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Thank you Wishblend.

Here are three audio clips. One is EKURU A 1 from your capture. One is EKURU A 1 created from audio clips. One is NOT EKURU A 1 (although it's not hard to tell what it is).

I've deliberately not labelled them or put them in order. I personally think it's bloody obvious which ones are which, and which two match. Ergo, the created EKURU matches the real EKURU.

http://elite.darke.org.uk/sample_1.mp3


http://elite.darke.org.uk/sample_2.mp3


http://elite.darke.org.uk/sample_3.mp3
 
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I suggest downloading the Jmains letters(linked here ). and listen to them in a soud program with visualization. It helped me and I'm basicaly tone deaf and unable to get anything from the Twitch recordings.

So now we are saying it is a "highly styilized version of Morse", not actually Morse code. What is to stop me from making up my own "highly stylized" version, starting with the name of a system, and making it all fit the chittering? Sorry guys, the more I am reading into what you are doing the less convincing it is sounding. Why would FD invent a "highly styilized version of Morse", that is not really Morse in the first place, and second then expect people to be able to work it out? It flies in the face of the earlier points above.
 
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But maybe we have the Morse wrong - could it be ENTER AND WIN, and the Thargoids are offering us the chance of a lifetime in an intergalactic lottery?

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=143365

Edit: Page 8 and following of that thread have some of the reasons why folks thought it was not Morse code, most of which are meaningless to me, perhaps one of you understand them.

Edit 2: And SteveLaw's point on page 2 of that thread is a pretty good one also. Where is he these days? Has he given up on us?

Edit 3: And more on the earlier audio analysis and the inconclusiveness of it being Morse code: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=142912

So hopefully you can see now why I have my doubts still?

That first link you posted it's looking at the purrs not the chittering. The purrs are still a mystery to be solved, https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&p=2501166&viewfull=1#post2501166

Generally people feel it is not morse though, it may just be pseudo-random, nobody knows at this time.

The other link I've not gone through but I'm gonna assume the same.

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What were the results?

Well for me nothing, I had a hard time figuring the software out to be honest.
 
I've deliberately not labelled them or put them in order. I personally think it's bloody obvious which ones are which, and which two match. Ergo, the created EKURU matches the real EKURU.

Says the guy who can a) hear it, b) knows Morse code and c) believes in the "highly styilzed version" of Morse code. Bloody obvious to you maybe. ;-)
 
Has anyone run the sound files (.wav or .mp3 or whatever) through one of the several audio file to Morse code text converters that seem to be freely available online, like this one: http://jayakody2000lk.blogspot.ca/2014/04/audible-morse-code-to-text-message.html ?

That could be one way of independently confirming the findings outside of the game context...

I have tested with morse view. It is very hard to get the settings right because of the noice and the variable volume. I'm only able to get it to work on the individual letters.
There are probably better programs out there.
 
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Well for me nothing, I had a hard time figuring the software out to be honest.

Has anyone else tried to do this or had any success? One would think that even if it was "highly styilized" that one of these programs might show enough to prove things one way or the other? I am not a major techhead so my chances of getting one of those programs to work is likely the same as bitstorms, but I may give it a try tonight if I can find some .wav or .mp3 recordings of the UAs.

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That first link you posted it's looking at the purrs not the chittering.

I thought he said he was using the purrs as the separator for words in the first thread?
 
Edit 2: And SteveLaw's point on page 2 of that thread is a pretty good one also. Where is he these days? Has he given up on us?

I'm not sure his point holds much water though. An intelligent species could interpret our signals without knowing the underlying logic or origin, or language. It would certainly help to have an outside reference - a human "Rosetta Stone" if you like - which conveys the same message in another form and/or with additional context.

For instance, if they observed ships tend to transit a certain signal sequence (... _ _ _ ...) when in trouble, they could reasonably conclude this is a request for help, and thus have learned that phrase, perhaps without ever knowing that it consists of 3 distinct letters, or that does letters are S.O.S., or that those letters are not an acronym for anything. There's no reason they would have to be able to speak English (or, indeed, any human language) in order to communicate with us via Morse.

Still, I think we're nearing a dead-end, I don't think there's much in there other than maybe the nearest system. It's nothing to do with the above - it's much simpler. If you look at the incredibly buggy nature of the career progressions, and frequently broken mission text, and copy 'n' paste nebulae, and simplistic & repetitive gameplay - do you really think Frontier spent a lot of time hiding a complex puzzle in Morse in multiple broken soundbites in containers hidden around the Galaxy?

Don't get me wrong - I love the game. But I'm afraid we're putting a hell of a lot more time, effort and imagination into this enigma than Frontier are/have - so far at least.
 
Erm, your links all point to the first sample.

So after capturing the audio from Wishblend's Twitch stream, here's an unedited sample of chittering from it: https://www.dropbox.com/s/iuh75p72tj2skgi/chitter_ekuru_a_1-wishblend.wav?dl=0
You might want to amplify it to be able to compare better.

To recap, Jmanis' proposed letters and generated sound can be found here.
 
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Has anyone else tried to do this or had any success? One would think that even if it was "highly styilized" that one of these programs might show enough to prove things one way or the other? I am not a major techhead so my chances of getting one of those programs to work is likely the same as bitstorms, but I may give it a try tonight if I can find some .wav or .mp3 recordings of the UAs.

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I thought he said he was using the purrs as the separator for words in the first thread?

You've already admitted you're deaf and not technically adept; why not just leave these people to work it through ton a conclusion? All you're doing is acting like a really good set of breaks, with question after question.

I'm deaf too, but quite technically adept and I am just taking a back seat to watch quietly what happens with this scenario.
 
Has anyone else tried to do this or had any success? One would think that even if it was "highly styilized" that one of these programs might show enough to prove things one way or the other? I am not a major techhead so my chances of getting one of those programs to work is likely the same as bitstorms, but I may give it a try tonight if I can find some .wav or .mp3 recordings of the UAs.

There's a list of things tried on the wiki, I don;t have the link it's been posted a few times, but I think it's likely you wont find "tried morse software" on there.

The trouble with a list of what's been tried is it tends to prevent further attempts. Just because someone tried X doesn't mean someone else trying X wont be succesful.

It's one of those, if you come up with something by all means give it a go yourself, the more eyes the better.


I thought he said he was using the purrs as the separator for words in the first thread?

You're confusing me now!

Terminology is

Honk => chittering => purrs => repeat cycle

There's usually around 4-5 purrs.

The morse is in the chittering, the morse contains the whole local body name. The morse is the same every cycle, the purrs change across cycles.

I think a lot of folk have previously been focusing on the purrs.

Do you mean he's using the *honk* as the separator for words? There is rarely (but occassionally) any data between purrs.
 
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So now we are saying it is a "highly styilized version of Morse", not actually Morse code. What is to stop me from making up my own "highly stylized" version, starting with the name of a system, and making it all fit the chittering? Sorry guys, the more I am reading into what you are doing the less convincing it is sounding. Why would FD invent a "highly styilized version of Morse", that is not really Morse in the first place, and second then expect people to be able to work it out? It flies in the face of the earlier points above.

I don't even know what "highly styilized Morse" means. It's just noisy and bad quality morse to me.
 
Says the guy who can a) hear it, b) knows Morse code and c) believes in the "highly styilzed version" of Morse code. Bloody obvious to you maybe. ;-)

Puh-lease tell me you've listened to them first? I've gotta be honest, seeing as I mistakenly linked the same sample for all three, you should have called me out for "they all sound the same to me" at least.
 
Puh-lease tell me you've listened to them first? I've gotta be honest, seeing as I mistakenly linked the same sample for all three, you should have called me out for "they all sound the same to me" at least.

Puh-lease tell me you read the posts where I said my hearing is close to being deaf? And certainly tone-deaf.
 
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You've already admitted you're deaf and not technically adept; why not just leave these people to work it through ton a conclusion? All you're doing is acting like a really good set of breaks, with question after question.

I'm deaf too, but quite technically adept and I am just taking a back seat to watch quietly what happens with this scenario.


Good for you. I have been active quite a bit on this thread, if you don't like my posts, feel free to ignore them. My goal is for someone other than the people that found (created?) this "highly stylized version of Morse" where we made up some of our own letters and numbers, and reverse-engineered the solution we wanted, to try to independently confirm these findings. Especially given the number of past false starts and hoaxes, and the previous major effort of many highly-competent audio and software people looking at the same audio and dismissing Morse code for various reasons. Most of which seem to be being ignored here in favour of making up our own version of Morse code, and making the chittering fit what we want it to be. If you are happy with that, great. I find it less than convincing until independently verified somehow, by sound file to Morse text software, by a third-party without game context, or by FD in Galnet.
 
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I'd like to hear some more opinions on this. I've listened to the sample from Wishblend's stream I posted a short bit back, and also to QorbeQ's, but I'm not convinced the chittering matches with Jmanis' proposed version. Any others?
 
Thank you Wishblend.

Here are three audio clips. One is EKURU A 1 from your capture. One is EKURU A 1 created from audio clips. One is NOT EKURU A 1 (although it's not hard to tell what it is).

I've deliberately not labelled them or put them in order. I personally think it's bloody obvious which ones are which, and which two match. Ergo, the created EKURU matches the real EKURU.

http://elite.darke.org.uk/sample_1.mp3


http://elite.darke.org.uk/sample_2.mp3


http://elite.darke.org.uk/sample_3.mp3



All three of these link to `sample_1.mp3`. I manually visited the right URLs. Sample 1 & 2 sound alike to me, sample 3 seems to have a very different sound. But that was off a quick listen & distracted with work stuff.

Ha, ninja'd. Apologies.
 
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Just to move slightly off the morse topic for a second... I've been thinking... (uh oh)

I re-read the Galnet about the Soontill relics (relevant bit quoted below), and also yesterday's one [link] about the history of the Federation, and it got me thinking...

Jean Molyneaux, a historian from France, Earth, suggests we look back at our own past to determine the home of these relics. “Imagine an alien travelling back two thousand years into mankind’s past. The varied culture, arts and building materials of the Aztecs, Greeks, the Shang dynasty, what have you, the alien could think they were all different species, if that was his way of thinking…”

What if this isn't advanced alien technology at all, but an ancient (~1000 yr old) human scanner, a Mark I Discovery Scanner say, which the early frontier explorers used to find the first new worlds.... that might actually make the Morse theory more plausible...

Segue back to Morse theory complete..
 
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