ok i have to admit, there may be a problem

[[VR] Mad Mike]

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This will never end, stuff like this happens in real life. You don't know what someone feels/thinks/believes.

The world is a cruel and dangerous place, just like this game.

I think you nailed my feelings here........ I possibly just want the game to deal with it in a different way than you may. I look at this game as sort of trying to emulate the life of a ships captain in 1000 years time, and with that in mind all of the RP stuff SHOULD be allowed to happen..... and equally the game should attempt to treat the characters in a believable way complete with consequences.

once this happens I feel a lot of the bad feeling will end. you want to RP serial killer, then you can live the life of a serial killer.

too many people want to be able to go around clubbing anyone they like but at the same time not allowing the game to dish out their "rewards" for their actions.... And the people who feel this way are the pathetic ones imo, not the ones complaining about being ganked OR the ones who are happy for the game to treat them like the pariah they are (in game).

(For the record I feel the same way about NPCs, I would like them tweaked to better role play as well.... some do, but I think there are too many ish NPCs who attack ships with no bounty & no cargo..... even more stupid when they do it in an unshielded adder or worse, against my decked out asp or clipper )

 

[Ydiss]

That's pathetic, he's not crying about it he's raising an important point about things that could potentially drive much needed players (more importantly customers) away from the game !

Whilst I don't disagree this could have a negative effect on new players, ed is better equipped than many to allow them to avoid it without needing to stop playing.

Group and solo are valid options. They're there primarily for this reason. And the players in question could have joined Mobius or created a private group.

They opted to play in open and faced the potential consequences of that choice.

Whilst I agree with comments above that ed open isn't "pvp mode", it is the equivalent of an MMO "FFA pvp" server, in that anyone can attack anyone and for no necessary reason except for pvp.

I've joined those servers in other games. And when I got ganked I took it as part of the rule set. And made it my goal to "level up" and survive.

Some aren't predispositioned to enjoy that challenge. And that's fair enough. And they can still enjoy the game, in multi player, with a pve group.

And what's even better is it's not a server. They can switch to open when ready. No need to start a new character.

 

[Sandmann]

NPC'S do the exact same thing, the only difference here is because it's a player and apparently they should have morals.

Unfortunately some people don't.

That's a dodgy argument.. it's like saying we shouldn't get upset at mass murdering arsonists because tornadoes do the same thing. It's about motivation. The NPC is following a script and random chances, and also is subject to a matchmaking server. The player WANTED to decimate some noob who could barely fly in a circle. If Sarah Jane was programming AIs that flew around in buffed pythons and specifically targeted vanilla sidewinders with harmless rankings she'd lose her job.

 

[vizvayu]

As a clinical neuropsychologist I can tell you that 'this behavior' (meaning: shooting at people in a computer game) is in no way symptomatic of any disorder or psychiatric illness. You also may want to withhold judgement of others when you know nothing about them. Maybe this Python guy is a five-year old Hungarian girl who cannot chat in English and doesnt see the game as anything but a fancy space invaders pew-pew fest, for example. Would you call her 'insane'? You are ofcourse entitled to your opinion, but in this case you'd be wrong.

Fair enough. Point taken. However I'm not refering specifically to the person who killed the sidewinder in this thread. I'm refering to any individual who's main motivation is making other people feel bad (won't use the term griefing or the gakers will get crazy). I'm not really saying it was the case in this thread, but it may have been.

You may want to think this through a bit more as well. Hint: ask yourself what you'd rather have: a friend being shot in Call of Duty, or your friend being shot IRL. The difference is not 'just legal'. I doubt you'd think the guy playing Call of Duty is morally equivalent to the real-life murderer. The difference between ED and COD is that ED allows for more diverse playstyles, meaning that people can encounter each other while having very different ideas about what ED is. It can lead to situations where someone may feel a great injustice has been done whereas the other person thinks it was a great session. But calling someone who pew-pews your little spaceship with his little spaceship a real-life psychopathic insane murderer is... a little bit off. IMHO![/COLOR]

Maybe if this was an FPS, but it's not. And again, I'm not talking about actions here, I'm talking about motivation. And I'm not accusing anyone in particular.

 

[yyy]

Do some detective work, seek this python out and destroy. Then you won't need to feel disgusted and this python player will think twice before picking on smaller ships.

 

[Evil]

Allow me.

I feel the reason the PKers find it easy to do what they do is because they can farm freely in group or solo then move to open to PK.

Yup that's totally fine, PK's, PK Hunters, Bounty Hunters, Head Hunters, Privateers etc.. Or you could just say PvPer's.

 

[Razor Romero]

I've played since Beta Backing, last year, always in 'Open' and have not ONCE been hassled by another player. I really don't see what the problem is. The inhabited part of the Galaxy is very big, big enough to find somewhere that hardly anyone goes to. Just travel away from known pvp hotspots if you don't want danger, although, as has been said many, many times before - it's called Elite "Dangerous"...

 

[vizvayu]

Actually, while I really appreciate you being on the same page as me, that's not quite what I said. You can't call someone a psychopath in real life (or even infer that they probably have psychiatric disorders etc) from the way they play a game. The behaviour in question is disturbing but a single instance isn't even enough to say it's a an ongoing behaviour. It MAY be an aberration, mistaken identity, etc. I personally think (based on experience) that it was probably an intentional act but that's only an opinion and based solely on one person's description and previous experience here.

Either way though, as an in game behaviour it's fair to say the player was acting like a jerk and that their behaviour caused someone else's game to be less fun. A selfish act, at the very least.

Ok, I may have went a bit over the top. I apologise if anyone felt offended.
I was talking on a more abstract and generic way, not intending to accuse anyone in particular.

 

[SteveLaw]

Yup that's totally fine, PK's, PK Hunters, Bounty Hunters, Head Hunters, Privateers etc..

You're getting your terminology mixed up again.

 

[JosiahD]

I was fixing it to the correct terminology.

But sure if you want to call PvPers as griefers thats your prerogative (IMO, its wrong though), but that's based on your mental perspective/perception of video games and gameplay.

Well, for mine it's actually not a perspective on or perception of video games and gameplay but more correctly a perspective or perception of a group of PvP players who play them. The games themselves don't cause some to draw conclusions about PvPers but the actions of some of those players themselves do. Very easy to overgeneralise that behaviour though and tar everyone with the same brush - I prefer to think that PvPers in general are not gankers/griefers, but there ARE a subset of PvPers in any game who are obnoxious, arrogant and just plain scumbags, and rightly or wrongly give all PvPers a bad name as a result. But blame those types of players for that perception, not those who aren't interested in playing with them.

 

[SteveLaw]

it's called Elite "Dangerous"...

Yes, it's called "Elite:" Dangerous.

 

[dognosh]

I dont like whiners, i hate when people bang on and on about people killing u for no reason. i thought they might be exxaggerating becuase this was not my experience in the game.

however

i just convinced one of my steam friends to try this game. i decided to take him to a res and earn him some good cash tog et him started.

i instructed him to wait outside the RES so that i could go in and check it.becuase if it was a bad RES with low value pirates i could come out and go back in to reset it.

so there he is waiting outside combat rating harmless and sitting in a sidey.

im checking the res when he says to me oh ive been interdicted.

im coming i said and started leaving the res. he says dont worry this has happened before ill just warp off.

ok i think but i continue on toward him just in case.

he starts saying omg im dying. so i pick up the pace. cant find him in space. so i instructing him on how to activate a wingman nav beacon.

he activates it and i activate nav lock. eventually i get pulled out of SC.

and what do i find.

my friend in a harmless sidewinder. is being set upon by a player ina python.

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im in a python as well, fit for combat. i start to boost towards the enemy python opening fire as i do roughly 3km out.

i dont make it in and time my friend dies.

i was and still am absolutley disgusted.

i chased the enemy python into a nearby res. but he immediatley eneterd sc again. io followed but then got a proximity warning and dropped out of warp and lost him.

my friends and fellow CMDRs this behaviour is simply unacceptable.

there is no challenge no real victory in doing what the enemy CMDR in the python did. its like an adult picking on a child honestly.

it appauls me.

Totally disagree ! If your friend leaves ED it is your fault for not safely showing him the ropes in group mode.

 

[JosiahD]

This weeks dev update should be discussing these changes. We shall see what they are soon!

Indeed - looking forward to what the update's going to describe.....

 

[Evil]

You're getting your terminology mixed up again.

Better than getting your ideology mixed up

 

[FuzzySpider]

So, your friend got his worthless ship popped sitting outside of a RES.

That's pretty much your whole story huh? Riveting. How bout you act as a better wingman and help keep him safe? How bout he doesn't languish outside of a core system money making spot like a sitting duck?

How bout you suggest better ways for him to get in a better ship quicker? How bout you abandon a few tons of paladium so he can get in a Cobra?

There are options here other than coming on to the forums and complaining that your friend's feelings are hurt.

How about people stop behaving like sociopaths? Making excuses for pathetic people who can't discipline themselves enough to act reasonably isn't a strength, it's a serious weakness.

 

[SteveLaw]

Better than getting your ideology mixed up

Not mixed up, just wasted.

 

[Razor Romero]

My son asked me to play COD with him on the XBox the other day and I couldn't believe what happened! I got shot. Lots! Disgusting behaviour.

 

[Sandmann]

Ok, I may have went a bit over the top. I apologise if anyone felt offended.
I was talking on a more abstract and generic way, not intending to accuse anyone in particular.

Yup it's all good. It's quite possible that the player in question is a twisted, sick individual with a collection of axes who REALLY needs an intervention... but it's far more likely that it's a normal guy who had a bad day at work and was taking it out on someone else, or a sullen, angsty teenager who's annoyed at his mother and rebelling against the world, who'll grow up to be a perfectly normal chartered accountant.

 

[Evil]

My son asked me to play COD with him on the XBox the other day and I couldn't believe what happened! I got shot. Lots! Disgusting behaviour.

Yes its horrific, but its ok, you can respawn and have another go !

 

[FuzzySpider]

My son asked me to play COD with him on the XBox the other day and I couldn't believe what happened! I got shot. Lots! Disgusting behaviour.

This isn't CoD. CoD is a dedicated PvP game with PvP functionality such as matchmaker and balance.

Elite is a sealclubbers haven for people who simply can't compete in fair PvP encounters, thus need to heavily stack the odds in their own favour to stand a chance.