Supercruise != hyperspace. A hyperspace jump is indeed a loading screen, but this has nothing to do with planetary landing.
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Supercruise != hyperspace. A hyperspace jump is indeed a loading screen, but this has nothing to do with planetary landing.
It will be instanced of course. No other way to do it or else you would have to have the fully modeled surface planet in the big galaxy at all times which would be ridiculous given that there could be several in your instance, NASA grade PC anyone?
There will be a drop out point and it will do the SC dropout screen like it is now with RES and stations and anything else that is currently a drop out point in game, only you will be in very high orbit and you will fly down to the surface.
I just hope that they make the SC drop out screen better after horizons, its to me the worst applied graphic in the game. I would sooner see some swirling gaseous like plasma vortex ahead of me during the dropout that disperses like you're dropping through it and dragging it with you a little which when the smoke clears you see where you are. Currently seeing the destination as a still in front of you with crap blue lines down the sides which then all goes off altogether to then see the destination is proper ropy to say the least.
For planetary landings on inhabited worlds the dropout as a fiery occlusion in front of you as though hitting the upper atmosphere which then breaks to reveal lush greenery, cloud tops or vast oceans below would be awesome.
I don't think the transition mechanic would make or break the purchasing deal for me though. In fact it hasn't as I've pre-ordered!
There will be a drop out point and it will do the SC dropout screen like it is now with RES and stations and anything else that is currently a drop out point in game, only you will be in very high orbit and you will fly down to the surface.
I just hope that they make the SC drop out screen better after horizons, its to me the worst applied graphic in the game. I would sooner see some swirling gaseous like plasma vortex ahead of me during the dropout that disperses like you're dropping through it and dragging it with you a little which when the smoke clears you see where you are. Currently seeing the destination as a still in front of you with crap blue lines down the sides which then all goes off altogether to then see the destination is proper ropy to say the least.
For planetary landings on inhabited worlds the dropout as a fiery occlusion in front of you as though hitting the upper atmosphere which then breaks to reveal lush greenery, cloud tops or vast oceans below would be awesome.
I don't think the transition mechanic would make or break the purchasing deal for me though. In fact it hasn't as I've pre-ordered!
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Yeah - I knew what I meant: corrected one, saw your post, corrected the other reference.
However my meaning still stands in reference to Tinman. The galaxy is not 1 large box but 400,000,000,000 boxes connected by Hyperspace.
SC --> Normal is a loading screen - it's not seemless; nor is Normal --> SC (you need to transition to another frame reference) They might have added some special FX whilst the game does some connections in the background but for me that's a transition.
Planetary landing might be seemless I don't know ... but if the rest of the game is anything to go by I doubt it.
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That was just to make a short video - surely?
ETA - FWIW my money is on it being seamless - we'll hear this afternoon no doubt on the 1500 livestream - can't imagine this won't be asked..
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Just like the promo video for ED .. 180 degree turns and high speed scoops
At any rate - I did like the video and I am looking forward to seeing how they do PL (the concept itself is not for me, but from a technical standpoint I am excited)
Ok, to be clear. The space inside a star system is "real". There is a loading screen when switching star systems (obviously). The same thing was true in Elite and Frontier/FFE.
When you enter supercruise you aren't "switching a level"...you are simply disconnecting from the players/NPCs in normal space and connecting to NPCs/players in supercruise. The gameworld itself is the same.
Just like the promo video for ED .. 180 degree turns and high speed scoops
At any rate - I did like the video and I am looking forward to seeing how they do PL (the concept itself is not for me, but from a technical standpoint I am excited)
You mean you can't do a 180 like that? Scoffs.
Lol, you have been Rydered....and dont call me Shirley.
a) Agreed
b) Sooo ... it's a transition then. The frame of reference changes so you transitioned from normal to SC and back. You can do this without an obvious loading screen (like Hyperspace) but there's still a transition screen (the countdown is a change screen; the blueish SFX tint as you come to normal is a change screen)*
Symantics maybe .. but at least we agree on the first part
*To give you specific examples:
When you watch someone supercruise away you see them warp off & when you warp to a station and supercriuse to normal you see it expand before you : that's a transition FX screen for you using reference points from the new space to draw it for you. Why do I think this ? Watch when you have someone in front of you and you hit supercruise - you don't see them suddenly shoot behind you ... it's not seamless .. it's a fudge (one which I like I add - this is not meant to be a "its bad" post but rather "this is behind the curtain" post .. I still like the transition)
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Hopefully they work on that loading screen a bit more in this of the CQC update. There's so much effort to make the entry into Supercruise nice, but exiting it the rings disappear and pop the station is just there- just a little bit of animation or something to come back out of it (as space folds back etc) would add to the illusion IMO
I hope they will clear up whether it is seamless or a cutscene before it goes on sale because a cutscene imho drastically reduces the immersion and quality of the entire experience.
Now luckily in previous Elites' Braben went for seamless. I do remember in Frontier 2 landing on planets and taking off and basically just going full thrusters until you broke the atmosphere.
So just to be clear ill be pretty * off if it is a cutscene because that to my opinion is a massive cop-out and cheap way to do planetary landings.
I am hoping that there will be gravitational forces that exert their power on the ship and pull it into the atmosphere (the effect and power varying depending on your ship size and power etc) I also hope each planet will have its own different atmospheric effects based on the type of planet so each landing feels unique
[video=youtube;vAnVlDeFYNs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAnVlDeFYNs[/video]
[video=youtube;3Y3XG0Shdhw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3XG0Shdhw[/video]
^ just a couple of ideas of what im hoping for... landing and taking off from a planet should be an experience not a cutscene
Now luckily in previous Elites' Braben went for seamless. I do remember in Frontier 2 landing on planets and taking off and basically just going full thrusters until you broke the atmosphere.
So just to be clear ill be pretty * off if it is a cutscene because that to my opinion is a massive cop-out and cheap way to do planetary landings.
I am hoping that there will be gravitational forces that exert their power on the ship and pull it into the atmosphere (the effect and power varying depending on your ship size and power etc) I also hope each planet will have its own different atmospheric effects based on the type of planet so each landing feels unique
[video=youtube;vAnVlDeFYNs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAnVlDeFYNs[/video]
[video=youtube;3Y3XG0Shdhw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3XG0Shdhw[/video]
^ just a couple of ideas of what im hoping for... landing and taking off from a planet should be an experience not a cutscene
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No Man's Sky seems to do it. You can fake a lot of things with LOS and other magicks.
This is VERY incorrect, procedurally generated planets can LOD in as you get closer , look at the Infinity stuff from 5 years ago to see how possible seamless planetary landings are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrcEUO7TC28
If FD can't pull off something at least as good as this 5 year old tech that was done by one guy I'll be pretty disappointed.
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Also planets are to be procedural created, and each one different, so is this going to be same as NMS, meaning first finders get it created and then it is the same for all.
It is hard to see how it could be more simple than dropping out of supercruise for a spaceport: and that has a seam. Indeed, for an airrless moon, I see no reason why it would be different from dropping at a spaceport, other than how far away from the surface you drop: obviously you don't want a 30 minute normal flight to the surface.
However, it is possible they could hide this by doing some sort of 'look ahead' to do the handshaking in advance in anticipation. But if we are able to fight over depots on the ground and in flight, then there must be multiple players in something reasonably similar to an instance. And you must be able to join an existing instance, if there is a player on the ground, and you fly down.
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Seamless STILL makes no sense when you are transitioning flight modes between things as different as normal flight and 'faffing about with space time'. It's like saying you want a seamless transition between a plane and a train.