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Analyzing required animals by Taxonomical group
I mean considering it had a head start into recent times with 2 monkeys compared to one each for africa and SA, and overall has the smallest monkey diversity out of the three id say its actually not that surpring its the first one with a decent monkey line up.
Fair and depressing that we needed what? 6 Years? God damnI mean considering it had a head start into recent times with 2 monkeys compared to one each for africa and SA, and overall has the smallest monkey diversity out of the three id say its actually not that surpring its the first one with a decent monkey line up.
Now if only South America had a decent monkey lineup. And the mara. And the coati...I mean considering it had a head start into recent times with 2 monkeys compared to one each for africa and SA, and overall has the smallest monkey diversity out of the three id say its actually not that surpring its the first one with a decent monkey line up.
Shorebirds:
Not a particularly important group but there are a couple of nice to have inclusions. The Atlantic Puffin is definitely the most significant member of this group however a lapwing would also be kind of nice maybe the Blacksmith or Masked
Suliformes:
Again an even less significant group the only one I would really appreciate would be any kind of Cormorant
Sunbittern:
The Sunbittern would be a nice little oddball in tropical houses but there are plenty of other higher priority birds that fill a similar niche
The others Petrels, Loons, Tropicbirds and Kagus have very limited captive presence and I don't think any of them are worthwhile inclusions.
Bustards:
One of these would be a nice to have inclusion, I haven't seen any of them though and don't really have a preference as to which
Turacos:
A fairly important group but only 1 species really stands out to me the White Cheeked Turaco is fairly essential and I feel 1 or 2 others would be nice to have but I don't really mind which
Trogon:
Not a very important group the Collared Trogon would be nice to have though
Piciformes:
Obviously the Toco Toucan is one of the most essential flying birds and an absolute must, another Toucan such as the Keel Billed might also be nice. I am a bit conflicted on Woodpeckers but ultimately I don't think we need any in game
Coraciiformes:
The Laughing Kookaburra is another absolutely essential bird, at least 1 Bee-eater would be nice to have but I would like to get both the European and Northern Carmine. Again like woodpeckers, kingfishers aren't really zoo birds so I would be fine if they get passed over
Columbimorphs:
Well the Victoria Crowned Pigeon and Nicobar Pigeon are essential and I would like a couple of smaller species for walkthrough tropical bird enclosures but I don't have any preferences
The Cukoos and Cukoo roller aren't really needed as far as I am concerned
Really has been a long time coming hasnt it? As a monkey fan it has been a painfull time
Yeah, to be completely honest i dont think we will get there, regarding the decent monkey lineup that is. For SA to be in a decent place i think we would need like 5 in total maybe? Say a tamarin, the squirrel and one of howler and spider monkey to have both the numbers and variety. And idk, seems a little to optimistic at this point.
Getting another before the end is a real possibilty i think, especially since they have a good run at them moment with the monkeys.
Atleast where at a point where the monkey situation overall isnt hot garbage anymore and thats honestly more than i ever dreamed of
Same. Personally I think just 1 or 2 more monkeys would make it way more varied than the 2 we currently have. Not dissing the capuchin or saki, though; both are excellent choices in my opinion, but for true variety we'd need 1 or 2 more.Atleast where at a point where the monkey situation overall isnt hot garbage anymore and thats honestly more than i ever dreamed of
Squirrel monkey and howler are among the easiest, in my opinion.
The spider monkey is cool, but could Frontier realistically give them the ability to move with their tail? I know the binturong can hang, but I dunno. I feel like if they were to add a spider monkey, the only way it'd use its tail like that would be for a resting animation
Owls:
- Burrowing Owl
- Barn Owl
- Snow Owl
- Eurasian Eagle Owl
- Secretary Bird
- Bald Eagle
- California Condor
- King Vulture
- Turkey Vulture
- Rüppell’s Griffon Vulture
- Egyptian Vulture
- Bearded Vulture
- African Fish Eagle
- Red-Tailed Hawk
- Harris's Hawk
- Peregrine Falcon
- Lanner Falcon
- Crested Caracara
- Speckled Mousebird and/or Blue-Naped Mousebird
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OH. My favorite group of birds:
Owls:
- Burrowing owl
- Snowy owl
- Great grey owl
- Eurasian eagle owl
- Barn owl
In think those 5 would cover all the important and bigger ones and most of them have a big range so will work for a lot of places. I still sustain that burrowing owl could work as habitat animlas right now but oh well.
Diurnal birds of prey:
Eagles:
- Bald eagle
- Harpy eagle
- Golden eagle
- Steller sea eagle
- African fish eagle
- Philipine eagle
In think those are really the most iconic and important ones. Bald, harpy and golden are a must, and i would argue that also the phillipine eagle both because is the importance of it's conservation and because is an icon fo the phillipines.
Hawks:
- Red tailed hawk
- Osprey
Are the only two i can think of the top of my head so i guess they are important haha
Falcons:
- Crested caracara
- Peregrine falcon
- Gyrfalcon (i just think they are so cool)
- American kestrel?
The caracara is a must for me. So very common in the wild around here. Peregrine falcons are everywhere and would add another urban bird of prey.
Vultures:
- Andean condor
- Californian condor
- Lammergeier
- Griffon vulture
- Ruppell's vulture
- White backed vulture
- King vulture
- Turkey vutlure
- Black vulture
- Egyptian vulture
The ones with the
are the ones i deem essential. Turkey and black vultures are also extremely common all through out the americas but would be more of filling species (even just ambient ones lol). Both condors are essential.And i don't know what mousebirds are so i can't comment on those.
Tamarin. I really want a tamarin. Either as a walk-through exhibit or as a habitat animal.
I want a howler real bad. Then a tamarin. And the a squirrel monkey. I can deal with no spider monkey.
That got me thinking about the primates in game:
Africa has 9 primates: 4 lemurs, 1 baboon, 1 monkey, 3 great apes
Asia has 6: 3 monkeys (2 macaques, 1 langur) and 3 great apes (2 gibbons and the orangutan)
Americas has 2: 2 monkeys.
We really still need much more in primate variety for the Americas, so i think is only fair to ask for at least 3 more. Of course Africa could do with at least one "classic" monkey... but the continent as a whole is not in such a dire situation as the americas are.
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- Owls:
- Snowy Owl: Iconic of the arctic, and Hedwig would be nice to have.
- Eurasian Eagle Owl: I think this is the biggest owl. It is definitely iconic, popular, and common in zoos.
- Burrowing Owl: Adds an interesting owl for North and South America.
- Barn Owl: Iconic with a good range, popular, and common in zoos.
- Sooty or Powerful or Boobook or other Australasian owl: I think Australia should have an owl, too, but I don't know which one(s) are important to those players.
- Barred, Great-Horned, and Screech Owl: These owls are super common in NA zoos and wildlife centers. I see them all of the time and would love to have them in PZ.
- Buffy Fish Owl: This pretty owl is from SEA. I saw one in Singapore, and I think they'd be nice.
- Spectacled or Crested Owl: Another interesting owl from South America would be nice
- Eagles:
- Bald Eagle: This icon is critical for NA rep. If PZ gets flying birds, almost all of us are going to expect and hope for this one. It is also very common in zoos.
- Golden Eagle: They are also popular and rather iconic. Their distribution is great. Many eagles look like this one.
- Harpy Eagle: They look interesting and would be iconic for South America.
- Stellar's Sea Eagle: A popular eagle for East Asia.
- Philippine Eagle: Good conservation species.
- African Fish Eagle: Adds a nice eagle for Africa
- Vultures: They require more space than many other bird options, but at least one would be very important if at all possible.
- White-Backed Vulture or Rüppell's Vulture: A big brown vulture is the first thing that comes to mind when I think of birds of prey for Africa, so I think one of these would be the best choice if we only get one vulture.
- Andean Condor: I've seen this one a few times, and it is an important symbol of conservation for non-tropical South America. I think it is essential, too.
- Bearded Vulture: This one is popular and iconic for Europe and Asia. It would be pretty good, too.
- King Vulture: I love the colors on this one, and I've seen it a few times.
- California Condor: This would add one for North America that represents a current, successful conservation project.
- Turkey Vultures: They are somewhat common in zoos, but I don't find them very exciting or interesting among vultues.
- Egyptian Vulture: I think this one looks different enough from the others to warrant inclusion.
- Secretarybird: It is the most popular species right now. Personally, I think a grey crowned crane would be a bit better, comparably popular, and certainly easier to make, but the most popular species should be marked as essential at least. It was so cool in ZT2.
- Falcons/Caracaras:
- Peregrine Falcon: It has range, popularity, and is common in zoos. It would be a great choice.
- Crested Caracara: neat and somewhat common in zoos.
- Gyrfalcon: pretty
- Aplomado, Merlin, and Kestrel: good for falcon variety if there is room for them.
- Osprey: It is iconic and has a huge range. I think this bird is underrated.
- Hawks/Buzzards:
- Red-Tailed Hawk: The voice actor for the bald eagle is actually rather common in zoos.
- Common Buzzard, Harrier, and Cooper's Hawks: nice hawks for variety.
- Mousebirds: Taxonomically a bit interesting, so I wouldn't mind them, but I don't think they are necessary.
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can compensate for this with his ability to brachiate.
Even then, Although it is too soon to return to South America, it would be good if the New World Monkeys could have their chance to enter a future DLC.
And if the Howler Monkey, Squirrel Monkey and Night Monkey manage to get in, even better.
But what makes the monkey unique is its tail usage. It'd be like the sifaka without its iconic hopping locomotion. Yeah, it's technically doable, but then what's the point of adding it anyway.
I have noticed how the Siamangs and the Gibones when Braquean turn or turn with their feet to get on the branches. They could do something similar to use the tail. And it should be noted that howler monkeys also have prehensile tails
Perhaps anecdotal, but I've never seen a howler using its tail for locomotion purposes. Conversely, I don't think I've ever seen a spider monkey that was climbing and wasn't using its tail. Similarly to the gibbons, though, I think it would be an okay concession if they simply got a unique climbing tail-based animation on the gibbon climbing frames, but I also suspect that might be a bit too high effort to realistically expect at this point.
I agree I think the howler can work without extensive tail climbing
Tomorrow we'll go to the next one, and I'll sum this one today, so anyone still wanting to participate is welcome