Can we all Cheer up please?

[Ian Skippy]

TLDR : don't feed trolls.

Yeah, thats easy for you to say, with your functioning frontal lobe!

 

[Sole Hunter]

but the game is buggy and boring I know it's hard to accept but that's just the reality....that just goes to show I spend more time on these forums than actually playing the game if the game was good i wouldnt be here talking about it.

 

[Ian Skippy]

but the game is buggy and boring I know it's hard to accept but that's just the reality....that just goes to show I spend more time on these forums than actually playing the game.

Lets try it with a picture, I've been told it works great on Facebook.

And for the record, there are many, many things I find hard to accept. You believing a specific computer game is boring ain't one of them.

 

[Jaeger]

The only 'grind' is the one you impose upon yourself!

That's very true... sadly the other option is play something else. ED is not the place to spend your time.

 

[Jex =TE=]

Wider is deeper .. if you can mix up what you do.

Example again; this week I'm in a civil war .. next week I might go mining, week after that some exploring, after that a CG, after that some piracy in powerplay, after that rares trading, after that bounty hunting, after that some missions, after that BASE jumping in SRV .. ?

All demonstrably shallow experiences. More things to do does not equal deep.

 

[Jex =TE=]

I do not care for the 10 year plan ... That simply sets the stall out for what to expect in the future.

I care what they have produced today.

In those 2 years what we have is shallow and boring (to me).

Very repetitive, very unrewarding, but stunning to look at and freakingly good to listen to.

YMMV.

You mean in 4/5 years since there was a time it was in development.

 

[VR Golgot]

Indeed, honestly its probably better for the 2 "sides" to ignore each other at this point, Those who are happy with ED and those who want to call for change just don't agree and they're not going to convince each other that they're right, it would be nice if they could leave each other to discuss their position among like minded individuals but what are the chances of that happening

I think as you intimate with your quotes the 'sides' aren't that clearly drawn.

I fall into the love/hate category, and I think a lot of us do. I love some core aspects of the game and have massive issues with the rest, mainly the tumbleweed, scattergun reality of the content rollout. I've probably spent well over 50% of ED's lifespan adamantly not playing it due to those issues.

It seems to inspire different behaviours in different folk though. For me this plays out as a constant desire to contest those who make stuff up when criticising the game. I don't know if it's because I spend so long investigating where (and when) the game might go, or because I think there's enough that's annoying already that we don't need to invent new stuff

For you it plays out as a flipside slamming on those living in a loose dream of future content, and those who actively avoid constructive crit of current gaps.

I'm sure in some Yin-Yang way we're achieving something positive occasionally

 

[PiLhEaD]

Well, I for one, like Roman numerals.

 

[VR Golgot]

Well, I for one, like Roman numerals.

X/X, would read again

 

[Jex =TE=]

Go on just about any game forum and you'll have people moaning about every little thing to do with the game.

I quite enjoy those threads because it makes it easier to find people to add to my mute list.

Yes because muting people who disagree with you is a great way to go through your life.

Don't worry, I already muted you first!

 

[Jex =TE=]

With NMS's near infinite universe what makes you think you'll ever see other players and have PvP action? Most of the action seems to come from security drones mysteriously already everywhere - we know vritually nothing about outfitting/combat/piracy/etc in NMS

All I've seen are statements that it's primarily single player but you can choose to enter an arena mode.

Procedurally generated universes that are so big they span into the billions are ridiculous from a game point of view, especially a MP game. It could be done if you had a solid core of systems that were hand made (much like SC is doing). This would make the core systems much more interesting as they could put anything they wanted in.

Setting the game on our own galaxy means they're restricted. They can't just put a nebula a few light years from earth for example and the limits of what you can fit into the game make it a boring sterile place. Just look at how much the ED galaxy is nothing like our own - most of it is just made up or missing.

I never understood why devs boast about PG when it comes to infinite anything and NMS it's pointless, entirely pointless because nobody can explore infinite.

 

[frostypaw]

Just look at how much the ED galaxy is nothing like our own - most of it is just made up or missing.

I get the rest, but is it?

Made up, but along lines that match observation and experiments so not unreasonable - and there's huge numbers of real world objects to visit

 

[Jex =TE=]

Without going into what I would normally explain as an "Educated long winded rant about how much I disagree; and why you are misleading the discussion" , I just point out a relate-able scenario. ( It's probably going to be long winded )

Blizzard had a "10 year plan" for Diablo 3 when It was being developed and released.
They gutted the game during its first beta.
The playerbase was filled with "negative forum posts"
"It's okay guys, it's just the early stages of the game"

They backpedaled...hard. 2 solid years of realizing you don't design a game to be finished in 10 years, let alone 2 years.
All the points made about what the company would or wouldn't do to the game, they "humbly" folded their cards.

As of now, the game has gone in the "righter" direction, putting more emphasis on what the players "need" and want, over profit margins.
That being said, they are still a corporation, and have enough ego to fill a small US state; so the game and development is still plagued with repeated mistakes.
It's also filled with the same "have" and "have not" forum posts, including from the company itself, because it's starting to edge back into thinking it knows best....that 10 year plan coming to fruition.
There is an abundance of players who feel "appreciative" for what they have now, and also fearful that it could be taken away on a whim if Blizzard gets mad.

These are the types of folks that diminish progress / fairness, and allow for repeated mistakes in development. They forget that even game companies work for us, not the other way around, just like consumerism in the real world. One should not tread lightly in fear of retaliation, nor should they praise whatever is laid before them as if it is a rare commodity.

One does not have to be "cheery" to enjoy something, but one must have been dreary to know if it is enjoyable.
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On the topic of the quoted text above itself and its intent, I would suggest that people refrain from presuming that the game is just "going to get better" as the year goes by; or that it's going to take 8 more years before we can appreciate the scope and depth of what is in store of the game. That's a classic "long con" and/or risky investment / excuse. It's why investors don't call themselves Bond Buyers. It's also misleading to say that at any point we are "just paying for the base game", or that there has been "a few bugs". If the game needs 10 years for it to be 'adequate" enough for criticism ...then we are most certainly paying the lion's share of this deal; and those that keep forking over money every year are needlessly throwing money into the wind. To that extent, their business model and ethics are held to question, and the whole premise unravels.

Let's just call like it is. A game that's asking for your money year on end, still "in development", and requesting that you excuse everything until its done in the next 8 years.

Personally, I'm still waiting for last years "season" of the game to finally get finished. But that's naive, because they moved on to Horizons. So in my case, and others, the game is actually never going to complete. As is the cliche way of game development; and testimony to their business plan.

Great post.

There is also the issue of people that bought the first release of the game and didn't buy season 2. What's going on with our full release of the game? I thought it was fully released but yet I'm dealing with a ton of bugs they've introduced into a game I never bought into. Why is my game going to take 10 years to complete when they already fully released it? Why are the place holders called USS's still in the game.

It's obvious to see the nonsense once you think about it. They rushed the release because they just had to get that 30 years release for some pompous reason. It might mean something to you that you release 3650 says after your first release of your game but what an embarrassment to release what you did! Just so you could rush it and get it into a 30 year later release day and give us what we got?

So what have we got here. Well, season 1 players just bought season one they're not buying S2 so what's going on with our game?

S2 players who don't buy into S3 - well, be prepared to have your game ruined and broken when you already paid for your "full release of the game" as S3 gets developed and we have 2 player groups now being shafted. It gets worse as the seasons go on (and this is never going on 10 years).

Anyone calling this game a "full release" is insurmountably wrong. It's an early access alpha that we all paid huge sums of money to join. How come ED have over $84 Million and have the bare bones they have in now and then people here criticise Star Citizen with their $96 million LMAO - At least they're still in Alpha and have the balls to admit it!

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From their website:
"8 Comm Array missions involving dogfighting and EVA, 8 Research missions involving protecting civilians or recovering lost data and 1 Exploration mission of an abandoned station."

Go place, shoot stuff, go out and scan thing. Go place shoot stuff that's shooting at other stuff, scan thing. Go place, scan thing?

The SC admirants confuse me. We have more mission types than that in Elite and they combine most of those elements and many more. For every SC mission with a story hanging off it Elite has a huge story arc with missions hanging off it. Your actions influence a huge BGS spanning thousands of systems and a story that spans a galaxy, not one section called the Coil. But because the story isn't centred around you the mountain Will Not come to Mohammed and that is a stumbling block for a lot of people

"Your actions barely influence a huge BGS spanning thousands of systems"

FIFY

 

[smiths121]

Some people really are not gonna cheer up. I really hope SC comes along soon as many are unlikely to buy S2 or S3, so the best thing from my point of view is that SC rocks and those ar enot investing any further move ship.

Cheers
Simon

 

[Jex =TE=]

There's nothing wrong with the game. I have some small issues with the graphics, but the game is solid. The problem is that people want something that the game was not intended to provide - i.e., a story, with handholding throughout. .

You should be embarrassed for even attempting to use this absolute nonsense of an argument around here. Find one person asking for hand holding or a story? Did you not even read any of the, literally, 1000's of post pointing out the massive flaws in this "game". Shame on you.

 

[frostypaw]

You should be embarrassed for even attempting to use this absolute nonsense of an argument around here. Find one person asking for hand holding or a story? Did you not even read any of the, literally, 1000's of post pointing out the massive flaws in this "game". Shame on you.

Actually there's a huge number of them - everyone wanting to find amazing things themselves all the time or saying there's nothing to do when they've barely been on a single explore and they don't even know about the other plots and stories to investigate. It's there, so their complaint about content is not lack of it but that it's not turning up at their door

There are other complaints too, but this is the majority.

 

[Jex =TE=]

I couldnt agree more. It seems most want a linear scripted story line, go here and there etc. Thank goodness this game is not like that. That it is so unbelievably open and infinite as you say. A story would not allow this space simulator, (which is what it is, not a game), to be what it is.

Again with this nonsense - shame on you for parroting something as idiotic as this.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Not sounding too cheerful there.

 

[Jex =TE=]

Everytime I make a negative post about this company and about this game I get people who like the game and the company, hell even people who simply disagree with my statments and spread their postivity on my posts. EVERY TIME.

This!

 

[Derath]

Forums are always exceedingly dank because satisfied players don't post, but that doesn't make the whiners wrong it all depends if they have a point or not. Many of the people that are regular whiners here do so for two reasons.

Nothing really changes and they genuinely care.

I don't think thats a bad thing, the players that really care are the ones that support the game the longest.