External View [A definitive discussion]
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MWO doesn't work out, because they made basically "Battlefield 26" (32nd Century Edition) and missed major part of the promises they made, like "large Maps", useful gameplay for scout lances, tactical use of LRM and Arrow IV systems.
What people have is cramped maps, with maze like cites/canyons/ice caves (you name it) and weapons ranges that usually get down to a close quarter shooting match with hide and seek in the maze. A totally different game than a flight sim or space sim, btw.
Compare Mechwarrior Online to Mechwarrior 2 or 3 and just look at the tactical differences and you know what MWO's problem is... With the Arcade close range approach of MW4 everything went downhill.
The problem is not so much the "external view" than the utterly bad designed maps and gameplay.
And about "research" I did research a lot before buying E: D Beta Alas, nowhere was even a hint, they won't have an external view! Even the latest Release Trailer, yet again gives us a E: D 1.1 promo video with gorgeous external views from in game engine, with no pointer that it is not from the real game, but a Developers "Fake", only!
A very representing 4 seconds(!) of actual in-cockpit view, like how you actually play the game, the rest is EXTERNAL camera... seems Frontier themselves isn't very fond of the "first person only" idea for exciting new players about the game... and, well I'm not really excited, these exciting visuals are missing in my gameplay! Sorry, but I feel cheated.
False advertising, anybody?
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Visuals were promoted heavily in all trailers.... but most of them are missing due lack of external view. So add it... in 1.2 !!!
These are called straw man arguments. For example.....
They do not show you what weapons are hitting you, the angle they are hitting you, if they are gimbled or fixed (you can tell the difference I hope) and the easiest direction to avoid fire. That doesn't happen with instrument flying, at all.
Your arguments are horrible and you should feel bad.
Glad this thread is still active, I added the new decal to my ship today (first time in game since 1.1) and almost went to the store to buy a paintjob to set it off then I remembered it was pointless becuase there was no way to actually see it fully or take a picture of it.
Actually, if you read through the entire thread, he has basically summarized every argument that was put forward in this megathread and countered them, so these are no straw man arguments, but a summary of what people have actually mentioned before.
Once again - disabling weapons fire control, HUD, and flight control whilst in 3rd person view basically negates any argument about 'advantage '.
I have to agree, an external view is a must. I feel it would really benefit the enjoyability of the game. I want to be able to enjoy the awesome visuals of the game, to see my ship with a gas giant in the background checking out my cool new decal. Without this there really is no point in the paint jobs, and the great ship models are not able to be fully appreciated.
Being able to take screenshots or visuals from an external camera really should be something coming soon. I dont care if weapons etc need to be offline, whatever it takes to keep people happy and get this implemented.
Being able to take screenshots or visuals from an external camera really should be something coming soon. I dont care if weapons etc need to be offline, whatever it takes to keep people happy and get this implemented.
True, they are just really bad answers to them.
I have no problem if weapons are off, but there seems to be a good number who thinks they should be on.
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Yeah no... that stuff should not be on whilst in external view, otherwise advantage - and we'd never get external view otherwise, it's the only way I see of convincing FDEV that there should be an external view
Yeah no... that stuff should not be on whilst in external view, otherwise advantage - and we'd never get external view otherwise, it's the only way I see of convincing FDEV that there should be an external view
That or them realising they might actually sell way more paintjobs and get more free PR with all the luscious vids people would make.. I can see the issue here, they want to be true to the first person concept.. Fine let us walk around in station then (though I suspect thats harder to implemement due to the space and walls clipping)
Best solution is just give us a 3-4 second fly by view.. Useless for fighting and only really shows you what you would know from spatial awareness anyway.
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BTW - I'm now officially on my knees begging FD to give us at least a cockpit/HUD'less screenshot feature. At least this would give us something until such time an external view might be available - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=113623
Wow! So you can tell now, what is just blasting you into pieces, while not being able to shoot back or maneuver properly... great advantage! Go back playing Call of Duty, seems to suite you better.
And again: if little kids pee their pants in fear of the almighty external view make it available in solo mode only.
No, they're called like for like; they're called demonstrative; they're also called "counters" very clearly in my text, so need-to-feel-bad alert called off. For me, anyway
It'll go on until we get external views - then we'll get a new threadnaught.
Mmm, for threadnought title there's just about 72 more pages to go.
We are on it... just wait a bit. Frontier is ignoring so people won't stop asking!
As external view in a space sim game is as essential as beam or particle weapon, the number of people wondering why they can't see their ship like in all the videos will steadily grow and grow...
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