DLC 19 Speculation
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The macaque has (if I remember correctly).
My head says it'll be a coyote statue, but I'm going with my gut on this one and saying coati statue instead
I'm actually hopeful for:
Bighorn. Yes I know we have tons of Caprine statues but none of them are sheep...
Edit to also say: Howling Coyote would be awesome too!
Along with that some kind of hay ride would be nice
the fact that frontier is a standard british company and therefore are not in the office on weekends plus the fact that we have never gotten an announcement on the weekend.
It is such an underrated choice my continent / country have more agouti in captivity than mara and coati combined and aside from monkeys and domestics I believe it is the most common south American mammal we dont have capybara beating it slightly.
Also this is a hot take but a south america pack has never and probably will never be high on my list of wants because the animals are just not common where im from.
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Funnily enough I’ve never seen agoutis but both South American coati and Patagonian mara are kept locally - in fact, I believe both species are only kept around Adelaide now in regards to Australian zoos (unless Hunter Valley still has mara?). Gorge Wildlife Park recently lost their coatis so I think it’s just Adelaide Zoo that has them now, meanwhile both Gorge and Adelaide still have maras. Given Adelaide Zoo has Patagonian maras, the last Australian coatis as well as the last Brazilian tapirs (alongside more commonly kept SA animals like squirrel monkeys, tamarins, macaws, capybaras and maned wolves) it’s probably one of the best places to see South American animals in Australia now.
I keep seeing that Gorge Wildlife Park apparently has agoutis but I cannot for the life of me work out where they are, if Zootierliste and Zoochat aren’t lying to me of course. The National Zoo and Aquarium had also just removed theirs when I visited in 2023 (them being one of the main new species I wanted to see there alongside Sri Lankan leopard) so I think I might just be cursed when it comes to seeing agoutis lol.
the only non primate south american mammals I have seen are capybara and agouti. I saw the agouti at shoalhaven zoo in north nowra which as far as I know still has them. Adelaide zoo probably has one of the best international collections in australia and I have always wanted to go see it.
In regards to the whole rhino thing, if it really had to be between African rhinos, I feel like the black rhino is the one which should have had priority. More of a historical precedence in zoo games and of much more conservation importance than the white rhino.
That being said, I think it would be silly not to have all three captive rhinos in a roster of over 200 animals. It's only three slots out of such a large number.
With the announcement hopefully only 2-3 days away, these are my lists for the final inclusions -
Dream Outcome:
- Any extra New World monkey (especially Golden Lion Tamarin)
- White-Nosed Coati if we still get ABB later on, otherwise American Black Bear
- Ocelot
- South American Coati
- Any caiman
- Vicuña or Guanaco
- Gray Fox
- White-Tailed Deer
- Marsh Deer (only held in South America, while other deer are held on multiple continents. Just give us Père David's later on if we get a wetland deer)
- Patagonian Mara (it's an okay choice, but doesn't appeal to me personally. Coati + mara is still as close to an objectively wide-appeal outcome as we could get)
- Any duck (probably my most-needed animal before end of support)
- Argentine Black-and-White Tegu
- Cuban or Orinoco Crocodile (we need a second true croc, we're 5 1/2 years into the game's lifespan with only salties)
- Scarlet Ibis (would be pining for it, if not for the flamingo)
- Any armadillo
- Any brocket (less charismatic and less realistic than pudu for the same niche)
- Bobcat (why would they choose it over ocelot?)
- Brazilian Tapir (although less so than the others)
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I also don’t think coyote headliner = the two unrevealed are less exciting than coyote (and I love the coyote!). Headliners are subjective, like for the following, I would have picked:
North America pack - Beaver (Moose)
Wetlands - Capybara (ASCO)
Grasslands - Armadillo (Maned wolf)
Tropical - Lar (Fossa)
Oceania - Kiwi (Tas devil)
Eurasia - Wisent (Wolverine or swan)
Headliner animal has no rhyme or reason, and it’s not always the heaviest hitter in the pack.
North America pack - Beaver (Moose)
Wetlands - Capybara (ASCO)
Grasslands - Armadillo (Maned wolf)
Tropical - Lar (Fossa)
Oceania - Kiwi (Tas devil)
Eurasia - Wisent (Wolverine or swan)
Headliner animal has no rhyme or reason, and it’s not always the heaviest hitter in the pack.
For statues, out of the chosen animals I think rhea and saki are the best choices by far. I use NW monkeys in pretty much every zoo so a statue to go with them would be used a lot, and as already said the rhea could pass as an ostrich.
If they choose one of the other ones, I ironically wouldn’t bummed by the flamingo for one sole purpose: I like putting statues in groups and the model will probably be similar enough to the greater flamingo to pass as an alternate pose. Placing the flamingo statues alone always felt weird to me but placing them together just looked bad since they’re all in that same, very specific stance lol. Could totally see why others would hate it though and I think it’s the least likely anyways.
If they choose one of the other ones, I ironically wouldn’t bummed by the flamingo for one sole purpose: I like putting statues in groups and the model will probably be similar enough to the greater flamingo to pass as an alternate pose. Placing the flamingo statues alone always felt weird to me but placing them together just looked bad since they’re all in that same, very specific stance lol. Could totally see why others would hate it though and I think it’s the least likely anyways.
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Other than the first and the last one i think the rest were picked correctly by Frontier.
Capybara, armadillo and kiwi are all popular and very recognizable animals. Capybara and kiwi in particular are meme cute animals. And yes the ASCO is cute but capybara beats it's popularity by a long shot so between a generic looking otter vs the more recognizable capy, the latter was the right choice and it makes sense.
Fossa and devil are weird looking animal and if you never saw one before You would be scratching your head trying to figure out what they are exactly ( a lot people see civets or the Fossa and think they are cats). Plus neither of them look particulary friendly (so not the best flagship animal for a pack), specially when there are much more "cuter" options in the pack.
For NA could have been anything really, but again the cute and popular factor of the beaver makes sense.
The one that it still baffles me is the Eurasia pack. It was clearly directed to european players that would recognize the wisent, because the obvious choice to me for a very recognizable and beautiful popular animal in that pack was clearly the swan.
But i do agree that flagship animals don't need to be the most exciting or popular of a pack (for the most part) but they need to be recognizable, straight forward and visually appealing (most time that meas cute).
Only Adelaide has Mara now. I think it’s the best zoo in Australia, collection-variety wise, dying to visit!
Dubbo used to have a mixed Mara and Rhea exhibit that was very cool, and I never saw either species there ever again.
Hunter Valley has a great variety of SA monkeys, and they have maned wolves. Visibility of the monkeys is tricky because they’re all behind mesh.
My honest reaction if they put the coyote as the reward statue:
I want mirrored statues. Please, Frontier, give us mirrored variants of the reward statues
In this case, I think armadillos are much more well known for the general public than maned wolves. I had never heard of the wolves until I joined this forum for example.
In the current day zoos are doing a ton of great work with the black rhinoceros, but we can't forget that a few years ago the roles were reversed! Back in the day black rhinos where more common than the southern white rhinoceroses, they were incredibly close to extinction. If we have to thank anyone for the current population is the captive stock that was kept around the time.
I feel like all three rhinos we currently have in the game have value when it comes to a zoo game, all three of them can be exhibited in vastly different ways.