Given the apparent connection to asymptotic giant branch stars of both Thargoids and Guardians (and the very real possibility they were fully developed technologically when humans were in caves), the assumption is they probably have had several homes and it rotates. This, though, might be the historical origin point. What you need to understand is this: this particular stellar evolution pathway cycles through main sequence several times before the star dies. Additionally, if these species started out before us it is entirely possible they evolved in a system with a massive star at the core of system - possibly much larger than 8 solar masses (perhaps a population II star). The other option is a very stable mid-mass M to G class which are much more stable. Humanity, had the benefit of a likely 3rd generation star (population I star). Asymptotic giant branch would necessitate moves once star gets hotter, bigger, or enters a period of instability.Good question!
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I never actually knew that Gamma Velorum was the centre of the Regor Sector, that's cool
I have some questions:
1. Do we assume this is the Guardian home system, since it's a famous named star in the middle of the Regor Sector?
If so:
2. How could Guardians evolve in that system? The stars are too young from what I can tell??
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That star is very, very real. It's LAWD 26 per SIMBAD and in-game (listed GJ 293). In-game the system is called LAWD 26 but the Wolf-rayet is Gliese 293 B. The reason it isn't visible in daylight is most emissions are ultraviolet instead of the visible light spectrum.
From Wikipedia on Wolf-Rayets:
All Wolf–Rayet stars are highly luminous objects due to their high temperatures—thousands of times the bolometric luminosity of the Sun (L☉) for the CSPNe, hundreds of thousands L☉ for the population I WR stars, to over a million L☉ for the WNh stars—although not exceptionally bright visually since most of their radiation output is in the ultraviolet.
The naked-eye stars Gamma Velorum and Theta Muscae, as well as one of the most massive known stars, R136a1 in 30 Doradus, are all Wolf–Rayet stars.
Link to Gliese 293 B in EDSM:
EDSM - Elite Dangerous Star Map
The Galactic Positioning System of Elite: Dangerous at your service.
www.edsm.net
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Just because you cannot see it, doesn't make it fictional. A gentle reminder...
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I've been saying this for years! Why has ED put a Wolf Rayet in LAWD26? It is a huge astronomical anomaly in a game for which DB professed accuracy. If it were true then at only 20 odd ly from Sol it would be visible during the day from Earth (in fact Earth would probably not have a night! Don't forget WR are massive stars & Regor is visible 1000+ly from Sol). Has anyone asked FD why it exists in-game??
The only reason I could come up with is that it points to the Guardian storyline since they did seem to like systems near WR stars, so is it another hint that Guardians visited/inhabited the human bubble in ancient times? (The first hint is the existence of the Alien Artefact excavated on Mars....that could have been left by Thargoids, except goid technology is biologically based and we have found no barnacles in the bubble).
Yep, and extending from the Guardian connection - one theory could be that Guardians knew about humanity in its primordial stages and left the artifact as a final hope that another species might overcome what they couldn't. Maybe Raxxla was an unfinished Guardian project and they hoped humanity could advance far enough to finish the job. Perhaps this could also explain the activity of Thargoids - if they know humans can be a Guardian-level threat courtesy of the Salvation event, then it would make sense why they seem to be preparing for something and ramping up hostility.
Mmm
Maybe Raxxla was the Guardian name for humanity??
Ah, solved it!
DB - l claim my (90% cocoa) chocolate Easter Egg and knitted space barnacle beanie prize!!!
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Seeing as the Mars relic was small enough to fit in a human’s hand then it’s obviously: portable; convenient; easy to hold or compact. This may be intended or by accident (broken pieces).
The relic is by Brookes admission from the Dev diaries a narrative construct. At that point in time objects could not be smaller than a cargo pod.
But what fits into a cargo pod….
The relic is by Brookes admission from the Dev diaries a narrative construct. At that point in time objects could not be smaller than a cargo pod.
But what fits into a cargo pod….
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A lot of the semi-hand-placed systems are a bit weird once you get past the specific hand-placed elements.
There's the suppression cross (not supposed to be a cross) in place which normally stops ultra-high mass stars showing up in visible range of Sol.
I suspect the answer is something along the lines of:
- the suppression cross works by capping the total mass of a system
- obviously, the suppression cross can't be applied to hand-edited systems as it would then destroy Betelgeuse
- whatever procedural system LAWD 26 was overridden to be would have been an ultra-high-mass one
- the primary white dwarf doesn't take up enough of that mass
- so the Stellar Forge goes "what have I got that's really heavy?" and adds a WR secondary to use up the spare mass (but it inherits the ancient system age from the primary WD, of course)
...and as a more general rule, semi-hand-placement is going to edit the primary star mass away from what the Stellar Forge wanted, so lead to odd distributions of objects in the rest of the system. The spare black hole at Maia or the many spare ones in the NGC 7822 cluster, the Helium Gas Giants in the bubble, the highest G no atmosphere planet (by a massive margin) is in a HIP system, etc.
And there's 20,000 inhabited bubble systems plus another few million uninhabited ones within (intended) suppression range of Sol, so
- little chance of a stray WR being discovered unless they specifically think to run "checks for odd secondary objects", which if no-one happened to visit LAWD 26 in testing they might not
- by the time the mistake is discovered by players it's far too late to fix because it'll invalidate the contents of a substantial number of other bubble and near-bubble systems too
Do you need some / all of these (or something else SAP 8, trinkets, etc) to jump to Guardian systems... I agree unable to jump sounds like something is missing or not working....the other two are forbidden?
And could any human/guardian tech like the fsd booster be part of making it work...
Just a thought
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Because maybe it's a real star.
We already covered that and why Earth's sky aren't bright as day all the time...
The Quest To Find Raxxla
Good question! I never actually knew that Gamma Velorum was the centre of the Regor Sector, that's cool :) I have some questions: 1. Do we assume this is the Guardian home system, since it's a famous named star in the middle of the Regor Sector? If so: 2. How could Guardians evolve in...
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Agreed, besides anything else Gamma Velorum (and all the stars in that system) is far, far too young to have evolved the Guardians.
The lore seems to suggest they evolved on a (relatively) low G ELW orbiting a bright (hot) star - but the homeworld is/was in 'our' goldilocks zone since they're basically human in terms of biological needs. At some point there was a 'cosmic event', a 'dimming of the sun', that reduced global temperatures and forced a massive change in Guardian society (building permanent dwellings to shelter from the cold, which led to agriculture, etc.). Its unclear if that event was permanent, but it must have lasted long enough to cause the Guardians to sustain this cultural change for it to become 'the normal'
I recently suggested that maybe the Regor sector isn't the Guardians origin point, but more like a Colonia-style expansion (because it's too small). If they like hot stars, then colonising Gamma Velorum (assuming it has a terraformable world) might make sense, but...
The main reason I'm interested in this is that I have speculated in the past that the Guardians used the "Omphalos Rift" to colonise our galaxy. This would adequately explain why they're apparently limited to a relatively small region of the galaxy despite their advanced technology, superior FTL, population pressures, long life, and 8,000 years of spacefaring before their end. Maybe Wolf-Rayet stars are important to the Omphalos Rift, not specifically to Guardians...
I would also really like to know if anyone has asked Fdev why it's there, is it a bug, or something more? I can't believe no-one has asked?
No, the star Gliese 293 is a White Dwarf star, which is the A component of the system in ED. Source 1, Source 2. We're talking about the hecking massive Wolf-Rayet star that's the B component in the system, which absolutely doesn't exist IRL.
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I was surprised as well, and I put this question to Support this morning. They are gonna ask the dev team next week, so I'll let y'all know.
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Okay, yeah now I am confused. The SIMBAD entry clearly is referecing the white dwarf (mentioned spectral-class DA9). So, yeah what gives FDev?
"Not exceptionally bright visually" is a relative term. Not exceptionally bright visually for something thousands of times more luminous in total emission output than the sun? Sure. Still really bright compared with most stars.
So: Gamma Velorum, distance 1000+ LY, apparent magnitude 1.83 in the visible spectrum (even if it is brighter in ultraviolet). Fairly bright as night sky stars go.
Hypothetical Gliese 293 B, distance 26 LY, isn't going to be dimmer visually than Gamma Velorum - it's 40 times closer so by inverse-square law it would be around 1600 times as bright as Gamma Velorum is ... if it existed.
... so, 5 magnitude steps is 100x brightness difference, so 1600x brightness difference on a log scale would be 8 magnitude steps, so the apparent visual spectrum magnitude of a Wolf Rayet at 26 LY would be -6 to -7. That's significantly brighter than Venus, even before you get into it being even brighter in UV. We'd have noticed. And also panicked about the "supernova close enough to completely irradiate the biosphere" potential.
[1] Which, yes, for a star that massive is relatively low as a visual spectrum thing: Beteleguse is -5, Rigel is -8, Polaris is -3 but relatively small for a supergiant, Antares is -5 (on average). But you'd still notice one next door.
I just checked and the mysterious Wolf-rayet in LAWD 26 is not an apparent reference to some work of science fiction? So, why is it there? Yes, I realized I misread SIMBAD.
As far as "stars mysteriously close to Earth" go, it's probably just a stellar forge anomaly from the need to compromise between "accurate" and "fast".
Duamta (F-class at 9.88 LY) is another example that's been spotted a few times over the years, and Yin Sector CL-Y d127 (9.86 LY) is even more obviously fictional.
Duamta (F-class at 9.88 LY) is another example that's been spotted a few times over the years, and Yin Sector CL-Y d127 (9.86 LY) is even more obviously fictional.
Best my squad could get from them was "there's a Regor permit in our system but we cannot give further info about this permit". If you guys feel like asking to see if they give more bits i'd love to know further answers.
A planet's temperature is not dictated by its star's temperature but mostly by its proximity to the star and its atmosphere. You can have a really hot habitable planet orbiting closely to a brown dwarf and a really cold orbiting a WR from a big distance.
And by the way, we cannot overlook that both systems have other stars:
So Guardians didn't exactly need to live under a WR. Most guardian structures are near brown dwarfs just like the one in Gamma Velorum and, although not as often, K-type stars like the ones in Hen 2-333. We really can't tell until we look at the system.
Still, Gamma Velorum not being their home world is an interesting theory. A few questions should be answered though, why would they go that way? Why create so many structures and expand their FTL network in the vicinity of GV? The other guardian "bubbles" are much smaller and dont contain structures just ruins. Because of the thargoid war? If so there's no other known evidence to support the conflict other than Trapezium and Wregoe BUY-2 sites.
We've tried a ship fitted with all guardian modules without success and iirc with guardian items on the cargo hold too, but i'd need to confirm that. Our theory is that this region has some kind of repulsive field to thargoid-like hyperspace tech, which is a dead end since we cannot use other type of drives in the game.
Trinkets of Hidden Fortune, perhaps? Also, LHS 3447 (one of the start systems) has a rare good - Galactic Travel Guide. There is the Mysterious Idol, tok. Though, generally I consider anything requiring actual effort to obtain is likely to more valuable. The Revised Catholic Mission for all practical purposes runs the Federation (based out of Aymiay, Beta Hydri, and Mars). Assume that is somehow important. If we secretly made peace with a group of the aliens, the Federation and Alliance are high up on the list of groups that may have more of an idea of what transpired.
AHA! I see what's happened! From what I know, the real Gamma Velorum doesn't have a brown dwarf in it. It's Wolf-Rayet and blue Supergiant. I hadn't considered that the ED version would be different! - my mistake!
The real Gamma Velorum is too young (by billions of years) to have any complex life evolved there - hence, simply can't be the Guardian home system. The ED version with the Brown Dwarf.... well that changes things a lot!!
That raises more questions. From what I can see Gamma Velorum's stellar composition should have been known before ED was made? So... Is it a bug in the stellar forge? (In which case, did they place the Guardians there based on a bug?!) or... is the difference between 'real' and 'game' a deliberate change?! ... or something else?
What's going on??