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Honestly, I'm still not exactly 'anti' xeno; I just have realized that the only way to peace is via a strategic military advantage. As long as they think they can win, they won't bother to communicate. So we need to bring them to a place where they NEED to communicate, and then we can try to stop the war for good.

Nobody wants genocide. Except maybe Salvation, but he was a butternut squash.
 
I’d like to see where those experiences originate from… because I have the impression most of us who are on the ‘PX’ side are not interested in seeing all humans die but would rather see the conflict end and establish some kind of lasting peace(or non-violent coexistence, which… really shouldn’t be that hard, you would think, yet here we are repeatedly bashing our heads in with bigger and bigger, very sophisticated sticks).
 
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Honestly, I'm still not exactly 'anti' xeno; I just have realized that the only way to peace is via a strategic military advantage. As long as they think they can win, they won't bother to communicate. So we need to bring them to a place where they NEED to communicate, and then we can try to stop the war for good.

Nobody wants genocide. Except maybe Salvation, but he was a butternut squash.
Salvation was fully supported by all three superpowers, who had been jointly commited to the war for years prior. The authorities of humanity were all for it, so effectively humanity was. In the face of that...if I were the Thargoids, the only strategy I would think suitable would be the one you just suggested for us. Push them until the powers finally value humanity's survival above profits. Unfortunately it doesn't look like we're going to get that far, if such a tipping point exists.
 
Salvation was fully supported by all three superpowers, who had been jointly commited to the war for years prior. The authorities of humanity were all for it, so effectively humanity was. In the face of that...if I were the Thargoids, the only strategy I would think suitable would be the one you just suggested for us. Push them until the powers finally value humanity's survival above profits. Unfortunately it doesn't look like we're going to get that far, if such a tipping point exists.
Politicians valuing human lives above power and wealth? Sounds optimistic....
Maybe that'll be the theme of U19...
 
The Thargoids are quite clearly not doing anything humanity wouldn't do in their position.

- unwilling to give up territorial claims, see no point in negotiating if that's going to be on the table
- respond to attacks on their territory with larger attacks on the aggressor, including responding to serious threats with attempts to wipe out the cause entirely
- consider individual ships and pilots entirely expendable but will eventually give up if they run out of cannon fodder

Whether they can't communicate with us, don't want to communicate with us, or merely recognise that attempting to communicate with us further would be a waste of time is almost irrelevant - the war has played out much as a "hot" war between the Federation and Empire would have.
 
The Thargoids are quite clearly not doing anything humanity wouldn't do in their position.

  • unwilling to give up territorial claims, see no point in negotiating if that's going to be on the table
  • respond to attacks on their territory with larger attacks on the aggressor, including responding to serious threats with attempts to wipe out the cause entirely
  • consider individual ships and pilots entirely expendable but will eventually give up if they run out of cannon fodder
Many of their early interactions with humans were violent, and even before the war refusing to consent to their "scans" resulted in hostile action. Let's not pretend just yet the Thargoids are capable of peace. If they didn't want to end up at the bad end of a strong bug repellent, they shouldn't have bullied us for the better part of a millennia. If you want my two cents, it's funny how the fact they withheld punches during the early 3300s has earned them sympathy among other pilots.
 
HI,

is there any communication that I miss about the thermal core issue not retracting?
It's getting verry annoying, it seems to happen more and more frequently... each time I goes on a titan fight all vent are already blue glowing and the core is stuck open or close...
It seems to happen more frequently on the evening, when there is et lot of players connected. maybe a FDEV side issue with server struggling when computing core damages....

It would be nice to have update on this.
 
Many of their early interactions with humans were violent, and even before the war refusing to consent to their "scans" resulted in hostile action.
Just drop in at an Odyssey base and refuse to consent to the security scans to check how humans will treat other humans in that regard, will you? We need a control group for this experiment.

If you could also check what happens if you reject their territorial claims and start walking off with anything not nailed down that would also be a good test.
 
Just drop in at an Odyssey base and refuse to consent to the security scans to check how humans will treat other humans in that regard, will you? We need a control group for this experiment.

If you could also check what happens if you reject their territorial claims and start walking off with anything not nailed down that would also be a good test.
Don't care currently, but I would if it's a base known for coordinating unwarranted interdictions and destroying vessels for no good reason. Just look at some of the Beluga wrecks present at non-human signals. Don't tell me your analogy outpost is also targeting innocent cruise ships.
 
Don't care currently, but I would if it's a base known for coordinating unwarranted interdictions and destroying vessels for no good reason. Just look at some of the Beluga wrecks present at non-human signals. Don't tell me your analogy outpost is also targeting innocent cruise ships.
Every minor faction in the game will offer missions to massacre the civilian workers of other factions, and you can pick those missions up at almost any of the faction's stations, including these on-foot outposts. Cruise ships are a rarer mission target but certainly a possible one.

To be clear, I have no evidence to suggest that Thargoids are measurably less territorial or violent than humans and am not putting that forwards as a theory.
 
Don't care currently, but I would if it's a base known for coordinating unwarranted interdictions and destroying vessels for no good reason. Just look at some of the Beluga wrecks present at non-human signals. Don't tell me your analogy outpost is also targeting innocent cruise ships.
Sounds like the definition of "unwarranted" and "for no good reason" is the core issue. What would be a good reason for an interdiction, in your view? Maybe if the Thargoids specifically targeted them to those in Thargoid territory, who had been known to interact with Thargoid technology previously? Because that's what they did.
And what would you recommend if a ship did not return stolen Thargoid tech in the grace period? Just...let them have it? Is it ethically wrong to use force after months of strict pacificism have not triggered a change?

Some post-war actions are also being mixed in here, which doesn't help. If we're debating who is at fault for the war, I find it most useful to look at actions that lead up to it - not after humanity declared total war on the Thargoids. Belugas being destroyed for example only came after that - usually with Thargoid tech in the wreckage. Should the Thargoids allow some people from the warring species to take their stuff if they're in a Beluga?
 
Don't care currently, but I would if it's a base known for coordinating unwarranted interdictions and destroying vessels for no good reason. Just look at some of the Beluga wrecks present at non-human signals. Don't tell me your analogy outpost is also targeting innocent cruise ships.
I'm not sure these Belugas were cruise ships... Or maybe some of them were, but the overworked, underpaid and undertrained non-union pilots panicked and boosted into the interceptor when they were scanned by it. E-rated unengineered 'Lugas those cruise lines operate will never outrun any interceptor and meld with a few volleys. Put it up with the greedy companies insisting on offering and wealthy spoiled brats demanding tours into dangerous areas.
 
I think we should be asking "why the murder spree in the 2800s?".
So this is no longer about the events of this war in specific? The Thargoids have just been damned since the events of 500 years ago in your view, and that justifies us unconditionally? Would you accept the opposite if it turned out that humans had actually been the first to shoot 510 years ago, so the Thargoids have rights to do whatever they want to us?

Recent events are evidently not connected to those from previous conflicts. If they were, well we already had a first Thargoid war, they would have returned on a war footing from day 1: not doing what they did, months of strict pacifism replaced with targeted retaliation when that failed.

The 2800s is even more murky. What makes you think there was a "murder spree" as opposed to Thargoids defending themselves, if indeed these disappearances were actually to do with Thargoids? And why, if these events are relevant to today, why do you think they started acting so differently for the events we definitely know were them?
 
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The 2800s is even more murky. What makes you think there was a "murder spree" as opposed to Thargoids defending themselves
Sort of like how I "defend myself" from system authority vessels? Surely obliterating an authority vulture is justified given they fired a plasma shot first.
 
Sort of like how I "defend myself" from system authority vessels? Surely obliterating an authority vulture is justified given they fired a plasma shot first.
Where are you getting your information on who fired first? I think you are confusing that with who won the resulting fight. (Note: I still disagree with the idea of damning an entire species based on who shot first hundreds of years ago)
 
So this is no longer about the events of this war in specific? The Thargoids have just been damned since the events of 500 years ago in your view, and that justifies us unconditionally? Would you accept the opposite if it turned out that humans had actually been the first to shoot 510 years ago, so the Thargoids have rights to do whatever they want to us?

Recent events are evidently not connected to those from previous conflicts. If they were, well we already had a first Thargoid war, they would have returned on a war footing from day 1: not doing what they did, months of strict pacifism replaced with targeted retaliation when that failed.

The 2800s is even more murky. What makes you think there was a "murder spree" as opposed to Thargoids defending themselves, if indeed these disappearances were actually to do with Thargoids? And why, if these events are relevant to today, why do you think they started acting so differently for the events we definitely know were them?
Maybe these Thargoids are unconnected with the ones from ~500 years ago because our earlier attempted at genocide worked and non of them got back to tell them about us.
 
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