What I would like is for FDev to develop what Braben's videos promised in the ED Kickstarter. But that's just not going to happen, whichever way they go. If FDev do develop ED2 and it contains any of Braben's vapourware, they would have to either provide ED2 and its updates FOC to everyone who backed ED's Kickstarter, or face a class-action lawsuit.
So ISTM the Elite franchise has really run its course. ED updates are FDev's only route to market with this. However, for me, the fundamental problems with ED are the tediously-grindy, more-of-the-same nature. This likely wouldn't be solved either way by FDev.
I agree with the poster you're mocking. FDev didn't create the original Elite, and with ED they developed a game that really needed 3rd-party tools which any futuristic ship would have had in its on-board computers, and therefore should have been built into the game.
FDev management showed contempt for their own customers, which doesn't engender brand-loyalty. Their own CEO sold promises they couldn't deliver. I am extremely avoidant about buying anything that FDev produce, because of how they behaved toward ED customers. This has nothing to do with ED per-se, it's about the culture of the company behind it.
The ED killer is Frontier. Such an amazing lineup of mediocre gameplay updates I have never seen before. The only one I actually really liked is Ody, and that tanked the game because they couldn't make it run well.
That's truth right there, the only ones that can bring them down are themselves. He we are on update 16 of the expansion with space legs, and the focus is still on ship combat. We have a bit of onfoot gameplay now, but it's still pretty focused on ships. Will the 17th update change that? When will they turn their attention to something different to add more variety to gameplay again? I'd say U17 and U18 are both going to continue to be Thargoid focused...after that will they look at other areas people find enjoyable?
I'd love it if it did, although the pessimist in me thinks that there will be no exciting EDO exclusive content, which is sad.
Ofc it is focused on ships, the game is about flying ships. Feet are an extra, not the main focus of the game
Even when Horizons launched and it added planetary ladings, the focus was still on ships.
Given that's only about 25,000 people, who were mostly fairly old, and ED2 would be at least 15 years from now if it did contain all those features, based on the time-to-develop of similar games with those features and in the knowledge that they haven't already started ... giving a free copy to however few are still alive and contactable at that point might be considered an acceptable marketing expense.
But this isn't a plausible outcome if they don't.
There are lots of reasons for that, but a straightforward one is that under the Limitation Act 1980, in the UK claims for breach of contract must be brought within six years of the breach, the Kickstarter was 11 years ago, and the delivery date for the relevant contracted items was approximately nine years ago.
Plus I don't think you can do a class action lawsuit in the small claims court.
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