The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Han_Zen]

No, don't think Luna is Raxxla, but from the Toast Luna might be the first step on the Journey....

If there is a journey, it has to be connected to game mechanics. Becoming Elite and obtaining permits are probably the personal steps that MB once mentioned.
I think it's very unlikely that the game has a series of invisible check-points that has to be visited in the right order, to open something.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

If there is a journey, it has to be connected to game mechanics. Becoming Elite and obtaining permits are probably the personal steps that MB once mentioned.
I think it's very unlikely that the game has a series of invisible check-points that has to be visited in the right order, to open something.

"Personal journey" could also a a discovery that leads you back to the real path. A reminder that even in the first game you start in a backwater system named Lave that should have had absolutely nothing of importance to offer the Universe until it did...

"Obfuscated on the outer rim.."

 

[Han_Zen]

Well, if memory is correct one of the unregistered comms that ultimately lead to first "Thargoid" crash orbits The Moon. I believe the other was near Jupiter. I put it as "Thargoid" because it is the human name for that species based on a holo-vid from Lave. THARG was the means by which the "Lavian Phoenix Greeting Protocol" was decoded from the beginning of "Lave: Revolution". That said, it doubtful that "Thargoids" are actually called "Thargoids" by themselves. Especially once you add in the annoying detail that Lave was a dictatorship in the first game which should put it well after the departure of said "Thargoids" in 3151 (we are talking 3174 to December 31st, 3199). Just saying, but maybe Robert Holdstock's mention of Oresrians that happen to look like "Thargoids" is an often overlooked important detail.

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It literally says in the History of Lave beacon text that Lave has been a dictatorship from before the fall of the Galactic Cooperative.

GalCop fell in 3174. Walden became the new dictator in 3174. All this is well after the first thargoid war 3125-3151. The first game is set during the first thargoid war.

 

[Frankymole]

2001 Space Odyssey is remembered in the ED docking music (as it was in Elite 1). IIRC in 2001SO the first monolith landed on Earth and affected primitive hominids in pre-history (Guardian times?). A second monolith was found (during 20th Century space exploration) in a magnetic anomaly buried on Luna & when excavated sent a signal to the final monolith in Jupiter orbit (in the book, but changed in film).

Saturn originally in the book, but they couldn't do the rings properly so changed it for the film. Then the 2010: Odyssey Two sequel book made it Jupiter, too, I think.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

It literally says in the History of Lave beacon text that Lave has been a dictatorship from before the fall of the Galactic Cooperative.

GalCop fell in 3174. Walden became the new dictator in 3174. All this is well after the first thargoid war 3125-3151. The first game is set during the first thargoid war.

Then find me a dictator other than Dr. Hans Walden. You want to claim propaganda as evidence, the onus is on you to find them. Both Old Worlds Coalition and GalCop were unsurprisingly (trade) cooperatives. Additionally, the fall of Galactic Cooperative happened in August 19, 3174 when Walden came to power. The first game is after the fall of the Galactic Cooperative (affectionately shortened to GalCop). Not my problem. Have fun dealing with propaganda.

Galactic Cooperative

The Galactic Cooperative of Worlds (aka GalCop), was an interstellar superpower that arose in the Old Worlds of the Core Systems in 2696. Its capital was situated in Lave. As a trade organisation, it was mainly concerned with space and station-based activities.[1] It did not partake in planetary...

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[Han_Zen]

Then find me a dictator other than Dr. Hans Walden. You want to claim propaganda as evidence, the onus is on you to find them. Both Old Worlds Coalition and GalCop were unsurprisingly (trade) cooperatives. Additionally, the fall of Galactic Cooperative happened in August 19, 3174 when Walden came to power. The first game is after the fall of the Galactic Cooperative (affectionately shortened to GalCop). Not my problem. Have fun dealing with propaganda.

Galactic Cooperative

The Galactic Cooperative of Worlds (aka GalCop), was an interstellar superpower that arose in the Old Worlds of the Core Systems in 2696. Its capital was situated in Lave. As a trade organisation, it was mainly concerned with space and station-based activities.[1] It did not partake in planetary...

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There are 32 dictatorships in each galaxy, in Elite. None of the dictators are named. Why should you need a name for the one in Lave?
The tourist beacon says Lave was a dictatorship before 3174.

In 3170, before Walden came to power, Galcop was down to 11 member systems. In Elite there are 2048.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

This is why my operating mantra is a Terry Pratchett quote on darkness. Sometimes it really is better to just decide this isn't relevant and move onwards.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

There are 32 dictatorships in each galaxy, in Elite. None of the dictators are named. Why should you need a name for the one in Lave?
The tourist beacon says Lave was a dictatorship before 3174.

In 3170, before Walden came to power, Galcop was down to 11 member systems. In Elite there are 2048.

That's your problem, not mine. First game appears to happen after the collapse of the trade organization Galactic Cooperative when Walden came to power. As such, it isn't exactly relevant who was in power there. Fortunately, both GCS Saravasti and Azimuth Biotech's records seem consistent that Thargoids leave in 3151 so at least we don't have a debate on facts. It does, however, leave a few unanswered questions about the non-human ships observed after August 19, 3174. I am perfectly fine with the state of affairs as-is because at least explains other rumors at the time such as Oresrians.

On it's face: this seems to suggest Raxxla does exist and Jason Ryder may well have been killed to keep it a secret.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

There are 32 dictatorships in each galaxy, in Elite.

Except, due to oddities of the random generation, galaxy 4 - that has 64 each democracies, communists, multigovs and anarchies ... and no corporates, confederacies, dictatorships and feudals.

(Having played around sticking non-canon galaxy seeds into the generator from time to time, in some ways the impressive bit is that Bell and Braben managed to find a cyclic set of eight which mostly did have a reasonable distribution of governments, mostly universal connectivity, and no other major weirdness)

First game appears to happen after the collapse of the trade organization Galactic Cooperative

Assuming you take anything in the first game's manual as definitive [1], the first game definitely takes place before the collapse of Galcop, and likely even before the possibility that it was weakening to the point of collapse was acknowledged.

The exact date wasn't stated at the time - it must be in or after 3110 AD, because that's the Inservice date on the Mamba; since it contains hostile Thargoids it must in the Elite Dangerous timeline be in or before 3151 AD.


[1] Comparing the published manual with Ian Bell's draft notes, the Galactic Cooperative (as opposed to Bell's more generic "Galactic Government") appears to be a Holdstock addition.

 

[Han_Zen]

Except, due to oddities of the random generation, galaxy 4 - that has 64 each democracies, communists, multigovs and anarchies ... and no corporates, confederacies, dictatorships and feudals.

(Having played around sticking non-canon galaxy seeds into the generator from time to time, in some ways the impressive bit is that Bell and Braben managed to find a cyclic set of eight which mostly did have a reasonable distribution of governments, mostly universal connectivity, and no other major weirdness)


Assuming you take anything in the first game's manual as definitive [1], the first game definitely takes place before the collapse of Galcop, and likely even before the possibility that it was weakening to the point of collapse was acknowledged.

The exact date wasn't stated at the time - it must be in or after 3110 AD, because that's the Inservice date on the Mamba; since it contains hostile Thargoids it must in the Elite Dangerous timeline be in or before 3151 AD.


[1] Comparing the published manual with Ian Bell's draft notes, the Galactic Cooperative (as opposed to Bell's more generic "Galactic Government") appears to be a Holdstock addition.

I did not remember the oddity of galaxy 4

The book Imprint that came with Elite plus, has more details on the Galactic Co-operative of worlds: https://www.dream-ware.co.uk/elite/books/imprint/

It seem to be sett in the later stages of the thargoid war, with Galcop under pressure from both thargoids and human factions. Not a very good story, but it has some interesting parts.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

{redacted due to errors}

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Scratch the above post.

We might be able to say post-3100 since Saud Kruger buys Astrogator in 3270. It is therefore possible Astrogator's Astrogation Console got installed everywhere but then the company collapsed following Highliner Antares. So, actually First Thargoid War is a possibility but there is still a great deal of cover-up involving hyperspace technologies and who made them. I still maintain there wouldn't be cruise ships from Saud Kruger or Narwhal Liners until Starship One without a lot of cover up of hyperspace technologies.

As much as I would love to make it unambiguous for the movement, I cannot do it cleanly enough to get back to full clarity (in other words, it is unclear if the other dictators is propaganda or the truth). This means it is impossible to tell which species without further revelation in the story.

 

[Emperor]

Edit: Additional thought, if they did discover Tharg stuff in a nebula early on they may have then searched other nebula for more stuff to nick?

I wonder when they first started finding the Thargoid tech... I guess the sensor, probe and link could have been like us.... Found those first and then the Thargoids came back and they started processing tissue samples..... Like us... I wonder if they now ask for the newer variants or other samples?

 

[CMDR Davanix]

Saturn originally in the book, but they couldn't do the rings properly so changed it for the film. Then the 2010: Odyssey Two sequel book made it Jupiter, too, I think.

hmmm Saturns rings arnt complete in Elite either....is this a homage, easter egg or clue??

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

hmmm Saturns rings arnt complete in Elite either....is this a homage, easter egg or clue??

Titan City and Columbus stations in Sol are part of the Frontier gazetteer...

Space stations Columbus and Titan City

Columbus orbits Io around Jupiter and Titan City orbits Titan around Saturn. Both are of historical interest only in that they used to be fabulous holiday resorts when they were the most distant settlements. Unfortunately with easier travel they changed from very pleasant venues to the vacation destinations of the masses. The quiet atmosphere has been shattered by loud music intended to confince you that a good time is being had by all. It blares forth from gift boutiques selling such items as a bottle of Genuine Red Spot Gas and Saturn Ring Rock jewellery.

Interesting side note: Columbus and Galileo are the two Ocellus in Sol. Galileo, at least, is a station Ocellus (currently the sole example). I have to confirm if Columbus is a station, too. Titan City is a garden-variety refinery station.

Personal thoughts on what to do with this: the phrase ".. historical interest only in that they used to be fabulous holiday resorts when they were the most distant settlements", suggests that the more interesting passenger missions are further out. That said, Titan City is still the furthest starport in Sol. Go there. The other thing, Holdstock and Malcolm Edwards book "Tour of Universe" has a ship that very much resembles what we are told a Narwhal Liner would have resembled (it is a modified Beluga). Take that to Titan City and maybe it triggers crazy passenger missions (local reputation requirements may apply). The Federation purchases two of these in 3296 despite the Antares Incident in 3251. It is likely also important, that every ship uses Saud Kruger's Astrogation Console.

Narwhal Liner

The Narwhal Liner is a ship manufactured by Saud Kruger. It is a variant of the Beluga Liner. In 3296, two customised Narwhals were purchased by the Federation to serve in the capacity of Starship One, the Federal President's personal transport. On February 28, 3302, eight months after the...

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[Louis Calvert]

hmmm Saturns rings arnt complete in Elite either....is this a homage, easter egg or clue??

Many of us have spent countless hours investigating Saturn and all its moons specifically because it is so strange in Elite, and it could relate to quite a lot of the Raxxla hunt in various ways. My own investigations were into the moons.

The short answer is no-one has ever found anything yet. But don't let that stop you from looking, you never know

 

[Frankymole]

hmmm Saturns rings arnt complete in Elite either....is this a homage, easter egg or clue??

My guess would be... No.

 

[Rochester]

I don’t recall entirely, but as part of another Cmdrs investigation into Sol, I did get into a Support questioning, it went up to a Dev in the end. The purpose was to try and establish how Sol was put together in relation to the hexagon of Saturn, and I gave various examples where Sol was very detailed, but absent in others.

The general consensus was (from memory) that Sol was not intended to be scientifically accurate due to time limitations.

Based on this assessment I don’t believe we should look too deeply into how ED looks, what is / isn’t in game.

It’s very evident there is a great deal in game we can’t see, because either it’s broken or unfinished since launch.

 

[Bushido Brown]

Anyone want to have the honour of first Raxxla claim?

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/17xcfq1

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/17xcfq1/16000_ly_from_the_bubble_exploring_a_untrodden/

 

[Shadowsnog]

Anyone want to have the honour of first Raxxla claim?

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/17xcfq1

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/17xcfq1/16000_ly_from_the_bubble_exploring_a_untrodden/

This is not the first randomly appearing permit i saw in the past week. My guess is something went wonky with some permits. See disappearance of the universal 22460 permit...