Good point and very valid, I suspect you’re correct - now I’m uncertain, will need to dig it out :)

Hat at ready for being eaten.
I like a good helping of hat+Mango chutney with Ginger, very tasty!

But Ive been searching for that comment and cant find kt. Nor do I have it in my FD Quotes thread. Could have been deleted! Might be in a livestream....
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Personally I still expect it to be some form of planet.
Before ED the only time Raxxla is mentioned in any official context, is in the Dark Wheel description. If they made Raxxla something else than that, it wouldn't really be Raxxla. It would be something else, that FD gave the same name.

Even UC calls it a planet:
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The word 'Planet' is however quite vague. The original description of a ghost planet makes it even more vague. Even an artificial object of sufficient size and with an approximately spherical shape, could be considered a planet.
The main problem with an artificial object ist that it would require a custom made, in-game 3D object. For quite a few years after release, all such object had to be loaded locally from the game client. Even now it would mean a lot of data to load from server.
It is more likely that Raxxla uses a standard object, with some minor overrides.
Hey, sorry to jump backwards in this thread but how did you contact FDev in this way? I've been doing some research and I wanna try asking them if I'm actually on a path to an intended secret or if I'm just researching a dead end.
 
I agree, but I think if intentional its intent is far more likely literal. X marks the spot.

The only other alternative is it could be an example of group pattern bias. Where we are interpreting random data and through group consciousness we are willing it to fit the hypothesis?
Personally I think the garden design is just the graphics department playing with and expanding on the FD logo design.
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That does not mean it's not worth lokking at. There is always the possibility that it has some deeper meaning.
 
Hey, sorry to jump backwards in this thread but how did you contact FDev in this way? I've been doing some research and I wanna try asking them if I'm actually on a path to an intended secret or if I'm just researching a dead end.
It wasn't me. As you see from the letter, it was Commander HexCube that contacted FD.
I don't remember exactly, but I'm fairly certain that he posted the question on one of FD's social media accounts.
 
So for part 3 of this series, and the last for me. I set a goal to find, if nothing else, the first step of finding Raxxla. My whole journey has been long, according to the website I officially started my Elite Career in early 2016. In that time, a large portion of it has been directly involved in solving MBs, DBs, DWs, and other writer's mysteries. But when I started this game, the first thing I did was go out and explore. And I feel that need again.

Raxxla: A complex MB & DB, multilayered riddle. It includes classic braben elements, and layered like MB loves to do.

My claim:

Raxxla is in Sol
At least the door is...sol

My perceived Evidence:

1:
"A place that is not a place, a door that is also a key"

The only "Door" that matters in Elite: Dangerous are stars.... It's a door, that we open, every time we jump. The key is our jump drive, with the galaxy map (and the lore behind that, which we now know in game a little through the codex). The First Hyperdrives were made in the 22nd century (2100s...interesting....hey)

In this case, I think they are saying that, Sol becomes the key, to revealing/unlocking raxxla, if something happens, or we jump to it in a certain way/in a pattern.

2:
"And fast by, hanging in a golden chain,
This pendent world, in bigness as a star
Of smallest magnitude, close by the moon."

This is Earth reference 1 in our hint compilation (they've made several).

The real book this is from, its Satan. We have several bodies to choose from in the Sol system that represent that.

This is also Jewelry Reference 1.

I also think, this is a classic split riddle. Meaning a part of it is telling us something, and another will lead us astray.

I believe this is telling us if satan viewed it from afar (ahem Sedna), Raxxla is part of the chain of planets, and very small.

3:
The Raxxla timeline as we know it:

By 2296, it was Legend. Elite Dangerous is made as a conglomeration of the 90s games for the story and lore, and systems from all 3 original main titles. Which means most of the original book.

Raxxla was legendary/secretive by game 1/og book. so what kind of exploration did humans do between 2010 and ~2200?

Sol.

Its right there in the codex. Tau Ceti was the first colony, we destroyed an alien species, and then exploded from there. And it was legendary in Tau Ceti in 2296, already part of the myth legends.

We explored the out of Sol. (more on this lore idea in a bit)

4:
The Raxxla codex image.

There are 2 earth references. The circle with a dot, is the astronomical symbol for our sun. The 3 curved sections is the astronomical symbol for "Orbit". and then we see dotted lines.

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And thats not a hexagon. Its a 3d Cube, inside a 3d cube. They're at an angle. Its a tesseract. With our sun, and an orbiting body around the sun, in the middle. and the sun "light" being the 6 bars, as it hits the corner of the cube.

4:
"To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies! To the whisperer in witch-space, the siren of the deepest void! The parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts. To Raxxla!"

Earth Reference 4: Mother of galaxies is known to humans on earth, and of sol. Cassiopeia is the only known Mother of a Galaxy
Jewelry Refernce 2: The jewel that burns on the brow of cassiopeia is Schedar. While it means "Chest", in many Constellation visuals, that area is her head.

I, like many, believe this is a reference on the path to Raxxla. Telling us to go to X,Y,Z. I spent years doing that. But what if half of it is about getting back to Sol?

"THE parent's grief, THE lover's woe..." Thats what happens to explorers. They return home because of a loved one, or a child.

I think the speech is saying "Go somewhere, then return to Sol", because the door IS Sol. and whatever we have to do to make it a key, is in the direction of Schedar.



Slight mentions, Not enough evidence to catorgize it to this yet:
1:
Go To ETA Cassiopeia, then jump to Sol. Target, then Fly to Neptune(if you get close to the rings, you'll notice they are green). Now try flying to an asteroid belt

You cant. Its in the Sun.
This "bug" is from 2015, mentioned multiple times, have had multiple Asteroids updates since then, and it still happens.

I think it happens because raxxla is tied to a place orbiting the sun, in one of the asteroid belt sections, but the sun itself "unlocks" it, so it either bugs out every now and then, or ETA Cassiopeia or neptune is part of all of this.

2: the 3 Legends of earth. El dorado is mentioned in 2 codex entries (Alioths and Raxxla), and Atlatis is mentioned in 2 Codex Entries. Why was Prester John mentioned then?

Theories:
1: I think we have to jump to Sol from normal space, not from Frame Shifted space.
2: We then have to fly far away from the sun, to see the effect of raxxla
3: fly "into" the sun light, to get to raxxla, which only appear when you get close enough to it. Possibly as a Mars "moon"

Lore Theory: I think humans discovered an alien traveling through Sol, to get to Raxxla, which helped us invent hyper drives.
The dark wheel (the real one, which aren't a faction literally named "dark wheel", I promise) knew/knows where raxxla is, but can't access it's power anymore (because thargoids). I think the dark wheel station itself is closer the Omphalos Rift, than Raxxla.
Some folks have messaged me about the "3d cube in side a 3d cube" and are having a hard time seeing it. Here is my crappy add:

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dotted dark blue: the faces of the 3d cube closest to us

light blue dotted: The faces of the inner 3d cube furthest from us

Purple: The major faces of the outer 3d cube


It forms arrows that basically says "The Sun" . Raxxla only appears in 3 of the arrows here.
 
It wasn't me. As you see from the letter, it was Commander HexCube that contacted FD.
I don't remember exactly, but I'm fairly certain that he posted the question on one of FD's social media accounts.
Ah right, I wondered if HexCube was just a secondary alias for you.
I'll have to find a way of contacting FDev that isn't just a generic support ticket, as I don't really want to waste their time.

Some folks have messaged me about the "3d cube in side a 3d cube" and are having a hard time seeing it. Here is my crappy add:

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dotted dark blue: the faces of the 3d cube closest to us

light blue dotted: The faces of the inner 3d cube furthest from us

Purple: The major faces of the outer 3d cube


It forms arrows that basically says "The Sun" . Raxxla only appears in 3 of the arrows here.
The tesseract idea is interesting. I've remade your diagram and tilted it 30 degrees to make it easier to see the layers.
Raxxla Tilted.jpgTesseract All.jpgTesseract Inner.jpgTesseract Outer.jpg
 
Ah right, I wondered if HexCube was just a secondary alias for you.
I'll have to find a way of contacting FDev that isn't just a generic support ticket, as I don't really want to waste their time.


The tesseract idea is interesting. I've remade your diagram and tilted it 30 degrees to make it easier to see the layers.
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A quick thought on this, which is super tinfoil:
ED was released a month after the film Interstellar, in which a tesseract is entered by travelling into a black hole at a high speed
How long has this Raxxla logo been around? Could it perhaps be inspired by Interstellar?
 
Ah right, I wondered if HexCube was just a secondary alias for you.
I'll have to find a way of contacting FDev that isn't just a generic support ticket, as I don't really want to waste their time.


The tesseract idea is interesting. I've remade your diagram and tilted it 30 degrees to make it easier to see the layers.
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These images you can see the "Arrows" that form from the negative space much more clearly.

Edit: this is actually very clear on explaining my line of thinking. Each "Face" of the outer 3d cube has 2 paths, 1 that gets to raxxla, one that doesn't. (or one that hits the orbiting body, and one that doesnt.
 
A quick thought on this, which is super tinfoil:
ED was released a month after the film Interstellar, in which a tesseract is entered by travelling into a black hole at a high speed
How long has this Raxxla logo been around? Could it perhaps be inspired by Interstellar?
The closest Black hole that would be a candidate is 27 Gamma Cassiopeia. I am not sure how you can jump from there to Sol though (without a neutron jump, which wasn't a thing for technology in the 22nd century). I also can't remember when they added black holes to the game, I dont think they were available on release.
 
Did DB say "Galnet" can lie or "characters can lie"? There's a difference! I thought it was the latter, but I cant find the original source...was it in an AMA?
Though for what it's worth, anything that is relevant and could plausibly be a lie is almost certainly either reported by Galnet as said by a character anyway, or reported as "reports are coming in of X in Y system" where it's the same essential issue: that Galnet is telling the literal truth doesn't matter.
 
Though for what it's worth, anything that is relevant and could plausibly be a lie is almost certainly either reported by Galnet as said by a character anyway, or reported as "reports are coming in of X in Y system" where it's the same essential issue: that Galnet is telling the literal truth doesn't matter.

I suspect the issue around the sentiment was that in Galnet characters use falsehoods to promote a particular narrative. Not that ‘data’ is inherently and commonly false.

Eg FD have a narrative crossroads, they give us a couple of choices through a community goal (that’s they’re purpose), but FD heavily leans on a particular narrative thread focussed upon war or the development of weapons or faster drives etc, to push certain content over other content?
 
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I suspect the issue around the sentiment was that in Galnet characters use falsehoods to promote a particular narrative. Not that ‘data’ is inherently and commonly false.

Eg FD have a narrative crossroads, they give us a couple of choices through a community goal (that’s they’re purpose), but FD heavily leans on a particular narrative thread focussed upon war or the development of weapons or faster drives etc, to push certain Congo er other cont?
Agreed.

Salvation lied about a whole bunch of stuff, and was telling the truth but wrong about a lot more.
But there's no reason to believe that Galnet incorrectly reported "Salvation said ..."
 
Ah, but the question to my mind is how much the codex can be trusted. Lyta Crane is an in-game codex character that hasnt IIRC been quoted/mentioned in Galnet.
 
Well that’s the issue. How much could we trust FD?

Those of us who were around during the pre-launch period, have experience of how bad FD were at communicating and promoting themselves.

Then we have the evidence that FD removed elements of narratives, without telling us certain processes were redundant.

Now it’s arguable, but FD has actively added doubt, by never being wholly affirmative and likewise always giving us enough information to advocate something is actually absent or false?

Thats infuriating because it’s not one way or the other…

Generally my suspicion is FD is just terrible at communication and this is not due to any one particular person but that FD has shifted their course over time, and very likely brought in other people, to take over certain narratives and then adding to them… or just dropping them entirely, it generally feels inconsistent. Or at least FD has allowed it to feel that way.

Personally I’m of the opinion that the codex is adding new information and it is factually accurate, but it does likewise reference historical information and affirms it is that which is redundant!

I suspect the reference in the codex of Lyta Crane is important, because she is a persistent NPC, in game I think that advocates she’s telling the truth, simply by being ‘reliable’ by inclusion, over other characters who are likely unreliable by being absent!

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Well, yes the codex brought new information. However it is not corroborated anywhere, either in-game or by FD confirming it is 100% true, so I think overall confidence should be significantly reduced. Though to my mind some parts seem to be more believable than others.
 
Ah, but the question to my mind is how much the codex can be trusted. Lyta Crane is an in-game codex character that hasnt IIRC been quoted/mentioned in Galnet.
I think largely the same as Galnet:

- there's no reason to doubt that Lyta Crane exists in-universe
- there's no reason to doubt that the Codex is accurately summarising the key points of one of her theories
- it is entirely possible that she's either lying or mistaken about that theory (though in this particular case it would be both narratively and puzzle-setting [1] odd for the one piece of semi-specific information given by the whole Codex entry to be wrong ... "Hah, got you, it was actually around the sixth planet of a B-class star" would be a weird reveal)

[1] There's really no need to add extra red herrings to the Raxxla search when players are quite capable of making up their own at a much faster rate anyway.
 
Well, I've just reread both parts of the codex on Raxxla and TDW:

The Raxxla entry has not a single mention of TDW.
The TDW entry only says "The group is often mentioned in connection with the equally unsubstantiated 'Raxxla'", which is very insubstantial. There is absolutely nothing to say that TDW are part & parcel of MB's "Raxxla storyline" (should that still exist in-game after he left the tiller and despite all the retcons we believe to have occured).

So, going by the protocols for assessment of evidence (which @Rochester 's often quoted):
I am prepared to believe Raxxla is in-game - DB and MB both said so several times on different occasions, thereby providing corroboration.
I am prepared to believe under MB's leadership that there was an in-game storyline leading to it, but whether it still exists I am on the fence.
I am prepared to believe a TDW stealth station may be in-game, but without further corroboration my confidence in this is quite low.
IF it exists I am highly suspicious that station is a toroid and located at an 8th moon -that codex paragraph clealry points out that Lyta Crane may be an unreliable witness. Moreover she was said to be not a first-hand source, at best secondhand and may be further removed, if she isnt outright lying to further her own career. The mention of the children's story "Princess Astrophel etc" is also suspicious. I have some further hypotheses on that but not yet ready to discuss, however MB was an author and hence words were important to him; there is a dichotomy in the book title -Astrophel is a boy's name so why a princess? Sounds fishy.
I am prepared to believe that anything TDW-related in-game is solely FD using player enjoyment if Holdstock's original novella to give some apparent depth (& that's not a criticism of FD -they made a game & they want people to play it, but they cant commercially afford to have a lot of authors creating deep storylines to build into the game to give it depth- by the same reasoning I dont think the Col70 permit lock will ever be lifted as FD would first have to program in a whole region's worth of Thargoid sites, infrastructure, etc etc)

I still think DB actually said "in-game characters can lie", and that would include Lyta Crane.

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Now of course IF TDW were a real in-game "legendary group of adventurers, explorers, investigators and treasure-hunters " instead of a front (‘You think the Dark Wheel advertises on a station board in plain sight?...‘You should not consider the Dark Wheel a single organisation, gentlemen. How could it survive for so long if it were? The Wheel has many levels, many
hubs, cogs, gears and spokes. It is more akin to an affiliation of organisations that share certain common goals") AND had named a disused station as "Raxxla" then that might make sense of the various pictures, codex paragraphs and the toast. However applying evidential reasoning to the available information I am sceptical.

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And if the codex paragraph were a clue, and the rather strangely named Lyta Crane is relevant, there are 7 systems within 100ly of Tau Ceti (location to first documented rumour of Raxxla) that contain LY and T type stars, however I think that start screen pic would suggest that station (IF it exists) should be closer to Barnard's Loop.
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"Lyta Crane" is a strange name, and that 8th moon phrase sounds suspiciously like misdirection to me. LYT star types may be hints, but what about the rest of the name? A is another star type, but an unlikely candidate in a system with LYT (might be worth a search on the full JSON SPANSH catalogue (EDSM started deleting unvisited star systems so I dont think thats now a good source) - my PC and spreadsheet skills are not up to the task). CrA is the astronomical abbreviation for corona australis but A(lpha) CrA is Alfecca Meridiana, in-game but only a single body (A type). Crab Nebula might be another interpretation, but IIRC that's around 6,500ly from Sol. So I don't think the curvature of Barnard's Loop (if visible there) would match the start screen pic.

 
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It's also worth remembering that - as far as we know - the Dark Wheel never found Raxxla, so what's the point of looking for them? To get a masterclass in how to fail for a thousand years?

I've said before that I think we're the Dark Wheel as it pertains to the Raxxla hunt, or at least a major part of it. We were recruited into it by mysteriously being given a ship - something not unlike TDW novella where Rafe gives Alex a ship to get him started.

I think this is what was meant when Brookes said they'd discussed the idea that Elite Legacy was going to be a direct sequel to The Dark Wheel novella, and decided that story should be played out in-game. I think we're all basically Alex Ryders playing out variations of the general zero-to-hero plotline that's present in TDW novella - as is the obvious intention of the Novella back in 1984, and it's still true now.

TDW = dead end (at present).

Remember in the lore The Dark Wheel aren't just after Raxxla, they are a secret society of like-minded people - so anyone in the entire game could be a secret member which could be revealed at any moment without compromising anything else that's ever been presented about that person. They could easily say "Aha! Lori Jameson was always part of The Dark Wheel", or "Aha! Aden Tanner was always part of the Dark Wheel", or "AHA! Salvation was a member of the Dark Wheel", or "Aha! Meet Kelly Secretperson, she's never been mentioned before but she's a major person in the Dark wheel and she's come forward to blow the whistle!".

The Codex is simply setting up the narrative that at any time Fdev can introduce TDW in a more impactful way and people won't say "Eh, what? what's this? where did this come from?" they'll say "Oh this is part of that storyline that's been going on for years, how clever!"

By this very line of reasoning, it's pointless looking for them (we're literally told that in the Codex too).
 
I was looking at the Raxxla logo, and both the "3d cube inside a 3d cube" and the point inside a circle may suggest (at least to me) that Raxxla may be an area at the center inside a planet. Looking at how the circle in the logo is drawn, it may be a planet with an atmosphere or a gas giant. So maybe Raxxla is really a place but, being inside a planet, that place may not be accessible, and there may be other hints or signals to verify its presence at the heart of the right planet.
 
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I was looking at the Raxxla logo, and both the "3d cube inside a 3d cube" and the point inside a circle may suggest (at least to me) that Raxxla may be an area at the center inside a planet. Looking at how the circle in the logo is drawn, it may be a planet with an atmosphere or a gas giant. So maybe Raxxla is really a place but, being inside a planet, that place may not be accessible, and there may be other hints or signals to verify its presence at the heart of the right planet.
Have you heard of this concept? Its been mooted in the past in this thread.
 
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