The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Rochester]

I generally feel the over emphasis or reliance on audio to hide clues is very unreliable, considering some customers will have hearing impairments, or basic audio set ups, or at least play with audio turned down.

However it must be reiterated that the sound design in ED is truly astounding, I unfortunately can’t always enjoy it myself, I was in game the other night and just spent 15 mins just listening to everything. As a backer I do recall how sound was key in designing the game, so I am in agreement there’s probably going to be something about Raxxla which is audio based.

Considering all this, the old DW missions talked off the silent spheres and the outer rim, these I’m certain were Miltonian paraphrastic renditions, doubly so when considered against the toast and the Brookes tours. It’s ironic because said song of the spheres was silent to human ears!

The whisper in which space, could that be the silent song?

 

[Han_Zen]

I've tried Henrietta Swan Leavitt as well, with no results. I'm more convinced that it referes to an actual astronomic object than a person.

That's easy. Swan -> Cygnus, brow -> Albireo(beta Cygnus, the head / beak of the swan).

Located perfectly in the Milkyway band, looking towards the centre.

The cosmic egg, laid by a swan / hen / goose is one of the most common creation motifs. Cygnus represents all these bird in various cultures.

Mythological Motifs: Cosmic Egg Symbolism in Creation Stories | Anny Papatheodorou, Certified IFS Therapist | San Francisco Bay Area

The symbolism of the Cosmic Egg, found in many myth cosmogonies, depicting the Universe as hatched from an egg.

www.triplemoonpsychotherapy.com

Everything fits, if you look hard enough.

 

[Rochester]

Everything fits, if you look hard enough.

A good point, we’ve all fallen down this rabbit hole, given the absence of data. Which is why I’ve come to suspect the ‘author’ aka Brookes, didn’t intentionally follow typical contextualisation, much of my recent analysis is from a behavioural aspect of backcasting, where I’m looking at the various influences Brookes communicated directly, I strongly suspect those were key factors and that he was intentionally dropping hints all this time. If so this could shift / restrict the cone of plausibility.

 

[Darrack]

Someone mentioned it early, but I can't find it. I do wonder if Raxxla is just the phonetic representation for something else, like RXLA, but then why have two xes?

I don't think we need to look to deep into the name, Raxxla came before Elite, it was in the book by Steven Eisler (Robert Holdstock) published in 1980.
The name plus other stuff (The Dark Wheel) was just used in the Novella as recycling ideas he already had.
If Raxxla has any reference to systems/places in game then those places are based on the name and not the other way around (Raxxla was not invented as an anagram/clue to systems or places in Elite), if you get what i mean.

O7

 

[Rochester]

I don't think we need to look to deep into the name, Raxxla came before Elite, it was in the book by Steven Eisler (Robert Holdstock) published in 1980.
The name plus other stuff (The Dark Wheel) was just used in the Novella as recycling ideas he already had.
If Raxxla has any reference to systems/places in game then those places are based on the name and not the other way around (Raxxla was not invented as an anagram/clue to systems or places in Elite), if you get what i mean.

O7

Very true O7

I do suspect though that the ED author (Brookes) has looked back to the works of Holdstock to develop and flesh out Raxxla beyond its 1984 occurrence.

I believe the ‘concept’ of Raxxla as described by Holdstock was not simply just a throw away pulp reference, but that it evolved from his thematic works, and it is this which FD have developed.

Namely that this ‘ghost world’ is in some abstract sense a mystical lost realm, as Holstock alludes to in his other work ‘Lost Realms’ that such concepts of Atlantis or the Cities of Gold are examples of ‘Otherworlds’ similar to that of equal to Eden.

I speculate then that such contextual development would have assisted the author in developing the contemporary concept of Raxxla and where is might reside?

 

[Rochester]

Question for our Druidic Cmdrs who will have more insight. I’m looking for directional linguistic relationships to various entities (out of game references only, not ED based, I know where these systems are). Please no AI nonsense either, I request only applicable trustworthy identifiers, AI will spit out any old crap, and please if none exists do please confirm. O7.

I’m looking towards establishing a theory, these entities don’t generate anything themselves, but their positions in game might, if it can be contextually confirmed.

Lugh
Brigid
Dagda
Morrigan = West?
Taranis
Danu

 

[SHEA PARDH]

I've done a pass to map variables in Cygni to in game systems and distances. Full list below. Surprisingly, there are some with HIP reference which do not exist in game. There is one system close-ish to the bubble but looks well trekked in EDSM. There is one system 36kLY from the bubble which does not appear in EDSM. The distances are rounded to nearest 100LY (since bubble itself is larger anyway).

ID	HR/HIP/BD	Distance		ID	HR/HIP/BD	Distance		ID	HR/HIP/BD	Distance
V924__Cyg	HIP 96596	2400		V2476_Cyg				V1334_Cyg	HR 8157	2200
SU____Cyg	HR 7518	6400		V495__Cyg	HIP 99887			V532__Cyg	HIP 105369	4300
EP____Cyg				V2525_Cyg				V609__Cyg
V1154_Cyg	HIP 97439	4000		V396__Cyg				V2340_Cyg
EU____Cyg				V1046_Cyg				V1077_Cyg
SV____Vul	HD 187921	4100		V438__Cyg				V1726_Cyg	BD+48 3398
EX____Cyg				V1319_Cyg				V621__Cyg
IY____Cyg				KX____Cyg	NGC 6910 107	3700		V2835_Cyg
QQ____Cyg				V383__Cyg	HIP 101035	770		V733__Cyg
V547__Cyg				SZ____Cyg	HD 196018	3300		V3149_Cyg
EZ____Cyg				V1788_Cyg				V538__Cyg	HIP 106754	36200
QY____Cyg				X_____Cyg	X Cygni	5000		V1090_Cyg
V1020_Cyg				BZ____Cyg	BD+44 3571			V2650_Cyg
GH____Cyg	HIP 98376	3400		V514__Cyg				V2651_Cyg
GI____Cyg				V3065_Cyg				V1397_Cyg
V1025_Cyg				V1662_Cyg				VZ____Cyg	HIP 107899	1700
V2232_Cyg				V347__Cyg				V1482_Cyg
GL____Cyg				V1533_Cyg
V1467_Cyg				V520__Cyg	HIP 103241	3650
V343__Cyg				V2565_Cyg
CD____Cyg	HD 227463	5000		VX____Cyg	HIP 103433	6000
V1033_Cyg				TX____Cyg	HIP 103656
V554__Cyg				V1543_Cyg
V1364_Cyg				V2568_Cyg
V402__Cyg	HD 227959	21800		VY____Cyg	HIP 104002
V492__Cyg				V2201_Cyg
V2903_Cyg				DT____Cyg	DT Cygni	1700
MW____Cyg	HIP 99567			V356__Cyg
V1043_Cyg				V459__Cyg	HIP 104564	8600
V2475_Cyg				V386__Cyg	HIP 104877	1500

 

[SHEA PARDH]

That's easy. Swan -> Cygnus, brow -> Albireo(beta Cygnus, the head / beak of the swan).

Located perfectly in the Milkyway band, looking towards the centre.

The cosmic egg, laid by a swan / hen / goose is one of the most common creation motifs. Cygnus represents all these bird in various cultures.

Mythological Motifs: Cosmic Egg Symbolism in Creation Stories | Anny Papatheodorou, Certified IFS Therapist | San Francisco Bay Area

The symbolism of the Cosmic Egg, found in many myth cosmogonies, depicting the Universe as hatched from an egg.

www.triplemoonpsychotherapy.com

Everything fits, if you look hard enough.

There is a neutron star very close to Albireo: HIP 96115

 

[Darrack]

Question for our Druidic Cmdrs who will have more insight. I’m looking for directional linguistic relationships to various entities (out of game references only, not ED based, I know where these systems are). Please no AI nonsense either, I request only applicable trustworthy identifiers, AI will spit out any old crap, and please if none exists do please confirm. O7.

I’m looking towards establishing a theory, these entities don’t generate anything themselves, but their positions in game might, if it can be contextually confirmed.

Lugh
Brigid
Dagda
Morrigan = West?
Taranis
Danu

Lugh is a shortened version of Lugh Lamh-Fada if you follow the Irish (Inisfail), he was the god of the sun, military and the harvest.
His name was discredited by the Christian church, mocked and turned into what many now call a Leprechaun.
He was also a deity for the Gaulish druids.
There is no real relation to direction other than Ireland being in the west.

Brigid and the Dagda were there at the beginning of Druidic creation (The Ever-Living Ones), the offspring of Danu and Bile (the world tree).
This is commonly believed to be around the area which we call the Danube today (the Celts migrated west from there to the UK area).

The Morrigan is the goddess of Earth but will also command the pagan armies should they need help in great battles.
She led the Children of Danu on the Plain Of Towers (New years eve 31st October) in the battle against Balor the one eye but in many texts she is also seen as a type of 'life guide' offering advice (often in the form of riddles) to travellers.
Again no real relation to direction.

Taranis is the only real link he is the god of thunder (Thor to our Nordic brothers) and linked to Mars although the later is disputed as ancient folks would have had no knowledge of Mars at all around that time.

This is all detailed in many books i have but the two easiest scources would be:
The Mysteries Of Druidry - Brendan Cathbad Myers
Celtic Myths and Legends - Peter Berresford Ellis

O7

 

[Rochester]

Lugh is a shortened version of Lugh Lamh-Fada if you follow the Irish (Inisfail), he was the god of the sun, military and the harvest.
His name was discredited by the Christian church, mocked and turned into what many now call a Leprechaun.
He was also a deity for the Gaulish druids.
There is no real relation to direction other than Ireland being in the west.

Brigid and the Dagda were there at the beginning of Druidic creation (The Ever-Living Ones), the offspring of Danu and Bile (the world tree).
This is commonly believed to be around the area which we call the Danube today (the Celts migrated west from there to the UK area).

The Morrigan is the goddess of Earth but will also command the pagan armies should they need help in great battles.
She led the Children of Danu on the Plain Of Towers (New years eve 31st October) in the battle against Balor the one eye but in many texts she is also seen as a type of 'life guide' offering advice (often in the form of riddles) to travellers.
Again no real relation to direction.

Taranis is the only real link he is the god of thunder (Thor to our Nordic brothers) and linked to Mars although the later is disputed as ancient folks would have had no knowledge of Mars at all around that time.

This is all detailed in many books i have but the two easiest scources would be:
The Mysteries Of Druidry - Brendan Cathbad Myers
Celtic Myths and Legends - Peter Berresford Ellis

O7

Cool. I was looking at these locations in game and was trying to ascribe them direction because they seemed to align with other direction associated entities.

Evidently not, thanks for confirming my suspicions.

 

[Robert Rockbite]

That seems to presume a VR setup, is that right?

Some additional verification that it is not just an artifact of VR sound production seems to be needed, then.

What I meant was "look around cockpit".
Check for key bind "headlook", "free head movement" or something like that.

No special visual setup used or required.
Normal stereo headphones for audio, 2 channels, no fancy surround thingy.
Headphones are not required but will probably enhance directional perception compared to speakers.

 

[SHEA PARDH]

This is the "song" from HIP 96115 B. This is a very low frequency neutron star, with ticks every ~50 seconds (one of the smoothest beams I've seen in the game). As far as I can tell, the actual song and sound is the same as for the faster neutron stars mentioned above. Just the tick frequency is different.

 

[SHEA PARDH]

If we're taking neutron stars as the main candidate, then one other thing worth mentioning is that while in supercruise and moving close to any of them or the beam, they make a lot of "whooshing" noise (similar to a hyperjump but basically more intense) - which everyone who's ever made a neutron jump I'm sure has heard. To a large degree any of them could tick off the boxes of the toast except for the "jewel", "grief", and "woe" - they all sing, and they all whisper, and arguably they are all sought after by the travellers.

Where this doesn't quite match up is the lore part since I don't think they were particularly useful with the "legacy" hyperdrives - they only became very useful with FSD, but whether FDEV actually cared about this detail, who knows.

 

[Reyedog]

I'm looking at this a bit differently atm.

: Right Ascension Axis

: Acceleration Axis

: Double X Axis

: Longitudinal Axis

It's a shot in the dark but what if we add that up to a object that can be traveled to. Don't some of the space stations have FSP numbers and radio signals? What if those are needed to get some kind of cordinates that triangulate a position in space. I hate math. But I was pondering if the word Raxxla wasn't the meaning of a place or a thing but how to get to said thing. Like a guidline to the rest of the toast. | I know thats the point of how we been cracking the rest of the toast but we never put thought into what raxxla meant. I'll prob update this part of the post more but I wonder if something can be applied to the signals that drive people nuts combined with a thargoid wormhole.

 

[Tifu]

Cross posting this here in case anyone was planning to turn in their explo data to the current CG:

source: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...tive-exploration.633408/page-19#post-10548364

 

[Tifu]

There's also this:

source: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...tive-exploration.633408/page-18#post-10548270

 

[SHEA PARDH]

At this point I gave up on this CG, I think most other people, too.

 

[Tifu]

At this point I gave up on this CG, I think most other people, too.

I'll just let people here know once we've broken the lockdown - in case anyone changes their mind.