Winter 2023 DLC Speculation

Most of those collision issues should be manageable by using the controll method and adding the path after terraforming but before building fences or faculities and you should be good to go
I do manage to get what I want eventually with all of it except water and the auto correct on the paths is still vile.

also what exactly does the control method mean.
I want to say 'um acktually' but then I do realise not everyone has been fighting with the paths for 6 years straight to finally bypass all these issues.
more to the point that it needs to be better explained to beginners.
 
Nobody talking about an India pack? Is that just because it’s a seasonality thing to expect a cold climate DLC?

I’ve said it before, but an India pack would be so diverse.
  • blackbuck
  • fishing cat/Indian leopard
  • nilgai/gaur
  • sloth bear
  • grey langur
  • painted stork/green peafowl
  • Barasingha deer/chital
  • greater hornbill walkthrough (I’m an optimist)/jungle fowl
You’d get a bear, a cat, a primate, a deer, a couple of antelope, a habitat bird, and the first flying bird. Who wouldn’t buy it!?
 
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Nobody talking about an India pack? Is that just because it’s a seasonality thing to expect a cold climate DLC?

I’ve said it before, but an India pack would be so diverse.
  • blackbuck
  • fishing cat/Indian leopard
  • nilgai/gaur
  • sloth bear
  • grey langur
  • painted stork/green peafowl
  • Barasingha deer/chital
  • greater hornbill walkthrough (I’m an optimist)/jungle fowl
You’d get a bear, a cat, a primate, a deer, a couple of antelope, a habitat bird, and the first flying bird. Who wouldn’t buy it!?
That's a killer pack right there. Painted stork over green peafowl every day though.
 
Nobody talking about an India pack? Is that just because it’s a seasonality thing to expect a cold climate DLC?

I’ve said it before, but an India pack would be so diverse.
  • blackbuck
  • fishing cat
  • nilgai
  • sloth bear
  • grey langur
  • painted stork
  • gaur
  • greater hornbill walkthrough (I’m an optimist)
Alternatives: Indian leopard, barasingha deer, chital, green peafowl, jungle fowl (one for you farm pack people).
I would take this. I wouldn’t be overly excited by it cause other than the blackbuck and hornbill none of the others really get my attention. But I wouldn’t hate it either, I know some want more India representation.

I’m pretty lenient in what this next pack is, the only one I would hate dead serious would be a tundra pack. Walrus, Musk Ox, another Penguin, Mountain Goat, Stoat, Puffin don’t do anything for me whatsoever. Other than the Wolverine and the Arctic Hare, every animal I’ve seen wanted for a tundra pack doesn’t get me excited at all. I would no joke build for Wolverine and the hare and just say “done with this pack, back to other species” cause I don’t find them useful at all. And Im honestly scared cause this pack actually has a decent chance of happening, praying to the gods this one doesn’t come true.
 
Animal Packs are also pointless to those who only play to build.

I doubt a Petting Zoo/Farm Pack would scare away a bigger group than that.
This is a very good point. And I'd take it a step further and even go so far as to say that the scenery items we would be likely to get with a pack like this would be more useful to players across the board (in the same way that the Aquatic Pack was) while introducing new mechanics alongside the update. I think it would do very well, though yeah it may put some folks off...

I don't really see it happening but not because it wouldn't sell well! Haha.
I'd be cautious about pinning down a specific day right now. We may get the announcement 11 days from now, but it could also be anywhere from Nov 27th (if the pack is very early on the 5th, though unlikely I think) to December 12 (if the pack is released on the 19th and is a scenery pack). I can't see a new update/feature/pack announcement before Nov. 27th and after Dec.12th But yeah, anywhere from a little over a week to a little more than 3 weeks.
Yep I know, but it’s most probable for the 12th. They need around 10 days between launch and announcement assuming it’s an animal pack. Looking at the calendar, if the pack comes on the 12th we get an announcement on the 30th or 1st, meanwhile if it’s the 19th as the launch we’ll see a an announcement of the 7th or 8th.

19th seems too late though, cause it’s 6 days away from Christmas which doesn’t give the buyer a lot time to purchase.
I think the specific day for a hint/tease is tricky to pinpoint but I do feel pretty confident saying the pack will be dropping the 12th and not the 19th. The 19th is just too close and it would be pretty difficult to get a patch/update fix out ahead of that time off. The 12th would give them a solid week to do that if it's needed.

That said, I do think an announcement on the 30th or the 1st would be very likely. Could be earlier but I'd doubt it (unless the update provides a bunch of bangin' new features that could be showcased alongside the animals).
Secondly, the scaling. Builders love the idea of being able to scale virtually any scenery object in game to make complex builds without the need for lots of separate building pieces. The main issues is the gargantuan task of introducing a system for over 5000 very diverse scenery pieces, and how exactly to deal with the existing multi size pieces, advertised scenery pieces in dlc updates, store pages will be advertising false information if the multi sizes are removed, if not then scaling renders these different sizes useless.
I think the "false advertising" bit is a non-issue. Would anybody really care? There's still value in the older pieces (e.g., it's quicker to pull the a 2m piece than it would be to grab a 4m piece and re-size it) and they wouldn't remove them because that would mess up older builds. I just don't see people getting upset that Frontier made the existing pieces more versatile so they might use a certain piece less.

Beyond that, I don't think they would need to update every single item to make it function. Though that might also depend upon how they implement it (e.g., scaling 1:1 would be easier to implement than, say, doing it the way that PK does it where you click and drag along axes; this ties to the point above too, where there would be value in keeping the smaller pieces).

Not wanting it or thinking Frontier won't do it for one reason or another is one thing but... It can be done. And I'd wager it's not quite as burdensome as we'd tend to think. Though playtesting it would be a pain. Regardless? It's a feasibility.
Especially scaling. Now instead of having to do base game items, they now have to do all the DLC scenery pieces and signs/statues that come with animal packs. I guess foliage could be left alone without the scaling but it would be odd to have it for many things and not that.

Honestly what might could work on scaling at this point is just rescaling the various art shapes - the ones that have several size options already, just make them scalable. That may be few enough it would not be too difficult a task. Those, and the letters/numbers too.
See above. But I've really felt like scaling is more of a "toward end-of-support" feature because it makes everything more versatile. It cracks open all of the pieces they've added to the game over the years and would put the power into the players hands to really get creative with it.

I do agree with you, though, that if we were to only get limited scaling (i.e., on certain pieces) that the primitive shapes and font sizes would be the most helpful! I'd throw editable text signs and billboards into the mix as well... And if I'm getting really greedy? The wall sets, rocks, and plants.
 
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I don’t know about the rest of the community but I’m so hoping for a tundra pack next dlc. I know the other favored option is highlands and rightfully so. It definitely has some good options animal wise. To me though the tundra pack offers something unique and diverse. It’s got a lot animals unlike anything currently in game. I truly think this a pack frontier would make some decent profit from as you only have to lock most people in for 2 or 3 of their favorite animals. On the other hand highlands seem very predictable imo and really could go with anytime of year as compared to tundra which is perfect for winter. I just think the game has grown stale and predictable to some people and with frontiers current state it’s time to introduce new animals to the game that offer more in terms of animations and behaviors. Once again this pack would offer frontier a golden opportunity to include something game changing and unique. It’s the perfect chance to introduce the snowy owl which is popular in a lot of zoos here in the US.
 
I don’t know about the rest of the community but I’m so hoping for a tundra pack next dlc. I know the other favored option is highlands and rightfully so. It definitely has some good options animal wise. To me though the tundra pack offers something unique and diverse. It’s got a lot animals unlike anything currently in game. I truly think this a pack frontier would make some decent profit from as you only have to lock most people in for 2 or 3 of their favorite animals. On the other hand highlands seem very predictable imo and really could go with anytime of year as compared to tundra which is perfect for winter. I just think the game has grown stale and predictable to some people and with frontiers current state it’s time to introduce new animals to the game that offer more in terms of animations and behaviors. Once again this pack would offer frontier a golden opportunity to include something game changing and unique. It’s the perfect chance to introduce the snowy owl which is popular in a lot of zoos here in the US.
I don't really like the idea as it's real similar to the arctic pack. Any animL in it aside from maybe another penguin is gonna be from the arctic. Maybe a taiga themed pack could work as a mix between tundra and mountains. Either way I'm in the camp of wanting a Eurasia or greater Asia pack cause it's where a lot of my most requested animals at the moment are from.
 
@YesIndeed eurasia and Asia does have great animals for sure. I will say though there are only two Eurasian animals in the top ten though as it does seem pretty diverse in terms of continents. Personally to me the meta wishlist is highly inaccurate and outdated. For myself personally my list would look much different now as many animals have made it in game. I feel like some animals have kinda snuck in because of that. In reality no animals a bad animal really. Me I personally love the musk ox, walrus, marmot, arctic hare etc. Like I mentioned I would love the snowy owl also. It’s a long shot but the way I see it if PK can have aviary birds frontier most definitely can do it too. Maybe a SA/LA pack would offer a better opportunity. I’m a fan of the game for sure and have every dlc but it’s time for frontier to pull out the big guns. New rigs and possibly some aviary and fully aquatic animals. They definitely are more than capable.
 
I would take this. I wouldn’t be overly excited by it cause other than the blackbuck and hornbill none of the others really get my attention. But I wouldn’t hate it either, I know some want more India representation.

I’m pretty lenient in what this next pack is, the only one I would hate dead serious would be a tundra pack. Walrus, Musk Ox, another Penguin, Mountain Goat, Stoat, Puffin don’t do anything for me whatsoever. Other than the Wolverine and the Arctic Hare, every animal I’ve seen wanted for a tundra pack doesn’t get me excited at all. I would no joke build for Wolverine and the hare and just say “done with this pack, back to other species” cause I don’t find them useful at all. And Im honestly scared cause this pack actually has a decent chance of happening, praying to the gods this one doesn’t come true.
my most wanted pack is an Antarctician themed one but yeah every one has their preferences. Out of all the ideas being thrown around the ones I would hate if they actually happened are highlands or domestics. This is a bit mean but I hate ungulates I find them boring and they all feel very similar to me so i dont really build for them but everyone is different.

personally I hope its an asia pack not highlands
 
You’d get a bear, a cat, a primate, a deer, a couple of antelope, a habitat bird, and the first flying bird. Who wouldn’t buy it!?
I wouldn't because you'd get a bear, a cat, a deer and a couple of antelope haha :p (kidding, I would really like to get Hanuman langur)

Also hot take but I really don't think an Eurasia pack is gonna happen although I agree that its potential arrangement would have a lot of desired picks, considering their usual pattern of animal-scenery-animal-scenery one of the scenery themes left that would sell is the native american theme, if most of the big sellers (wolverine, muskox and walrus) for such a pack are moved to an Eurasia pack it doesn't make sense to make it anymore...

Here's a map of Planet Zoo cultural themes, Aquatic, Conservation and Classic are omitted for obvious reasons. The only big themes missing are central american/latin american architecture and native american architecture. For Eurasia there are some possible building themes as well (Central Asia/Persian, Russian or even Nepali architecture styles) but I doubt we will get any of those because they are barely known and kind of similar already existing themes.
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Nobody talking about an India pack? Is that just because it’s a seasonality thing to expect a cold climate DLC?

I’ve said it before, but an India pack would be so diverse.
  • blackbuck
  • fishing cat/Indian leopard
  • nilgai/gaur
  • sloth bear
  • grey langur
  • painted stork/green peafowl
  • Barasingha deer/chital
  • greater hornbill walkthrough (I’m an optimist)/jungle fowl
You’d get a bear, a cat, a primate, a deer, a couple of antelope, a habitat bird, and the first flying bird. Who wouldn’t buy it!?
I've brought it up many times. My lineup is a bit different to yours, though;
  • Blackbuck.
  • Nilgai.
  • Sloth bear.
  • Lion-tailed macaque.
  • Fishing cat.
  • Gaur.
  • Demoiselle crane.
  • Indian or king cobra (regular exhibit).
IMO as far as Asian deer go I don't feel like another deer that looks like the ones already in the game would be very popular, even if I do personally like it as a choice (barasingha, chital, or sambar). The only one I think we'd get away with is the Pere David's deer, really, since it's such a conservation icon.
 
I would take this. I wouldn’t be overly excited by it cause other than the blackbuck and hornbill none of the others really get my attention. But I wouldn’t hate it either, I know some want more India representation.

I’m pretty lenient in what this next pack is, the only one I would hate dead serious would be a tundra pack. Walrus, Musk Ox, another Penguin, Mountain Goat, Stoat, Puffin don’t do anything for me whatsoever. Other than the Wolverine and the Arctic Hare, every animal I’ve seen wanted for a tundra pack doesn’t get me excited at all. I would no joke build for Wolverine and the hare and just say “done with this pack, back to other species” cause I don’t find them useful at all. And Im honestly scared cause this pack actually has a decent chance of happening, praying to the gods this one doesn’t come true.
Well, this definitely prove that people have different tastes because this is litterally the pack I want the most. Walrus is my all time favorite animal (I guess my profile picture talks by itself), Wolverine, Musk Ox both are in my top 10 of expected species. Arctic Hare and Puffin are in my top 20. Not a fan of Mountain Goat but I would definitely be happy with a stoat.
That being said, and I'm going to say the forbidden word, a lot of these species already exist as mods and they are quite well done. I don't play with them for the moment but if I started to, I would only need the Walrus and the Puffin in an official DLC.

Regarding an India pack, I'm also really open to it. It's definitely the most neglected region after South America.
 
I do manage to get what I want eventually with all of it except water and the auto correct on the paths is still vile.

also what exactly does the control method mean.

more to the point that it needs to be better explained to beginners.
If you hold the controll key while placing path you can freely place it aslong as the terrain allows it.
When making a more tricky terrain layout you can use this to put in defining points and can then just connect them without pain
 
You all know that the Dlc is going to be based on the only thing that we haven't talked in 307 pages, whatever that thing might be.
I don't think there are any possible themes for the dlc left that we haven't discussed, I just hope that whatever it is it has useful animals

Also I'll repeat again that I reaaaaaaaaaally want it to be birds but at the same time there is this odd feel about it being something more towards cold animals, because this years dlcs have all been kinda hot-themed. Like the least "hot" one was Oceania but it clearly had tropical vibes with the whole polynesian theme despite the animals being mostly temperate...

It's quite difficult to lean towards one or another given all the possible "contenders" are good ideas and each also has solid reasons to be next:
  • A pack focusing on birds is possibly the most wanted thing in the community, and the secretary bird is top 1 on the wishlist right now
  • A mountain animal pack is also very likely not only because of the obvious array but because they omitted a baboon in the arid pack, this might not be anything but imo it is a clear indicative that they are keeping the baboon as a seller for it using the gelada instead
  • A general cold pack since we have quite a lot of cold-climate species in the top 10 of the list including the walrus, the wolverine and the muskox, this pack would most likely sell better than highlands at the expense of it being a scenery pack or not being a scenery pack and losing the possibility to have a native american theme.


The last idea I can think of is the disgusting Africa 3 pack by shoving in the secretary with a baboon, honey badger, serval and some antelope. This would be a nightmare scenario because of the Africa overrepresentation in the game reaching absurd levels and I definitely think there would be a pretty big general outrage because by all means it's the worst thing they could possibly do, like, look at the arid pack, if they do that again it will be a massive joke.
 
I don't think there are any possible themes for the dlc left that we haven't discussed, I just hope that whatever it is it has useful animals

Also I'll repeat again that I reaaaaaaaaaally want it to be birds but at the same time there is this odd feel about it being something more towards cold animals, because this years dlcs have all been kinda hot-themed. Like the least "hot" one was Oceania but it clearly had tropical vibes with the whole polynesian theme despite the animals being mostly temperate...

It's quite difficult to lean towards one or another given all the possible "contenders" are good ideas and each also has solid reasons to be next:
  • A pack focusing on birds is possibly the most wanted thing in the community, and the secretary bird is top 1 on the wishlist right now
  • A mountain animal pack is also very likely not only because of the obvious array but because they omitted a baboon in the arid pack, this might not be anything but imo it is a clear indicative that they are keeping the baboon as a seller for it using the gelada instead
  • A general cold pack since we have quite a lot of cold-climate species in the top 10 of the list including the walrus, the wolverine and the muskox, this pack would most likely sell better than highlands at the expense of it being a scenery pack or not being a scenery pack and losing the possibility to have a native american theme.


The last idea I can think of is the disgusting Africa 3 pack by shoving in the secretary with a baboon, honey badger, serval and some antelope. This would be a nightmare scenario because of the Africa overrepresentation in the game reaching absurd levels and I definitely think there would be a pretty big general outrage because by all means it's the worst thing they could possibly do, like, look at the arid pack, if they do that again it will be a massive joke.
U mean I don't want a Safari pack or whatever. But if it has better representation then mostly ungulates and has things like baboon and secretary. Assuming we get no more African animals next year I wouldn't mind it.
 
The last idea I can think of is the disgusting Africa 3 pack by shoving in the secretary with a baboon, honey badger, serval and some antelope. This would be a nightmare scenario because of the Africa overrepresentation in the game reaching absurd levels and I definitely think there would be a pretty big general outrage because by all means it's the worst thing they could possibly do, like, look at the arid pack, if they do that again it will be a massive joke.
I mean if we get the rest of the missing africa species this would be pretty fire Ngl.
 
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