The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Jorki Rasalas]

Yes, the fact that this predates FSD is the main argument this should be within the bubble or very close by. That being said, FDEV might not actually care about it.

Here are counterpoints:

1. It would be way too easy and it means Raxxla is basically a fancy tourist beacon.

2. Even if it originally was there, after the initial story plan blew up, if I was in charge of that, I'd move it. Where? Who knows, but it probably wouldn't be within the legacy drive range anymore.

3. It's trivial to explain why Raxxla isn't where "it's supposed to be" - according to lore the planet could be moved - it was literally one of it's main features, and the planet wasn't even in our galaxy per se but let's say it is. If it's not actually a planet but a gateway, then even more so it's very movable. If it's some other kind of artifact, even more likely.

4. What's the point of having 400 billion star systems if only a few hundred actually matter? They kind of got out of that with Colonia a little, but that still means that we're talking the bubble and a much smaller bubble, and a handful of things on the way in and out - the rest is a fancy wallpaper. The bubble is ~100k systems so basically something like 10^-5 of a percent of the universe. The greatest artifact of the universe just happens to be in the bubble...

5. There is no canonical proof that anyone ever has actually found the thing, much less used it in any shape or form. The codex entry mentions original story as "Cora [...] claims she's found a map to some pirate stash [...]. Maybe we should go FIND RAXXLA while we're at it!" So Raxxla in 2296 is a myth, it's not THE pirate stash, and just some legend about some unspecified awesome thing - there is no real reason it was findable.

Paradoxically, the most concrete, credible part of the codex talking about it is the part:

"Raxxla also plays a role in several conspiracy theories, most of which attest that it has already been discovered by some kind of sinister cabal (or sole tyrant), which has leveraged its power to establish covert dominance over humanity."

To me this directly alludes to INRA story and Salvation aka (ahem) the Witch, and Azimuth Biotech (which was literally a shadowy cabal and a sole tyrant. But we didn't get Raxxla out of that yet.

Funnily enough, the only mention in The Dark Wheel codex entry is that the group is often mentioned together with "Raxxla".

The Dark Wheel codex in fact seems to have a basic hint on what is going on: that the group gives people secretly a test, and only if you pass the test, you get inducted into the actual Dark Wheel - which perhaps gives people actual access to Raxxla (rather than the accidental run-in that perhaps Drakkster had) - but that isn't actually stated in the codex. The Pareco tip-off stuff would be the closest thing I've seen to that.

There is nothing in ED lore (i.e. codex, Tourist Beacons, FD livestreams etc) that says Raxxla is a planet that moves. That was a narrative feature in Drew Wagar's fan fiction series - good reads but not relevant. It may not even be representative of Holdstock's original concept - there is no evidence that it would/should be... DB said "of course Raxxla is in-game, but you dont know what it is"

I think we have seen the resurgence of INRA - it's now called AEGIS.

The Great Potato Hunt has done a sterling job of investigating systems within the bubble, but since they didn't know what Raxxla is, & had no concept of how to recognise it, then it is not surprising that they didnt find it. There are several feasible methods of hiding Raxxla in ED that mean it is unlikely that it will be found by accident or even during an exhaustive system search - a couple of weeks ago Ian Doncaster posted on a few methods , but I dont think his list was exhaustive...a new one occured to me last Thursday. I still think Raxxla is hidden on the FD servers and will be downloaded to client machine when/if specific criteria are met. That's the way they originally implemented the Formidine Rift bases; let's hope their testing of Raxxla is better and we dont see a repeat of that BSOD when the criteria are met.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I'll just let people here know once we've broken the lockdown - in case anyone changes their mind.

I had a go at BH at the nav beacon yesterday afternoon. Got 5.5 MCr in an hour but it has started off my hand pains again (thumb arthritis +wrist tendonitis achieved through murdering many Thargoid Scouts during lockdown).

I'm surpised FD/Brewer havent countered with another CG to kill pirates; that seems to be their usual modus operandi.

 

[Tifu]

I had a go at BH at the nav beacon yesterday afternoon. Got 5.5 MCr in an hour but it has started off my hand pains again (thumb arthritis +wrist tendonitis achieved through murdering many Thargoid Scouts during lockdown).

I was intending to do a bit of BH again today but a bad headache got in the way. Feel better knowing that somebody else pitched in but take good care of that wrist and thumb please - don't risk a full blown recurrence.

I'm surpised FD/Brewer havent countered with another CG to kill pirates; that seems to be their usual modus operandi.

FD already faced a backlash from people who felt the lockdown should have run it's course without a CG extension - I think they didn't want a stronger adverse reaction.

I also feel that a BH CG would have been appropriate, the push to have the lockdown lifted has been slow going as it is. But there's been more opposition than expected.

 

[Tifu]

From the "Turning the Wheel Thread". Several independent efforts (including The Great Raaxla Potato Hunt) seem to be reaching the final stages.

Turning the Wheel remains in the final planned phase of the project. Our primary goals during this phase are to maintain the systems that The Dark Wheel controls for BGS stability and to expand TDW into neighboring systems. If a new system is free from other PMFs and/or PP issues, TDW will take ownership. If other PMFs occupy the system, we will seek an agreement to allow TDW to stay, be friendly, and not attempt to take control of the system. This is the “good neighbor” policy that has worked very well for the project thus far. TDW being present in many systems is in opposition to what the codex entry says. As TDW grows it is hoped that this will trigger “something” with respect to Felicity Farseer’s quote in the codex entry

source: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/turning-the-wheel.546088/page-163#post-10545942

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I was intending to do a bit of BH again today but a bad headache got in the way. Feel better knowing that somebody else pitched in but take good care of that wrist and thumb please - don't risk a full blown recurrence.



FD already faced a backlash from people who felt the lockdown should have run it's course without a CG extension - I think they didn't want a stronger adverse reaction.

I also feel that a BH CG would have been appropriate, the push to have the lockdown lifted has been slow going as it is. But there's been more opposition than expected.

I read a post somewhere that suggested lockdown is unlikely to be lifted by Tuesday as the pirates have the upperhand re bgs mechanisms.

yes, Might do another hour BH then that'll be my contribution done. Hands are required for other things!

 

[Robert Rockbite]

So I'm going to try my

: Right Ascension Axis

: Acceleration Axis

: Double X Axis

: Longitudinal Axis

method around system's by and in AO Run.


The other set of system's I will try it at are all surrounding HIP 20948. From Merope and Pleiades if you go by a star to dim the skybox exposure and face and target that direction the stars form a spiral. Adjust it enough it looks like a necklace with a shiny jewel.

:image was taken by Pleiades Sector MN-T c3-15 facing it.

As you specifically mentioned "Ao Run" - that reminds me of some obscure text purportedly written by some "Mystic Monks of Kaoxyij".

The Mystic Monks of Kaoxyij were purportedly hermits that lived (or still live) on some mountain or other.
It is well known that mountains have a high chance to stand on planets.
It is also well known that planets are dirty and that they make people go crazy - just look at all those trigger happy grounder goons - or commanders visiting settlements - or the Thetis thingy.
So, generally, beware of planets and the people living on them - they might sneak up on you if you're not careful (the planets or the people).
That being said, here is the text:

"Verily, below was the Kao and above was the Ao and the alpha and the omega. Unfortunately, there has some mingling been going on for quite some time. Of the 6 of the Kao, the Ziyi has risen quite far and 6 of the Ao have fallen below it. And there are rumors that the Run and the Shun have some improper relationship."

This text might refer to names of some Ao and Kao systems and their relative positions on the y axis.

Here's a plot of positions of systems with names starting with "Ao " and "Kao ",
with empty space separating the Ao or the Kao from the rest of the name:

Green are 6 Kao,
orange are 6 Ao below "Kao Ziyi" on the y axis,
blue are 9 Ao above "Kao Ziyi" on the y axis,
red line is the "improper relationship" between "Ao Run" and "Ao Shun"
black line is between Erebus and Nefertem/Thetis

 

[Reyedog]

As you specifically mentioned "Ao Run" - that reminds me of some obscure text purportedly written by some "Mystic Monks of Kaoxyij".

The Mystic Monks of Kaoxyij were purportedly hermits that lived (or still live) on some mountain or other.
It is well known that mountains have a high chance to stand on planets.
It is also well known that planets are dirty and that they make people go crazy - just look at all those trigger happy grounder goons - or commanders visiting settlements - or the Thetis thingy.
So, generally, beware of planets and the people living on them - they might sneak up on you if you're not careful (the planets or the people).
That being said, here is the text:

"Verily, below was the Kao and above was the Ao and the alpha and the omega. Unfortunately, there has some mingling been going on for quite some time. Of the 6 of the Kao, the Ziyi has risen quite far and 6 of the Ao have fallen below it. And there are rumors that the Run and the Shun have some improper relationship."

This text might refer to names of some Ao and Kao systems and their relative positions on the y axis.

Here's a plot of positions of systems with names starting with "Ao " and "Kao ",
with empty space separating the Ao or the Kao from the rest of the name:

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Green are 6 Kao,
orange are 6 Ao below "Kao Ziyi" on the y axis,
blue are 9 Ao above "Kao Ziyi" on the y axis,
red line is the "improper relationship" between "Ao Run" and "Ao Shun"
black line is between Erebus and Nefertem/Thetis

Interesting thank you. That is very helpful with what I am trying to do. I'm basically trying to force a wormhole like a thargoid. It sounds stupid but if they can do it why can't we. Right? But it has to be done in a specific system. Ao Run And Ao Are going to be tested for a couple days. My next canidate system is Merope 5 star since its tilted in a certain way.

 

[Tifu]

First, credit where credit is due. Thanks to @Beng_Ammon for his thought provoking post on Raaxla which can be found here:

My Raxxla Notes

Thanks too to @Jorki Rasalas for his latest post which helped me pull all my ideas on this together. Below is the key phrase.

I still think Raxxla is hidden on the FD servers and will be downloaded to client machine when/if specific criteria are met. That's the way they originally implemented the Formidine Rift bases; let's hope their testing of Raxxla is better and we dont see a repeat of that BSOD when the criteria are met.

"For years people have been counting the dashed lines, and thinking this is a hexagon.

It is not a hexagon. It is a 3d cube inside a 3dcube. there is a sun astronomical symbol, and a broken up orbit line, surrounded by dashed lines, and 6 green bars." - Ben Ammon

His friend @Inverted Walrus helped him modify the Raaxla logo accordingly to show how it embodies the cube-within-a-cube model.

Ben, then lays out his fascinating theory linking the rays of the main sun with the occlusion of celestial bodies and Raaxla's location within the system. But that isn't the subject of my post. There is another cube-within-a-cube model that depicts how a hyperdimensional object will appear in three dimensional space - the tesseract.

Just as a cube will cast a 2D shadow, the tesseract is the 3D "shadow" of a 4th dimensional object - something existing in N dimensions, in hyperspace. So, what if Raaxla, when we find it, is just part of the real thing which actually exists in hyperspace or witchspace? We see part of it in our 3D reality but when the conditions are right, the whole thing is pulled out of hyperspace and then pops up in the ED universe?

"A place that is not a place, a door that is also a key"

The Raaxla that we see here may just be a tiny part of something else, and that something else may be related to this part of the toast:

" To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void!"

What the visible part of Raaxla is, is the puzzle because it could be anything and hidden anywhere. And one more thing, when I found that hidden structure next to Forester's choice in the Golconda system the telltale warning "Structure Detected!" was not in my flight logs, ED Discovery couldn't find it. There is zero sign of me encountering anything unusual in Golconda at all as far as the logs are concerned. Wouldn't be surprised if Drakkster's logs, even if he had recovered them, would have show nothing at all either

 

[Reyedog]

First, credit where credit is due. Thanks to @Beng_Ammon for his thought provoking post on Raaxla which can be found here:

My Raxxla Notes

Thanks too to @Jorki Rasalas for his latest post which helped me pull all my ideas on this together. Below is the key phrase.


"For years people have been counting the dashed lines, and thinking this is a hexagon.

It is not a hexagon. It is a 3d cube inside a 3dcube. there is a sun astronomical symbol, and a broken up orbit line, surrounded by dashed lines, and 6 green bars." - Ben Ammon

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His friend @Inverted Walrus helped him modify the Raaxla logo accordingly to show how it embodies the cube-within-a-cube model.

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Ben, then lays out his fascinating theory linking the rays of the main sun with the occlusion of celestial bodies and Raaxla's location within the system. But that isn't the subject of my post. There is another cube-within-a-cube model that depicts how a hyperdimensional object will appear in three dimensional space - the tesseract.

View attachment 417334

Just as a cube will cast a 2D shadow, the tesseract is the 3D "shadow" of a 4th dimensional object - something existing in N dimensions, in hyperspace. So, what if Raaxla, when we find it, is just part of the real thing which actually exists in hyperspace or witchspace? We see part of it in our 3D reality but when the conditions are right, the whole thing is pulled out of hyperspace and then pops up in the ED universe?

"A place that is not a place, a door that is also a key"

The Raaxla that we see here may just be a tiny part of something else, and that something else may be related to this part of the toast:

" To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void!"

What the visible part of Raaxla is, is the puzzle because it could be anything and hidden anywhere. And one more thing, when I found that hidden structure next to Forester's choice in the Golconda system the telltale warning "Structure Detected!" was not in my flight logs, ED Discovery couldn't find it. There is zero sign of me encountering anything unusual in Golconda at all as far as the logs are concerned. Wouldn't be surprised if Drakkster's logs, even if he had recovered them, would have show nothing at all either

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If my assumtion about the word being a cordinated guidline of astrometrics this falls in line with it as I'm trying to brute force a set of conditions that could cause this which means slamming into planets. forcing cruises around bodies and stars. Spinning the ship is the same direction the thargoids spin their fins to create their portals. The closest i got to this was in the Ain system around planet 5. Something is pushing and pulling the planet in real time and I almost got some data to show but my chracter blacked out and all i could hear was noises. My ship being damaged and finally my pilots death. So I did something around the planet. I dont think raxxla or its star move. but i think we enter a portal by dumb chance and thats how we get there with a jump. I been doing these experiments on very low fuel as i think that is one of the conditions to be met.


Edit: Something else to note and I dunno if anyone noticed or knew but if you hover your mouse pointer on a planet in system map view or the orrery you can hear planets sing to you.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Interesting. Tesseract has been mooted before but not to your detailed view. It's a possibility.

However the thought that occurred to me last week, another way to hide something without requiring a BodyID (see comet searching in this thread) would be if an NPC HighWaked to Raxxla and left a signal that could (for a brief time) be followed there..it's an obvious way to provide "A place that is not a place, a door that is also a key" that has been in-game from the outset....in which case is the logo a representation of a targeted (the three arcs) HighWake and the hyperspace tunnel?

I did a bit of research looking at the appearance of the tunnel in various game versions but no hexagonality, however that would have been too obvious

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I suspect a certain set of actions would be required in the correct location to trigger the appearance and jumping of that NPC...it would be quite a subtle method of implementing the "Omphalos"

 

[SHEA PARDH]

Interesting. Tesseract has been mooted before but not to your detailed view. It's a possibility.

However the thought that occurred to me last week, another way to hide something without requiring a BodyID (see comet searching in this thread) would be if an NPC HighWaked to Raxxla and left a signal that could (for a brief time) be followed there..it's an obvious way to provide "A place that is not a place, a door that is also a key" that has been in-game from the outset....in which case is the logo a representation of a targeted (the three arcs) HighWake and the hyperspace tunnel?

I did a bit of research looking at the appearance of the tunnel in various game versions but no hexagonality, however that would have been too obvious

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I suspect a certain set of actions would be required in the correct location to trigger the appearance and jumping of that NPC...it would be quite a subtle method of implementing the "Omphalos"

I've done a lot of following wakes on anything sus (I lug Wake Scanner basically everywhere for that exact reason), and this has yet amount to anything. I spent a bunch of time mapping wakes to Datamined Exceptions which have info entry about "something sinister" if you follow them, but my observation so far is that the grade of the material you get from Wake Scanner is mainly based on the jump distance of the ship doing the jump (so, consequently, if you want a bunch of Datamined Wake Exceptions find a system with good traffic that has people going 20 LY often, but personally I prefer to camp some material trader station).

 

[SHEA PARDH]

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I find it interesting that Azimuth Biotech logo is half of this diagram, decomposed.

Azimuth Biotech

Azimuth Biotech, (formerly known as Taurus Mining Ventures) is an independent corporation based at Hind Mine in the T Tauri system. Since its appearance in T Tauri on April 17, 3303, Taurus Mining Ventures (as it was originally known) largely kept out of the public eye. In 3307, however, it was...

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[Jorki Rasalas]

I was intending to do a bit of BH again today but a bad headache got in the way. Feel better knowing that somebody else pitched in but take good care of that wrist and thumb please - don't risk a full blown recurrence.



FD already faced a backlash from people who felt the lockdown should have run it's course without a CG extension - I think they didn't want a stronger adverse reaction.

I also feel that a BH CG would have been appropriate, the push to have the lockdown lifted has been slow going as it is. But there's been more opposition than expected.

Just walked the copawlot, got back & checked Inara- now in Infrastructure Failure. Maybe needs machinery & food deliveries to recover?

edit
nope, still in Lockdown! Wonder where Inara got that info from??

 

[Neestar]

I still think Raxxla is hidden on the FD servers and will be downloaded to client machine when/if specific criteria are met.

bingo ^ , that's always been my hunch too
( otherwise super-gamers who datamine the code would've discovered SOME type of clue by now after 10+ years )

That's the way they originally implemented the Formidine Rift bases; let's hope their testing of Raxxla is better and we dont see a repeat of that BSOD when the criteria are met.

i wasn't around then in-game yet , so can you explain/elaborate ? ( or is there some old forum thread link as to what happened? )

From the "Turning the Wheel Thread". Several independent efforts (including The Great Raaxla Potato Hunt) seem to be reaching the final stages.

"independent efforts" , as in PLAYER initiated ( player driven ) ... Is this why the DW codex entry has that last line about "or merely an oppotunistic immitator" ?

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

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i wasn't around then in-game yet , so can you explain/elaborate ? ( or is there some old forum thread link as to what happened? )

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There should be old forum threads but cant remember which- Han_Zen has aa better memory than me

Project Dynasty

Project Dynasty was a secret exploration initiative conceived by The Club in 3270. In response to the likelihood of a Thargoid civil war spilling into human space, The Club sought potential safe havens where humanity could flee in order to escape the conflict and survive. Project Dynasty was...

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Watch the videos, heres the first:

Source: https://youtu.be/fdoSTweGU70?si=eZJtThrCs-y64Zin

Read his novels Elite Reclamation & then Premonition

When we started searching out in the Rift we found the beacons, but then searching the planets there was a network load spike (detectable if you had a HDD rather than an SSD- improvised sensor suite! ) but people then had the Microsoft Blue Screen of Death as the machine crashed. Turned out there was a problem with the downloaded files for the planetary bases...FD fixed it and we started to find the FR bases. Others were later found in the Conflux and Hawking's Gap. Twas a good mystery ending with an in-game event which caused a lot of contoversy.

 

[SHEA PARDH]

There is nothing in ED lore (i.e. codex, Tourist Beacons, FD livestreams etc) that says Raxxla is a planet that moves. That was a narrative feature in Drew Wagar's fan fiction series - good reads but not relevant. It may not even be representative of Holdstock's original concept - there is no evidence that it would/should be... DB said "of course Raxxla is in-game, but you dont know what it is"

Correct. However, my point here is that if they decided to move the whole thing and it was a planet, it wouldn't even be a blatant retcon.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

It may be a planet - there was an FD response to a question that implied as much (@Rochester may remember it), but whether it moves or not is a different matter. Of course all planets move in their orbits, but only (so far) in Drew's fan-fiction books does one have a planetary-level fsd. Some people have mooted the possibility to "explain" why it hasn't been found yet, without explaining why they haven't exhaustively explored (in normal space) all the planetary rings (potentially a very good hiding place!) within the bubble

But conceivably the "omphalos" route to it might easily move around

 

[Rochester]

I think it's time to quit procrastinating and read Paradise Lost from end to end. Not getting any younger, and this is definitely in my bucket list

If the original is too deep try M Brookes recommendation via his blog:

Paradise Lost: Parallel Prose Edition, Dennis Danielson.

It’s a very broad interpretation, but it’s a good jumping off point. I would try looking up various word and references to jump to certain sections, which convey the dimensions of Milton’s universe.

 

[Rochester]

It may be a planet - there was an FD response to a question that implied as much (@Rochester may remember it), but whether it moves or not is a different matter. Of course all planets move in their orbits, but only (so far) in Drew's fan-fiction books does one have a planetary-level fsd. Some people have mooted the possibility to "explain" why it hasn't been found yet, without explaining why they haven't exhaustively explored (in normal space) all the planetary rings (potentially a very good hiding place!) within the bubble

But conceivably the "omphalos" route to it might easily move around

They did respond to a Cmdrs question and called it a “planet”.

Eg ‘plane’ - ‘t’

As to if that was intentional or not remains an unknown.

Drews various concepts about Raxxla have not been publicly confirmed canon; considering that fact he’s never been employed by FD to my knowledge to develop game lore, unlike others; so I would put all ‘fan theories’ safely out of our minds. They are unreliable at best.

 

[CMDR ALFAROSSA]

I have already written once about the codex itself and its various translations into other languages. The English version does not say that Raxla is a planet, although the Russian translation of the codex says explicitly, "the myth of the legendary planet Raxla."(by the way, when translating, it is written with one X, this is for those who believe that the word itself has something in itself, there are many theories (I write through Google translator)) And I've requested technical support on this issue, no, it's not a mistake, the text of the Russian version is correct. Look at what is said in other languages, I'm curious if there are differences there too. I'm just saying that the context is changing dramatically. When reading the English version, people don't know what they are looking for, when reading the Russian version, they directly tell you "planet". It's weird and very confusing. Plus the information itself and the game conventions... There is a dark wheel in the game, but it is supposedly the wrong "wheel". There is a Soontil who is indirectly connected with this story, but he is supposedly not the same Soontil. I'm already afraid that the Raxxla from the codex is not the Raxxla we are looking for)))Just a joke for the spite of the day, sorry, but the fact is...) I want to ask the experts, what if the information in the code is outdated? There are also suggestions and theories that the developers have hidden, moved, and so on the "old version of Raxxla", and the hints (if they are in the codex) have not been updated. Commander Rochester's thoughts led me to the last thought.